Its just media speculating. The problem would be Snyder could just offer him twice the money we would, and that would be a no brainer for him

Money is guaranteed, so if Gruden is likely to get fired a year from now and Fangio is not retained, he is still payed.

Maybe so but the raw emotion he showed on the sidelines and after the game is something I've never once seen from Jay. The kid cares and that's pretty important.

I don't know how many QBs would get away with crying in football besides Wilson. As Tom Hanks would say, "There's no crying in baseball"

 

It was one of the greatest comebacks or complete collapses I've seen though

Yep. One big thing that came out this week is how we misused Jared Allen. Instead of utilizing him as an up the field, get the quarterback DE, we often used him to contain and absurd the OT.

 

I'd be good with a brute force back, but we tried that previously with Chester Taylor, Michael Bush, and the guy from Dallas who refused to run out of bounds in the Denver/Tim Teboe game (I can remember that but I can't think of his name.)

 

What I love about Fox, is that he seems interested in utilizing the talent he has. How good can Carey be? He looked pretty good by the end of the season.

I think Carey will be alright, but have doubts him becoming Lacy, Lynch, or Murray type of back that can wear down a defense. Mariin Barber was the other back you were thinking of.

We actually are in a position to get into a bidding war for high priced free agents. I assumed we were screwed in terms of the cap because of all our bad free agent signings. But as per the bleacher report, we have 27 million available which is 10th most in the NFL.

 

I'd LOVE to take the Packers approach and keep our own younger guys as opposed to being players in the free agent market every yet. But right now, the only young guy we are worried about keeping is Stephen Paea. He's comparable to Henry Melton in terms of the success he's had with the Bears. If we want to franchise him for one year, I'd be good with that and we'd still have plenty of space available. If we sign guys to fill vacancies this year and draft well, we'll be in great shape in 2015.

 

In 2016, we'll have decisions to make about Alshon Jefferey and Matt Forte.

I like the approach of seeing the guys we have and how they perform with new leadership. This team has talent, it was just screwed under Trestman/Tucker and many injuries. Offensively, they didn't run the ball. Getting back to that will change alot. Maybe it is time to find a brute back and use Forte as a change of pace guy.

At this point, I don't think the cap space would equal the loss in production from Forte. For Marshall, besides the locker room whispers, has really been a solid player on and off the field (in media) for the Bears. I think both of these guys get one more year. Forte is going to be a FA next year, so we would get a comp pick if he leaves, and Marshall's dead money is way less in 2016 (same with Allen). I believe that is the year we see a huge roster turnover.

It is hard to fill the holes we already have and if we trade our strengths, it only makes it worse. I can see maybe Sutton get shopped to a team in need of a 3T if we change our base D. Other than that, I think we go with our core as long as we can. The offense can be phenomenal if ran right. Run the ball and don't put Cutler in situations were every pass he is either sacked or throwing into double coverage.

Forgot about fanspeak, I wanna join the fun.

 

I always like to preface my mocks with FA pickups so when I don't address a hole no one can say "We need a FS!"

 

In FA I'm gonna bring over 2 former Broncos in Chris Harris Jr and Rahim Moore. McCourty has been at the top of my list buttt he'll be expensive, and I'm not sure he leaves New England. While we would certainly have the money, going with Moore would offer more flexibility.

 

With a new corner and FS, and with the thought that we move to a 3-4 (based on most of the DC candidates talked about) here goes my first of many fanspeak mocks.

 

1R-Brandon Scherff OT Iowa- Gonna be a lot of people that dislike this move, esp. with Ray/Fowler/Collins on board, but I'm of the opinion that Young-Jones-Bostic-SMC/Washington/Bass would be a solid LB group. We have so many weapons on offense but if you can't protect the QB those weapons aren't going to be as lethal and we'd see a lot of what we saw last year.....Scherff is nasty in the run and pass game. with he and Slaus coming back that OL should look pretty damn good.

 

2R- Malcom Brown DT Texas- Fanspeak has him ranked a lot lower than what he's really gonna be ranked. 6'3" 320 who's strength is his strength but is also deceptively quick. Can lineup anywhere on the front 3 but with his size/strength/quickness combo I like him at DE. Front 3 becomes Houston-Ego/Ratliff-Brown/Sutton.

 

3R- Anthony Harris SS UVA- Perhaps the best combo of Run/Pass defense among the safeties this year. I don't think Mundy is dreadful, but I don't think he should be handed the job either. Harris comes in and competes with him.

 

4R- Reese Dismukes OC Auburn- Add the Outland Trophy winner in the first round, and now we add the Rimington Trophy winner in the 4th. If we plan on running the ball more Garza has to go.

 

6R- Garrett Grayson QB Colorado St- No chance he falls this far but I'll take what they give me.

 

7R- James Castleman DT OK St- I love this dude after watchin him in his bowl game. Big enough to play NT, agile enough to play DE, and maybe just maybe, we can see him as a FB as well in special packages.

 

Seems we fall into the same category for draft picks. Brown DT looks like a Fox DT with his size. I'm starting to think Sutton won't fit unless he can play end in a 3-4. I can see the Bears running a similiar 4-3 D they ran in Denver.

 

3R-

 

Something I've been hearing over and over Is that Fox is innovative. In that I mean he "adapts" his schemes to what best fits the players, not the other way around. I think with Pace talking BPA being his preferred way of drafting, that could be a great fit. I doubt of course they'll ignore the 'need(s)' but if they can get what they think is a star player and make it work, it will.

Right, he mentioned how one year they draft DT because of need and it never panned out. He said he learned a lesson. Fowler may be BPA, or an OT.

1-Scherff OT

2-Perryman ILB

3-A.Harris S

4-Coleman RB

6-Big DT

7-C

How many of those 41 sacks were due to Cutler holding on to the ball too long? I will say there were plenty of sacks that were not because of Cutler too tho.

 

Every single sack is due to Cutler holding on the ball too long technically, right?

 

 

Sadly it appears that Marshall is an ERFA (I never heard of it either) which means the Broncos can offer him a one year minimum deal and he has to take it. With the year he had I can't imagine they don't do that.

 

Wouldn't hate Moore one bit. Good call.

 

Irving I could go either way.

I forgot I seen that on Marshall earlier on here. Irving I really dont know much about, but Fox may try to lure as many Broncos.

Hell, he might just wanna have him over for dinner with the family.

Sounds about right. They said Pace wants to really know more about him. He couldn't have learned enough of the first interview.

Kinda depends on the price for me and on what the new staff thinks about Ego/Sutton. I know a guy of his size and age is gonna need rest and that's where having those guys will help, but right now we have Ratliff, Ego, Sutton, and also Houston who will spend some time inside. Might not be that wise of an investment to spend more there.

 

Chris Harris is the guy I want from that D.

I like Rahim Moore S and Nate Irving ILB or Brandon Marshall OLB

This is what I said in another thread, still seems pretty accurate. Looking at some early mocks, it seems that the consensus is that Mariota, Williams, Cooper, Gregory, and Winston will all be gone in the top 6, leaving only one other player drafted before we pick, probably from the group of: (Beasley-LB, Ray-DE, Scherff-OT, Collins-S, Fowler-LB, Thompson-LB, Parker-WR, Peat-OT, Dupree-DE).

I like the OTs, Ray depends on the defense. Thompson will wreck havoc and they say Fowler will be a solid DE? Give me Scherff OT #1, Perryman, Kendricks, or McKinney LBs Rd#2 one should fall, and Grasu/Dismukes C Rd3. Get your Safety in FA.

So if Fox gets the gig, and it was down to Gase or Kyle Shannahan, who do you prefer. Which guy would be best to develop our next QB? Do these guys have the ability to adapt their offense to different personal, or do they not adapt well? Could Gase/Shannahan be a legit future HC and leave in a year? All thoughts to consider.

Source? Thought he was sticking with Baltimore....Guess the Broncos job would be good enough to change your mind.

 

The source was on SBNation, but deleted, so I think someone jumped the gun. If Kubiak is a get off the bus running coach like Fox was wanting to be late in the season, it makes me scratch my head. I think Kubiak would go back to his routes with Denver and Elway.

 

 

 

 

 

Gary Kubiak will be the Broncos HC it looks like.

If he's available in the 5th round, do you take him? I'd be good with that. He's likely to make $300,000+ a year for the next few years. He'd be drafted with the notion that he'd sit and learn until he's ready.

 

Maybe in the 4th round even. Round 4 becomes such a crap-shoot. Although we wouldn't be able to use that pick on another bad safety . . .

I think someone will take a shot at him before the 4th. 4th would be boderline for me to take, it would depend on the HC/OC if they think he can play. He won't be on any practiced squads, so he will be on someones 53.

Jones may have promoted himself these last 3 games, but I would pass. If some team drafts him, I applaud Jones for making the most out of 180 minutes. He is an athlete, but he is no Craig Krenzel. Not that a QB needs to be a molecular genetics major like Krezel, but Jones wasn't fond of academics. His infamous "tweet" about not being at Ohio State to play school brings his maturity into question.

 

As a Bear fan I will pass, but maybe Cincinnati will take a shot. They have Dalton but can move on from him anytime. M Lewis has been good at getting the most out of guys too.

Cam is faster, reminds me of Big Ben....... maybe a little faster than Big Ben!!

Best case scenario is you have a future OG or OT. Dude is huge.

Honestly, right now I really don't know who I want. Rex was my #1 and then Kubiak was #1, and the rest have been meh to me.

 

 

Fox to me, after looking at how his teams have ranked is hit or miss, and more often than not he's missed (to an extent). In 9 years in Carolina he had a winning record just 3 times. While we're talking about coaches without a certain player, Fox is just 81-79 without Manning as his QB.

 

Again I will say that I'm cool with it, I'm just not gonna call it the bomb or anything.

 

I honestly have zero clue who is tops on my list.

I'd be ok with it, but depends on who his coordinators are. Otherwise, bring me a spark plug Bowles, Quinn, Austin,

Absolutely dead on there.

Read his draft profiles. No rookie will step up and be all pro year one, and Ratliff also played NT in Dallas, made probowl I believe. Why cant a Bear draft pick develop into something solid?

We really have the 10th most cap space? The media keeps making it out that we are in cap hell because of all the bad contracts. Considering that we have every offfensive starter signed, that's pretty damn impressive.

All those bad contracts really didn't hurt m losing Peppers, Briggs, and Tillmans big deals frees up a lot of that.

That plan sounds awesome. Imagine if Dallas had dumped their 100+ million $$ quarterback for Johnny Football?

 

If we were re-focused on a running game, imagine how damn dangerous BM, AJ, and Martellus would be.

Those guys are great blockers too for WRs. We have a good shot at the best OT in the draft. I know we need D, but if your first pick as a GM can anchor your oline for 10 years, that would be a great start to being a successful GM. Round two, there should be great talent left for LB or S.

Aside from getting a big fat defensive tackle, in terms of personnel, how hard would it be for us to transform into a 3-4 D?

I think Ferguson can be a good NT in a 3-4.

I think Cutler's faults are well known around the league considering the number of OC interviews that Trestman had this year. Kubiak is one of the few HC candidates that actually may want to keep him around, more than a stop gap. We know Shanny still thinks Cutler is a franchise QB.

 

I don't want to see a team plan around Cutler being their QB for the next 3 or 4 years again. I definitely won't be watching the games as religiously if they do.

Hopefully the hire is someone that can make Cutler better for 2 years, but will also be a great HC beyond that thought. Targeting a coach just for Jay cannot be a reason for choosing your HC. I think Pace has that in mind. I think Kubiak is being mentioned because his offense revolves around a running game. Pace mentioned about getting the Bears back to its roots of defense and running. Having a strong run game, like Seattle, Dallas, and even GB helps any QB. Who knows, maybe having this type of offense will have you rigorously watching if they become relevant again.

 

Kubiaks style blocking was also mentioned years ago earlier to get the most out of Fortes style of running.

I HATE the notion of rebuilding. I know it's a popular idea because of what the Cubs have done, but when has it ever consistently worked for an NFL team. I think of all the teams that seems to be in continuous rebuilding mode: Rams, Raiders, Browns, Bills . . . not to mention the Lions, who finally made the playoffs but were one and done. Meanwhile, the great franchises simply retool and reload.

 

If we scrap next year, there is no guarantee that things will get better.

 

I think of where the Cowboys were at a year ago at this time. There was talk they'd scrap their 100 million $$$ QB for Johnny Football. Everyone seemed to think they needed to rebuild. With good leadership, we can win next year.

Agree, I just don't think rebuild and NFL go hand in hand like you see in MLB. It's either you suck or don't. In the NFL, you have contracts that are tough to move and ramifications if you cut a player. The way out is numerous years of good drafting and good coaching.

 

If Pace can put together the good coaching, we have some talent to work with. Talent that we might not have known with under Tuckers D were numerous times LB n DB were not on the same page. On O, we couldn't get success in the first 15 plays that are scripted and practiced, which tells me there was something majorly wrong. We can argue QB or playcalling, but I don't remember very many runs in the first quarter.

 

Go out and get these coaches before we talk about we have to trade/cut this player or that, because it might take 3 years beore we see a return on those types of moves.