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On 4/22/2024 at 10:58 AM, Mongo3451 said:
That's a tad critical for me. My full expectation, keeping Justin, was to win ten games. Now, that we will have Caleb pulling the trigger, I expect a little less. Growing pains, regardless of talent, definitely happen. However, I'm expecting 12-13 wins next year, even with our division being on the rise.
Perhaps, but if we all expected Fields to take another step and lead the team to ~10 wins, then replacing him means we should expect more. Otherwise, replacing him doesn't make sense. The word generational is thrown around a lot, and the rookie expectation is now incredibly high because of Stroud. As a result, Williams needs to be an improvement.
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On 4/22/2024 at 8:13 AM, Stinger226 said:
. Jenkins is all pro when he plays. Averages 4 missed games a year. Nate Davis has a history of above average play. His mom died and he bombed the season. I fully expect him to get back to his usual play. He brought in Bates and Shelton that are both considered back up OGs. Are they great, no but gives better depth than last year.
I think he drafts a center and depending on who will back up Bates. JPJ or Frasier may even start.
So when I made that statement , it was taking in consideration of our existing roster. Our OGs are not going to suck.
Now 3 #1 WRs allows the QB to get the ball out quicker so the OL doesn't have to be great.That is also one of the strength of this QB, quick decisions and quick release.
A DE paired with Sweat will increase our sacks and TOs that helps any offense with field position and game changing plays. We were last in sacks last year and led the league in interceptions. Just imagine our pass rush just being average and what that produces.
We disagree. Great WRs don't always allow a QB to release quicker.
Where are you getting this? By nearly all accounts, the problem with Williams is the same as Fields: he holds the ball too long. His release is quick, but his decisions are not.
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4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
For sure. I agree he will outplay Fields' performance last year, and should have an impact similar to Strouds. 9 wins is just half a game above the vegas line, so that doesnt seem to much either.
I read jason to say that if he isnt a generational NFL QB right out of the gate, that he wouldnt accept any excuses. And that seems strange to me since Williams will be a rookie - a really GOOD rookie, but a rookie.
I expect to see what a future champion QB who will win multiple superbowls should look like as a rookie.
We did not call for Justin's head in his rookie year, we understood his predicament in year 2. The judgement came in year 3.For being so hyped and “generational,” for throwing away Fields, there js zero doubt that Williams better produce immediately. And ten wins is a must. Without each, it’s a disappointment.
Williams doesn’t have to go for 4K and 30TDs, but for the drastic turn this franchise is about to take, there is VERY little room for excuses.
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8 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
If they drafted all oline I would understand that but Poles isn't going to do that. If Alt drops to 9 , BPA logic tells you to take him but I don't think that will happen.
Poles is not drafting a OG at 9, you can make all kinds of scenarios for it. A WR or DE will have more of an impact than a guard,now if he moves back to the teens then I think JPJ is more in play than a OG. It was the worst in the league last year and JPJ is probably future pro bowl.
The guards this year is not going to be a problem. If Jenkins has injury issues again he brought in competent backups, Bates or Shelton fills the spot. Matt Pryor can play there to. Davis will not be a problem, last year was unique because his mother died while living with him.
So realistically Odunze or trade back and opens other possibilities. If 3 #1 WRS are on the field Caleb will not need 4 seconds to get a throw off. I think average in the league last year was 2.47 seconds to get a pass off.
The bolded is where I take issue.
I’m 100% convinced that a WR does not have as big an impact when the OGs suck, but an OG can still have great impact when the WRs are dropping the ball. It’s chicken and egg stuff. Similarly, a great OL gives the QB time to throw, and even average WRS get open in the NFL if given enough time.
DE? Sure, maybe, but I don’t want defense. I want the Bears to transition into an offensive franchise…which is also what I said, and didn’t happen, with Trubisky or Fields.
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1 minute ago, BearFan PHX said:
lol Williams, but yes!
LOL. Freudian slip. Probably because they never did for Fields what they should do for Williams.
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On 4/18/2024 at 1:14 PM, Connorbear said:
If Marvin Harrison Jr. falls to 5, would you trade the #9 pick and our first round pick next year to move up and draft him?
Peace
No. The Bears can go without a 1st round WR with other holes to fill and a draft deep in WRs.
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On 4/17/2024 at 12:42 PM, Mongo3451 said:
I'm drafting him to be an OG, since I don't trust any of our guards. He would be an absolute animal next to Wright. Let Davis and Jenkins battle it out. Since Waldron runs a lot of two and three TE sets, strength up the middle is more useful. (Kinda like Sean Peyton runs) I've been criticized for drafting him so high to be OG, but where would you draft Larry Allen if you thought he would be that dude?
I’m 100% fine with drafting what you believe to be an all pro OG in the first round.
I pay car, property, and life insurance. Same concept. You get insurance for the things that are most important. And if the insurance costs more than you’d like, you accept that since it protects the thing that’s actually important, and worth FAR more than what you’re paying on insurance.
If Fuaga comes into camp with cauliflower ears, a neck as thick as his head, and a willingness to bite off an opponent’s testicles to save Williams, then IDGAF that an OG is drafted in the first.
The message should be universal:
PROTECT WILLIAMS (not Fields) AT ALL COSTS
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3 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
I recall Caleb saying he played HS ball with Penn St LT Olum Fashanu. I wouldn't be shocked to hear his name called if the draft fell a certain way.
I would LOOOOOVE that. The Bears need to protect Williams at all cost. OL must be addressed EVERY SINGLE YEAR until he’s virtually untouchable.
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22 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
If you have a GENERATIONAL QB , you have to have higher expectations. 10 is the minimum. We have the forth easiest schedule in the league. A good OC will call plays to make the QB succeed. Getsy didn't do that last year, it was system system system.
Agree. I don’t want to hear any BS about being a rookie since he’s so generational and far superior to everyone else in the draft. Furthermore, you don’t drop Fields for 50 cents on the dollar when he showed significant improvement despite being on an offense with several noticeable holes, UNLESS the guy you’re getting is a drastic improvement.
Add in the changes and improvement, as well as another first round impact player, and anything less then 10 wins is a disappointment.
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This is why the Bears should draft all offense this year. Focus absolutely everything on protecting the franchise player and providing him with superior weapons.
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On 4/9/2024 at 6:08 AM, ASHKUM BEAR said:
The o line had weaknesses and they basically had only one WR that could be counted on besides Kmet. When the oline consistently gets pushed into the pocket, the QB is pressured and scrambled. Is Center addressed with Bates an Co., we will see. Can the LT take on strength and bull rushes, we will see. Is Keenen Allen enough to give the QB 2 targets for the season...
Preach. The OL sucked and there was only one pro WR. I’m tired of people acting like one move is enough for the offense to succeed. There needs to be a perpetual, yearly attempt to improve on offense, to make the franchise player as comfortable as possible, to give him the best OL and WRs in the NFL.
Anything else is putting donut tires on a Lambo.
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On 4/9/2024 at 12:13 AM, Stinger226 said:
He drafted a OT at 10 last year plus added D J Moore plus Tyler Scott in the draft. Signed Nate Davis at OG.
What does the third year in a row thing mean?
Third “time” in a row.
They didn’t go all in with Trubisky, and Trubisky was a bust.
They didn’t focus on offense with Fields, and he never reached potential.
If they don’t transform the organization from a defensive-minded franchise to an offensive-minded franchise, where they focus on offense like Lovie focused on his drafting safeties, then Williams or any other rookie QB will be a bust.
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Honestly, at this point if the Bears aren’t focusing 99.99% of the draft on protecting Williams and providing him with weapons, then it’s going to be the same thing for the third time in a row.
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2 hours ago, adam said:
What it comes down to is their own internal evaluation of Justin. If they didn't think he could improve enough to pay him, and based on the compensation, 31 other teams felt the same way, then what can Poles do?
There would've been way too much drama in the locker room and with the fanbase, so this is an unfortunate set of circumstances.
I don’t think I believe that. I think it has more to do with Poles getting “his guy,” and not the guy from the previous regime. Or probably it’s about finances? Or maybe even the whole Williams is a “can’t miss, generational”-prospect (which I don’t believe). We also don’t know what other teams contacted the Bears, but there is no way he’s thought of lower than some of the scrubs who have been signed.
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Hell no. Calm down Kevin Costner.
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Horrible value. Better to keep him as insurance, and see if the new QB can beat him out.
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3 hours ago, dawhizz said:
The only thing that doesn't fit is that it's looking like a bad year for QBs in the draft next year. Unless you think Dak or Trevor Lawrence are going to be free agents, or someone unexpected balls out in college, what is the solution at QB if Fields isn't it? Draft picks are great, but if no one will trade you a franchise QB, and the draft isn't great at QB, what do you do?
I don’t buy that. All the draft pundits change their minds after getting their panties moist during the regular season. By the end of the year they’ll have 3-4 they think are “sure fire starters,” and maybe one that’s a “generational talent.”
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My opinion on this is, it paints a pretty clear picture that Fields stays as QB.
- Allen counts for $23M against the cap (correct me if wrong)
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Guess who's an UFA after 2024?
- Keenan Allen
- Teven Jenkins
- Larry Borom
- Khari Blasingame
- Fields has one more year under rookie numbers before a huge payday
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After the trade the Bears have FOUR PICKS in the 2024 draft, which doesn't fit Poles' message of building through the draft
- 1.1
- 1.9
- 3.75
- 4.124
Everything above points to a make-or-break year for Fields in 2024, where they'll trade the #1 pick, acquire more than 4 measly picks, load up on talent, likely add starters at OL and WR, then say to Fields, "Time for you to earn your next contract and take us deep into the playoffs."
If Fields fails, then the draft talent is there in 2025 with a year of experience, Keenan Allen's money is off the books, they'll have extra picks from this year's trade, at least the offensive side of the ball is wiped clean, and it'll be time for the inevitably new coaching staff to draft for their future.
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On 3/11/2024 at 8:11 PM, killakrzydav said:
I guess I would rapey Washington for 2, 36, 40, & 67
YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS
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On 3/11/2024 at 3:53 PM, BearFan PHX said:
I totally understand you, and you and i both agree on things like how important a good OL is etc. We really are aligned on that.
The only difference we have is that I think it's all exhibition unless you have that world beater QB. I think without one, you can be a playoff team, and possibly sneak into a superbowl victory with a lot of luck, mostly relating to the leagues world beater QB not making it that year, but unless youve got that guy at QB, you're not realistically in the hunt.
And I think most years there just isnt one available. And every now and then one does come along, and usually your team isn't in position to get them.
But right now, we have a shot at one. Now I cant say he IS one of course, i agree with you again there, but I think he has a good chance to be one, and so you gotta take a swing at it.
None of that defeats anything you say about building a roster either, although I think Poles is well on his way to that, and by September you might even be happy with the state of the offensive roster too. I expect another free agent OL, and either a stud LT or a stud WR (or Bowers) with the #9 pick. probably an interior rookie OL to compete with what we've got too.
We added a running back today too, so the 2024 Bears QB should have a lot of support.That’s all fair, but I just don’t think it’s a sure enough bet to go for Williams. He has numerous red flags, his teammates apparently didn’t like him, he was significantly worse against good competition, he held the ball longer than Fields, his teams didn’t win in a weak ass PAC12, he often ignores his check downs for home run balls, multiple people think the LSU kid is better, the “experts” and “pundits” aren’t in unison on him, and I hate the idea of starting over yet again.
Mark my words: If the Bears draft Williams, the overall team morale will suffer because the locker room wants Fields (shades of Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson), his development will be hampered by a horrible pass-blocking OL, he will underperform, the HC will get fired, they’ll burn through a window where FA talent wants to come to Chicago, that will lead to a drop in team quality, and the Bears will be back in this same position in 2027.
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19 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
THIS
Neither of our scenarios is guaranteed.
You increase odds by creating a good team that consistently makes the playoffs and threatens for the SB every year. It’s more realistic to build a team, create the culture, sustain excellence, and get to the big dance a few times a decade if you’re lucky.
Otherwise you’re making “very good” the enemy of “perfect,” and ruining a good team every 4 years in search of virtually unattainable perfection.
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27 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
the problem is that its a recipe for mediocrity.
youre saying instead of swinging for a big win, you want to swing a bunch of smaller times, some will miss and some will hit - so you have a better chance of not losing it all, but you also have a lesser chance of winning big.
It's like buying every lottery ticket, you cant lose, but you spent so much to buy them all that you dont win either.
When you take all the risk out, you end up with a more likely middle outcome.
We have a shot at a top QB, which is everything int he NFL, and because it's not a 100% shot, you want to buy insurance and lose a chance at winning.
So the question is, in the NFL, is it better to reliably go 9-8, or is it better to try to win a superbowl?Disagree. You’re making it like there is one lottery ticket. The #1 might be the Powerball winner, but the odds aren’t great. Having multiple tickets increases the odds of hitting that Powerball. And even if you don’t hit the Powerball, which is extremely rare anyway, having multiple tickets increases the odds of getting a few of those million dollar tickets. Several of the million dollar tickets can deliver the win.
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3 hours ago, Lucky Luciano said:
there are 38 numbers to play. every single number you play (no black/red even/odd) has the exact same chance to win.
just because you would play 5 numbers doesn't make each number a better odd to win.
Your analogy is understood, but not ideal. More picks means more chance at success. It’s fact. Take it to the extreme and give a team every first round pick. They’d certainly have several successes and some busts. But if 10 first round picks every year are all pros, odds are better of getting one if you have more picks.
Would you?
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1000%.
Besides, I'd rather do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to make Caleb Williams happy and comfortable. I think he'd much rather see OL at #9, and his security blanket Brenden Rice in the 3rd.