I already hate the Bears 2017 draft

[jason]

Unless a trade happens, I see the draft sucking.

 

In my opinion, the Bears need serious upgrades at QB, OT, CB, S, DE in no specific order.

 

QB - Cutler is done. The only one I want at #4 is Kizer, and that's even questionable for me. The others, particularly Trubinsky, would be a huge reach that early.

OT - No top 4 guys there. The best guy is either Cam Robinson or Mike McGlinchey, and they're more mid-1st kind of guys. Around #10 at the highest.

CB - The Bears have a bunch of maybes at CB right now. But I don't think Marlon Humphrey or Marshaun Lattimore are worth of #4.

S - No doubt the Bears need a Safety, maybe both. But is Jamal Adams or Jabrill Peppers that good? They're more late-1st in my opinion.

DE - Unrein is not the answer. I like his motor, but he's a backup. Bullard is unknown. Unfortunately, Myles Garrett will be gone, and Jonathan Allen is more 4-3 interior guy.

 

Let's hope for a trade down.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Unless a trade happens, I see the draft sucking. In my opinion, the Bears need serious upgrades at QB, OT, CB, S, DE in no specific order. QB - Cutler is done. The only one I want at #4 is Kizer, and that's even questionable for me. The others, particularly Trubinsky, would be a huge reach that early. OT - No top 4 guys there. The best guy is either Cam Robinson or Mike McGlinchey, and they're more mid-1st kind of guys. Around #10 at the highest. CB - The Bears have a bunch of maybes at CB right now. But I don't think Marlon Humphrey or Marshaun Lattimore are worth of #4. S - No doubt the Bears need a Safety, maybe both. But is Jamal Adams or Jabrill Peppers that good? They're more late-1st in my opinion. DE - Unrein is not the answer. I like his motor, but he's a backup. Bullard is unknown. Unfortunately, Myles Garrett will be gone, and Jonathan Allen is more 4-3 interior guy. Let's hope for a trade down.

Ever notice every draft seems to suck with our projected slot position?

 

 

(1) QB should be taken with our first, Pace supposedly tried trading to get Mariotta and Wentz the past drafts. He seems to be on target for the right guys. Peppers, Garrett, or my 3-4 DE guy Malik McDowell are worth consideration but drafting QB has to be the main priority. I prefer Kizer's measurables.

 

(2) CB - The Bears may get lucky and have a RD1 talent slide here: Desmond King, Sidney Jones, Adoree' Jackson

 

(3) OT - I like Chad Wheeler for the type of system the Bears want to run. Wheeler is nasty and can move. He should be available in late RD2 or 3, our #2 will be a little high for him IMO

 

(4) OT - I would double up on OT's and take the best RT prospect

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

['TD']

Unless a trade happens, I see the draft sucking.

 

In my opinion, the Bears need serious upgrades at QB, OT, CB, S, DE in no specific order.

 

QB - Cutler is done. The only one I want at #4 is Kizer, and that's even questionable for me. The others, particularly Trubinsky, would be a huge reach that early.

OT - No top 4 guys there. The best guy is either Cam Robinson or Mike McGlinchey, and they're more mid-1st kind of guys. Around #10 at the highest.

CB - The Bears have a bunch of maybes at CB right now. But I don't think Marlon Humphrey or Marshaun Lattimore are worth of #4.

S - No doubt the Bears need a Safety, maybe both. But is Jamal Adams or Jabrill Peppers that good? They're more late-1st in my opinion.

DE - Unrein is not the answer. I like his motor, but he's a backup. Bullard is unknown. Unfortunately, Myles Garrett will be gone, and Jonathan Allen is more 4-3 interior guy.

 

Let's hope for a trade down.

Those are the major needs I said they needed last year, minus DE, and they weren't addressed appropriately and a major reason I hated the 2016 draft. GM is the #1 pre-draft need imho.

[Connorbear]

It's way too early to judge this. Let's wait to see where they are actually picking.

 

Peace

 

[jason]

It's way too early to judge this. Let's wait to see where they are actually picking.

 

Peace

 

I don't think so. There is every indication this team will have a top-5 pick.

[adam]

We are pretty much a lock for the top 5.

 

I think you go QB if the one you want is there (and you know won't be there in the 30's). If they are gone, then you either go BPA or try to move down into the middle of the 1st and get some extra picks.

[Alaskan Grizzly]

I don't think so. There is every indication this team will have a top-5 pick.

 

We all know what you're hoping for. Lol

 

But seriously you said you don't see any potential for OLine? I only ask cause I know your affinity for them. Usually Alabama is good for one or two potential starters or God forbid, another Duck. I have to admit it would be cool to have Grasu, Long And a Tackle from Oregon on the same line.

[jason]

We all know what you're hoping for. Lol

 

But seriously you said you don't see any potential for OLine? I only ask cause I know your affinity for them. Usually Alabama is good for one or two potential starters or God forbid, another Duck. I have to admit it would be cool to have Grasu, Long And a Tackle from Oregon on the same line.

 

You know me well, but the top two guys this year are not top 5 talent IMO. McGlinchey has potential, but needs polish. And Robinson may actually be better suited as a Guard.

[AZ54]

You know me well, but the top two guys this year are not top 5 talent IMO. McGlinchey has potential, but needs polish. And Robinson may actually be better suited as a Guard.

 

I've read this is a bad draft for OTs. I'm not sure about interior spots but for me that's not much of a concern. I'm ok with Sitton, Whitehair, Long with Grasu, and then either Kush or, if he develops as I hope, Edison as the backup. I don't want Larsen back next year and they can bring in some late Rd value pick if they want for competition.

 

Even though JPP owned him in the 2nd half I'd bring Adams back just to see if he can improve his skills and strength in our offseason program. He's not going to command much salary and likely next to nothing in bonus. Finding more serious OT competition is the problem.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I've read this is a historically draft for OTs. I'm not sure about interior spots but for me that's not much of a concern. I'm ok with Sitton, Whitehair, Long with Grasu, and then either Kush or, if he develops as I hope, Edison as the backup. I don't want Larsen back next year and they can bring in some late Rd value pick if they want for competition.

 

Even though JPP owned him in the 2nd half I'd bring Adams back just to see if he can improve his skills and strength in our offseason program. He's not going to command much salary and likely next to nothing in bonus. Finding more serious OT competition is the problem.

What is the scoop on USC LT Chad Wheeler? I know he had law issues last season but his mobility seems like a great fit at either LT if he can improve his pass blocking against speed rushers or maybe a RT because of his superb run blocking. He is a lineman I am intrigued with and I think Kyle Long can help keep him inline with being a pro. Some mocks ignore him otherwise I seem him ranked around 90th which may allow the Bears to draft him in the 3rd.

 

Since we have bigger needs at CB and QB in this draft, I am ok drafting two OTs that can be developed in rds 3-4. Wheeler and Julien Davenport are late names to watch. They can put competition on Leno/Massie and hopefully subplant them sooner than later.

 

I think if the Bears can elevate their oline into a top 5 group, build on their run game, someone like Watson can succeed at QB with his game. He gets the Cam Newton or Tyrod Taylor comparisons, but maybe with work a Russell Wilson one. Put the right situation in front of the right guy and we may have something. I used Watson bc he wins, leads, and has a high football IQ.

[AZ54]

What is the scoop on USC LT Chad Wheeler? I know he had law issues last season but his mobility seems like a great fit at either LT if he can improve his pass blocking against speed rushers or maybe a RT because of his superb run blocking. He is a lineman I am intrigued with and I think Kyle Long can help keep him inline with being a pro. Some mocks ignore him otherwise I seem him ranked around 90th which may allow the Bears to draft him in the 3rd.

 

Since we have bigger needs at CB and QB in this draft, I am ok drafting two OTs that can be developed in rds 3-4. Wheeler and Julien Davenport are late names to watch. They can put competition on Leno/Massie and hopefully subplant them sooner than later.

 

I think if the Bears can elevate their oline into a top 5 group, build on their run game, someone like Watson can succeed at QB with his game. He gets the Cam Newton or Tyrod Taylor comparisons, but maybe with work a Russell Wilson one. Put the right situation in front of the right guy and we may have something. I used Watson bc he wins, leads, and has a high football IQ.

 

Watson makes me nervous. He's the ultimate tease with great throws and then a WTF moment. We have one of those QBs already. Can Watson improve? Surely, but there is the added complexity and speed of the NFL. That along with his smaller frame and propensity to run won't help him.

 

I like Trubisky as the first QB off the board because I think he can bring what Carr has done in Oakland. Next is Kizer who clearly needs more time to develop so he won't be a starter in year 1. If Kizer has the right mentality and work ethic for the NFL job I really like his long term potential. He'll need a team (and fans) willing to give him some time. Third on my list is Kayaa. Behind those guys I'd just stay with the 3 we already have (Shaw, Hoyer, and bad-boy Cutler).

 

Chip Kelly isn't having much success and with his NFL career likely one season from being finished I always consider that desperate men do desperate acts. I see him taking Watson with his first pick in part because he's a good fit for what he wants to do on offense, and in part because he's a winner.

 

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/11/12/t...ll-in-one-game/

[jason]

Watson makes me nervous. He's the ultimate tease with great throws and then a WTF moment. We have one of those QBs already. Can Watson improve? Surely, but there is the added complexity and speed of the NFL. That along with his smaller frame and propensity to run won't help him.

 

I like Trubisky as the first QB off the board because I think he can bring what Carr has done in Oakland. Next is Kizer who clearly needs more time to develop so he won't be a starter in year 1. If Kizer has the right mentality and work ethic for the NFL job I really like his long term potential. He'll need a team (and fans) willing to give him some time. Third on my list is Kayaa. Behind those guys I'd just stay with the 3 we already have (Shaw, Hoyer, and bad-boy Cutler).

 

Chip Kelly isn't having much success and with his NFL career likely one season from being finished I always consider that desperate men do desperate acts. I see him taking Watson with his first pick in part because he's a good fit for what he wants to do on offense, and in part because he's a winner.

 

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/11/12/t...ll-in-one-game/

 

I can understand anyone's order for the QBs, but none of them are so talented that they distance themselves from the others. And that scares me. Trubisky scares me because I think he's overrated and a trendy pick. His one year of NCAA starts also scares me. As does his weak competition. Watson has the highest ceiling and the lowest floor, so that's terrifying for a top 5 pick. Kaaya has no business in the first round. And that leaves Kizer, who is inconsistent despite having all the measurables.

 

I actually like Chad Kelly the best. I hope the Bears load up on D, and grab Kelly late.

 

[jason]

With the loss to the Niners, this draft just got worse.

1. CLE

2. SF

3. JAX

4. CHI

 

And Chicago may be close to dropping to 5 since they're tied with the Jets for wins. The only positive is, in two weeks the Jets play the Niners, and one of those teams will get a win. I'm not sure mathematically which team winning would help the Bears. What I do know, however, is the top two defensive talents are likely gone before the Bears pick.

 

I don't see the Browns and the Niners both going QB. Which means Myles Garrett is gone. And Jacksonville has Bortles, so they're not going to pick a QB. Which means Jonathan Allen is likely gone. What does that leave the Bears? The Bears get the 2nd QB on the board (could be their 1st).

 

So, suppose you're first rated QB is gone. Would you be happy with the Bears picking who you deem to be the second rated QB in this weak QB draft at #4? For me that pick would be Trubisky or Kizer, and I wouldn't like it. Problem is, I don't like the other options that much.

[bowlingtwig]

I actually agree with Connor. It's still to early. For 1 the season isn't over yet. Sure right now we have a top 5 pick but some miracle could happen and Barkley leads the team to win out. If that happens it's more mid pack draft pick. Certainly it's not probable but you just never know. Another thing is we don't even know which underclassman are going to come out. All we are doing is purely guessing at this point. I think personally the guy I like the most is trubinsky but everything that's been said from weak competition to only 1 yr starter is very valid and does indeed scare me. And I know I've said it before but kizer scares the hell out of me. I can't put my finger on it and I'm a notre dame fan. I've watched most of his games and I just get this feeling that he isn't going to work out in the NFL as many are thinking he will. The qb options are very weak for sure.

[Connorbear]

If we have a top 10 pick, I would either trade out or take Jamal Adams or Jabrill Peppers. Draft a QB in the second round.

 

Peace

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I am still in the hunt for a QB, but the Bears have to be all in on what it takes to develop one. Draft players to develop around him and upgrade the offensive coaching too. I'm ok drafting heavy offense and spending some cash on FA defensive players.

 

1- Mitch Trubisky QB NC

 

2-OJ Howard TE ALA

 

3-Tyrell Crosby RT ORE

 

4-Chidobe Awuzie CB COL

 

4-Julien Davenport LT-Bucknell

 

5-David Jones S- Richmond

 

7-WR

 

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Free Agents:

 

1-Alshon Jeffery WR

 

2- Calais Campbell DE

 

3-Dre Kirkpatrick CB

 

 

[BearFan PHX]

I think you guys are missing a huge need at WR. Jeffery is a free agent, White is unproven.

 

I think we will probably need to pick a WR within the first 3 rounds.

[Connorbear]

I think you guys are missing a huge need at WR. Jeffery is a free agent, White is unproven.

 

I think we will probably need to pick a WR within the first 3 rounds.

 

I am starting to agree with Dan Pompei and he said they need to tag or sign Jeffery - you cannot let talent like his walk away.

 

Peace

[Mongo3451]

I am starting to agree with Dan Pompei and he said they need to tag or sign Jeffery - you cannot let talent like his walk away.

 

Peace

I would not tag him again. If the bears pay him market value, I'm good. Funny that he tries to stay healthy in a contract year and gets suspended for PED's. WR is definitely a priority in the off season.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

I am starting to agree with Dan Pompei and he said they need to tag or sign Jeffery - you cannot let talent like his walk away.

 

Peace

Agree! He will at least be franchised if a deal cannot be reached. Jeffery holds higher value than a 3rd compensation pick that the Bears will likely never recieve if he signs elsewhere. Look at the Bears cap space and see that they will have to be in the market for talented free agents themselves which would negate the Jeffery comp. Sign him and I would love to see Calais Campbell DE added to the front with Goldman/Hicks.

[bowlingtwig]

Agree! He will at least be franchised if a deal cannot be reached. Jeffery holds higher value than a 3rd compensation pick that the Bears will likely never recieve if he signs elsewhere. Look at the Bears cap space and see that they will have to be in the market for talented free agents themselves which would negate the Jeffery comp. Sign him and I would love to see Calais Campbell DE added to the front with Goldman/Hicks.

Considering he was just tagged last year his cap hit will be even higher. Got to keep that in mind with the fact he hasn't proved he can stay on the field. In the past it was injuries and this year it's PED's. And part of me wonders if he's checked out. Idk. I love his talent but at what point does the contract not worth it

[AZ54]

If we've decided to move on from Jeffrey then it might be franchise tag and then trade. There will be a market for him as long as we're not demanding too much. We might get a 3rd Rd pick for him but should garner at least a 4th. You can argue that isn't much but it's more than we get just walking away from him.

 

I don't see the Bears offering anything different from last year: A contract for a top 6-10 WR. Probably closer to #10. Jeffrey just lost over $3mil for his PED suspension which follows an injury plagued year. He's damaged goods around the league. IMO, if he is smart this time around he takes the Bears offer and maybe works for a higher bonus structure. Both sides should want a shorter term deal no more than 4 years but a 3yr deal wouldn't surprise me. That gives the Bears less risk and, if Jeffrey performs well, he's young enough to cash in again at the age of 30. I doubt he'll get much more anywhere else.

[killakrzydav]

I really have never bought into Jeffrey being a top ten receiver. It just seems too be about twenty receivers who are better than him. I'm not opposed to franchising him nor am I opposed to trading him. I'd try for a second or top of the third and cut bait. Wr needs to be addressed soon

[jason]

I really have never bought into Jeffrey being a top ten receiver. It just seems too be about twenty receivers who are better than him. I'm not opposed to franchising him nor am I opposed to trading him. I'd try for a second or top of the third and cut bait. Wr needs to be addressed soon

 

100% with this. He's good, but not worth the franchise tag again. To be honest, part of me thinks he pissed hot on purpose to minimize the risk of getting hurt before he moves to his next team.

 

The Bears should emulate NE and trade him while they can.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

100% with this. He's good, but not worth the franchise tag again. To be honest, part of me thinks he pissed hot on purpose to minimize the risk of getting hurt before he moves to his next team.

 

The Bears should emulate NE and trade him while they can.

How are the Bears supposed to trade him, he is a UFA. They will have to find a way to sign him because if he walks, they will not get any compensation picks. AJ is one up on the Bears IMO, he now can force a franchise tag or demand a contract in his favor. If the Bears do not meet his demand, he signs elsewhere and the Bears get nothing.