ASHKUM BEAR
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Ok, I'm getting pre-draft gitters!
Please, Please, Please, Ryan Pace just make a good football draft pick like what Pittsburgh or Baltimore seem to make!
Nothing crazy or gimmicky please!
I picked Beasley as my pick, but have a hunch Shelton is our guy. Biggs said the Bears have gotten very tight lipped on Shelton...so tight that it is telling. Brad Biggs is pretty bright and the guy could be a building block on a 3-4.
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I look at it as what does it matter where u take a guy... if u are the top 10 and a guy that could be a star ... take him
What I am thinking Is:
1-Winston
2-Mariota
3-Fowler
4-Cooper
5- Williams
6-White
7=? Scherff, Beasley, Shelton, Waynes, Dupree, Peat?
Hopefully Fowler, Williams, or Cooper fall. White is some what in that 2nd tier to me. Beasley in almost in the upper tier, but like Jason says do we need more OLB's. If only Ronnie Stanley declared for the draft this year instead of going back to Notre Dame.
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Man, I'm starting to feel a bit of dread set in, I think just based on our history. I mean, 2011 was the last year we drafted someone that most Bears had targeted before the draft (Carimi) and that didn't even work out. Before then it was probably Chris Williams (ditto). So I've become conditioned to either expect the unexpected or be disappointed with the expected. I liked this so much more then it was Saturday and Sunday, because even if you didn't love the first pick, you hopefully had at least one more pick that you thought was OK or could talk yourself into. If we do something crazy tonight, I'll be in a bad mood for at least 24 hours.
I am not too thrilled with our slot. Sure 7 is great, but the guys I want won't be there...most likely. There is a handful of other players I like also, but feel at 7 they would be taken to high.
I am excited as always and thinking of taking the train downtown Saturday. The days of sitting in front of the computer and tv all day seem to have faded.
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Awesome job guys, I made a summary thread here: http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11003
Great work Adam on keeping this going! It was fun to follow other teams needs.
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I wouldn't like it. I still think the Bears have far too much DE/OLB talent uncertainties to spend picks on rushers who will also need to be truly vetted in Fangio's 3-4. Beasley would likely get stuck in a rotation at best, and fall behind productive vets at worst. I absolutely don't like a pass rush pick for the Bears until the 4th.
They can always move Houston/McPhee to DE and after 2015, we most likely not re-sign McClellin, Allen, Young, Washington. So OLB will be a need eventually.
I know it is not a need or likeable pick this year, but next year it may be a big need.
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Oh, COME ON! You totally screwed the Bears (and me). Now I have to put a lot more thought into this pick. I don't like the value of just about anyone here. Anyone willing to persuade the Bears GM on a player at this spot?
Your fellow beartalk bro's put it to you. Might need another CB since Ifo's knee may have him sidelined like SF RB Marcus Lattimore. Been reading reports that the knee might be worse than thought. If those reports are false, yes Ifo was a first RD prospect.
recommendations
Marcus Hardison DT/DE
Henry Anderson DE
Alex Carter CB
James Sample SS
Gabe Wright DT
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I think any trade back is what we must do. Get amother 2nd or whatever.
Mid teens - Parker or Collins
My guess is Vic Beasley. Because with Ray and Gregory hurting their stock, Cooper, White, Fowler and Williams go along with the QBs. Beasley is highly rated and too high to pass as bpa. If they can trade down, then it is a few spots down only.
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He was/is actually Mayocks top OT but I think that was based off potential because of his size/athleticism. He had a bad senior bowl that pushed him back a bit. Not sure he makes it to the 3rd though.
He also has a stress fracture in his foot now. Have to have a sharp medical staff to keep an eye on these guys.
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http://walterfootball.com/draft2015.php 1 - Kevin White, WR, WVU 2 - Jordan Phillips, NT, OK 3 - TJ Clemmings, OT, Pitt (AJ Cann available) 4 - Lorenzo Mauldin, DE/OLB, Louisville 5 - Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville 6 - Andy Gallik, C, Boston College I'm on record as being not too high on Kevin White. I hope it's Cooper instead. Phillips at 2 works very well. I think AJ Cann is a better pick at 3. 4-6 I'm not overly excited about, but I get it.
Even though I do not see Jordan Phillips making it out of the first round, I would be thrilled to take him round 2. I don't know much about AJ Cann, has he played OT at all in college and projects best at OG? Most teams like versatility in there lineman. I think Clemmings or Ogbuehi would be gems if they fall to round 3.
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Besides Shelton and Phillips do any of these names say nose tackle? Malcolm Brown, Eddie Goldman,Carl Davis,Tyler Davison,Letermius Watson and Detrick Lott. Their size alone looks like space eater and double team players.
I have watched the Bears for a long time and I'm not about to act like I know anything about how they would play a 3-4 but the version of the defense that Fangio played when the Bears played them with Jason Campbell at QB is not the same as what green bay plays every game. I don't think either team has a huge NT that eats up blocks.
Depends on what type of front you want to run, a 2 gap NT frees up one ILBs. It is not necessary, but a bonus.
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I just don't think any of the guys on the line will demand double teams. They could end up being serviceable players but not to the extent of being a guy who by demanding double teams will make the rest of the defense better.
Phillips is the only guy besides Shelton that I think can be a pure 3-4 NT that plays a 2 gap. I think if he makes it to NE, they draft him to replace Wilfork.
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I'm in the minority here, but I'm comfortable with Rolle/Mundy. So given how this draft plays out Id go with.... 1- Cooper...at this time I am all aboard the Cooper train. 2- Jordan Phillips DT... I still think the bears could really use a guy who demands double teams. 3- Cedric Ogbuehi OT- Read an article saying he'll be ready for training camp. OT with 1R talent in the 3rd? Yes plz. 4- James Sample S- I am comfortable with Rolle/Mundy but neither are the future. I really like Sample. 5- Jake Ryan ILB- Gives me that Borland vibe. 6- Sean Mannion QB- QB worth taking a shot on.
I do like that mock also.
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With picks 96 and 97 in the 2015 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select: Justin Hardy, WR, East Carolina and Reese Dismukes, C, Auburn The Kansas City Chiefs (ASHKUM BEAR) are now on the clock......
With the 98th pick in the 3rd RD, the Kansas City Chiefs select ILB Taiwan Jones MSU.
Kansas has rebuilt their o-line: Erick Flowers and Eric Fisher will man the OTs, Ben Grubbs and Paul Fanaika G's, and Hronis Grasu at C. Tre McBride WR will get a shot at the #2 opposite of Maclin. Taiwan Jones will has a good shot starting in the middle with Derrick Johnson.
Cincy and Mongo are on the clock.
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It is really hard to see us pick someone we haven't been talking about in the first, but I could see things going that way from the 2nd on. Here are some really productive names from the 2nd-6th. These would be potential options, depending on how the draft played out.
Devin Smith, WR - OSU (2nd Round) - if we didn't go WR in the first, I wouldn't mind him opposite AJ to blow the top off the defense (no one did it better in CFB last year)
Paul Dawson, ILB - TCU (2nd-3rd Round) - not really a sleeper, but should be a first rounder with his production
Laken Tomlinson, OG - Duke (2nd-3rd Round) - very solid in run and pass defense and would be a great pick in the 3rd
Trey Flowers, DL - ARK (3rd Round) - Had a bunch of pressures/hurries on QB's this year, and was also very solid against the run (possible 3-4 DE?)
Henry Anderson, DL - STA (3rd-4th Round) - Had better overall stats than Leonard Williams (comparable against the run and much better against the pass), DE in a 3-4
Nick O'Leary, TE - FSU (3rd-4th Round) - Insane hands, 1 drop and 48 receptions
James Sample, SS - UL (4th-5th round) - Efficient tackler, top 10 against run and pass, could end up as the best Safety in the draft
Lorenzo Doss, CB - TU (4th-5th round) - A ton of pass breakups and INTs in his collegiate career
Max Garcia, C - FL (5th-6th Round) - Top 10 pass pro and run blocking
Josh Robinson, RB - MS (5th-6th Round) - Reminds me of MJD, elusive yet powerful, crazy back story
Might be able to add Shane Ray to RD2 picks. He just got pulled over with pot, how stupid can you be.
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This mock by far has got me the most excited. Sure we missed on Oline, but defensively this would be a great building block. I would be happy with this outcome.
1-7 Amari Cooper WR - Hands down the safest 1000yd/yr capable prospect
2-39 Landon Collins SS- Marked as the best S in the draft but he is a tweener FS/SS.
3-71 Xavier Cooper DE/DT- Projects as a 3-4 DE, which after McDonald, Jenkins, and maybe Houston theres not much depth.
4-106 Marcus Golden OLB- pass rushing talent to step in 2016
5-142 Durrell Eskridge FS-big physical FS who could step in
6-183 Ladarious Gunter CB- nice size and speed to develop
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I don't want Mariota. He might have some good characteristics, but I think he is too big of an unknown if he can develop his skills to the NFL.
I do not want Shane Ray or Randy Gregory,( and Beasley is almost in this category.) I think they will be liabilities in the run game. If they Bears were a dominant team, adding their speed would be great. The Bears are not dominant and teams will run at them.
Brandon Scherf, yes he is mean and a road grader but #7 is too high for a probowl G. He could be a decent RT, but I think G is were he excels.
That leaves Winston, Williams, Fowler, Cooper and White and my sleeper pick Bud Dupree who may sneak into the top 7. Narrowing down this group, I hope Cooper falls, then Williams, and White or a trade down happens.
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With the 90th pick in the 2015 draft, the Baltimore Ravens select: Javorius Allen, RB, Southern California
The Dallas Cowboys (ASHKUM BEAR) are on the clock.
With the 91st pick, the Dallas Cowboys select DE Za'Darious Smith Kentucky. With Hardy out for 10 games, Marinelli gets a raw disrupter to discipline. He has a future 3T with Michael Bennett and a Jason Pierre-Paul clone in Smith.
Denver is on the clock.... (Stinger)
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The Bears biggest defensive needs are a two gap NT (Shelton), 2 Safeties, and a CB. Sure they can get by with smaller D lineman, but the key to being a great 3-4 is the ability to disquise your blitzes better. With Ratliff or Ego playing NT, teams will know they are one gap and a LB will take the other gap. Having a two gap NT will open a gap responsibility and free an extra LB adding pressure to the QB to avoid an INT to a free LB or getting sacked from an extra rusher. Two safeties in this weak class. I really like Eric Rowe from Utah, played both cb/s and is climbing the boards. It would be too high to grab him round 2, so if he is their rd3, I think he is our guy. Round 2, I'd like to get an OT or WR if we are lucky, TJ Clemming, Jake Fisher, or Cedric Ogbuehi are 3 guys to keep an eye on. WR there should be a handful. Round 4, might be a good round to take a flier on a developmental S, Prewitt, Derron Smith, Anthony Harris, Darrell Eskridge, or Campbell. One week from now the anticipation turns to reality.
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We have the 7th pick in the draft...if Mariota falls to us at that spot...and the Browns want him would you trade our spot for their #12 and #19 picks? If so then who would you pick at #12 and #19?
I would make that trade in a heartbeat. At 12 I would take Danny Shelton NT and at 19 Landon Collins S.
Bears pushing for #2 but Tenn don't want Cutler
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The rumor is dead. Thought it was dumb and would've dug a deeper hole. Good riddance.