Hopefully he is hearing all this crap and has a bug up his ass.

 

Back in the day on another board the debate was Tommie Harris or Vince Wolfork at 14. We took Harris and ignored the medical red flags while Wilfork is still playing at a decent level.

I remember those days, hard to believe I've been an addict on this site for so long.

Beasley and Fowler are probably my top two guys. Beasley's arms are gigantic. Fowler is damn near perfect size for a LB.

These guys are easy to fall in love with and would fall inline of a need say two years down the road. If you look at the roster composed right now, OLB would be a log jam. McClellin, Young, Allen, Washington, will all be fighting for spots. I'm not against at taking one, just throwing out they may go a different route. Positions in the red are Safety and think we should absolutely fill that in FA and a 3-4 DE. Yellow (2nd biggest need) is DT, CB, OT, TE, C, RB, and WR. Green needs are upgrades: OLB, QB.

 

How we fill these needs will be fun

The nice deal is we will get one of them. Will have no problem with Fowler,Gregory,Dupree,Beasley or Ray. IN that order.

This draft is something else. There is 5 names the Bears can go with. Throw in Winston, Mariota, Williams, Cooper, White, Parker, Scherff and Shelton and the teams that draft them will feel good. The Bears could move down 2-3 spots and come out good.

there is no trade market for a 29 year old RB with over 8mil left on a one year contract.

There really is not a trade market for any of the guys that get mentioned. It is either cut them or play them. Best scenario is they rebound from the bad year and show two years ago wasn't a fluke.

He was unimpressive in the short burst stuff as well sadly. 10 yard split was 2nd worst as well, and his cone drill was 4th worst.

 

It was a tough showing for him, but IMO he's a gamer who knows how to play football. You don't rack up 93 tackles, 15.5 TFL, and 9 sacks if you aren't really good at football.

 

That said I am turned off by him at 7 but wouldn't absolutely hate it if they still took him there.

 

This edge rusher group is somethin special though. Beasley, Fowler, Ray, Dupree, Gregory, Harold, Owa Odighizuwa looks like he could play some 3-4, loved the guy out of Harvard, Zach Hodges, intensity, and Danielle Hunter had a real nice showing.

 

So much athleticism in that group, and so deep.

His combine didn't help him for sure, did it hurt him is the question. We know he produced in college and his main purpose is to anchor and not be moved. I was sold on him after the senior bowl, but using a top 10 on a NT is a tough pill. Getting a playmaker like Fowler, Gregory, Dupree, Ray, or Beasley would be wiser while finding a NT in rounds 2 or 3 like Carl Davis, Jordan Phillips, or Ellis McCarthy can be a possibility. Since S is a need and talent seems bleek, finding a raw talent in Rd 3 or 4 like Eskridge or Jaquiski Tartt might be a good investment to let Donatell develop.

That was a disappointing 40, I wasn't expecting sub 5.00, but 5.66 is really slow (2nd slowest so far this year). I am leaning towards Beasley right now at 7 (if he is there).

Playing devils advocate, but DTs are not about 40 yrd dashes. Look at the short burst stuff.

As for Beasley, sure he shined and I would be happy with him. I am still pushing Bud Dupree as one of my guys.

Vic Beasley 6-3 246 4.53 40. 1.59 10 yd split

Bud Dupree 6-4 269 4.57 40 1.60 10 yd split

they kinda jumped in the opposite groups to perform in. Beasley was with the DL anf Dupree with the LB. It was a move to help them both standout.

The poor drafting over the last several years and marginal free agents , plus were an old team. I think we dont tank but think of more to the future than trying to become a 8-8 team. For us to compete for a playoff berth we would have to hit on every draft pick and every free agent signing. Also our roster has to have gems, we havent seen thru the fog that went on last year. I would love to win the SB next year, but struggling between reality of the roster and being optimistic.

 

I just think that is to much to ask for a team to turn around in one year and be competitive for years to come.Other teams have did it but they did it with prime players in place and tweaked the roster. Name me the players we have for building blocks? Here is what I see:

Long-our future LT

Jeffery- our future #2

Fuller- I think he thrives as a press corner

 

maybe Jones at ILB but that is a stretch at this point

maybe Ferguson as NT-stretch

maybe Young at OLB- position change and coming off injury

maybe Houston as DE-didnt do it last year and would change scheme

 

TOO MANY HOLES TO FILL TO BE GOOD NEXT YEAR

I would like to think that by subtracting Tucker, we will see a different unit we didn't know we had. These are legit nfl guys we have, they haven't had real leadership or coaching for the last two years. Don't be surprised if a rebound happens sooner. But it all depends on if they decide to dump JC, BM, and even MF. Dropping those 3 will make it a 2-3 window. If they keep them and they take to the new staff, I see a small chance this year fighting for a wildcard and being very competetive the following year.

Am always noticing bits of information and dislike starting a new thread everytime I find something, so I will post it here.

I suggest everybody does.

 

At the combine---Bears met with

 

Tevin Coleman/RB/Indiana

Danny Shelton/NT/Wash

Cody Prewitt/FS/Miss

 

There are a few more names to post, that I cant recall at the moment

I was going to start this in the morning, but accidentally deleted it. This is what I found:

Danny Shelton NT Washington - met at Senior bowl

Dominique Brown RB Louisville - East West Shrine Game

Greg Henderson CB Colorado - East West Shrine Game

Alvin Bud Dupree OLB Kentucky - Combine

 

 

It is, but dude has big time talent. He was considered a top 5 talent when he was thought to be be 6'6" 245, and I don't think its crazy at all to think he can add 10-15 pounds of good weight before the regular season.

I am intrigued with Bud Dupree. I think he is worth a look and him or Fowler may go higher than Ray.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BradBiggs/status...795762248671232

 

I thought he was pretty solid for an undrafted / practice squad guy.

I nearly thought this was old news, but it was Al Jean-Louis they re-signed. I thought they both did well in filling in.

Fortes 3.9 YPC ranked 25th among RBs with 100+ carries.

 

Yes he caught a lot of balls but that's more a product of what the offense became last year more than anything. His 7.9 yard per catch ranked 20th among RBs who caught more than 25 balls.

 

Yes, the OL was banged up which had a lot to do with it, but I think Forte is about to hit that wall, if he hasn't already. He's been worked to the ground.

I wonder if he would restructure his deal? Definately take a pay cut or maybe spread it his left over guarantee over two years. He is still an effective back and would benefit in a lesser role imo. He has golden hands and vision running the ball. Run a two back scheme and have him split out as a slot wr, 6-2 218 with 4.45 speed.

Hub has been on the get rid of Marshall train since day one. He and Bernstien have been leading the march.

Everytime I turn on the damn radio it's whiney radio guys crying about the Bears are better off to throw the season away. Those two are not in the long term plans. I would be pissed if I was a season ticket holder and the plan was to throw the season away. Great coaches bring the best out of their players. If they cannot do so, they then cut them. They havent even had a practice, let alone a sit down together. This whole term "non-committed" to them is non sense. They havent committed to any player, yet them not saying those words has a meaning. I would like to see them try bring the best out of these guys while also implementing a plan for a future without them.

I cannot wait for the day that we no longer hear about these two. Every time the Bears are brought up, it is the same old same old. Just end it already, cut the ties. Use all the cap space to pay for their dead money and let's play for a #1 overall pick next season. Two drafts in a row with top 7 picks should set us up nicely and ARod will be two years older.

Can they scheme things to involve Allen, yes but it will tip their hand as to what side they will be rushing from. Jared can still get after the QB but I don't see him dropping back into coverage. Peppers has dropped back into coverage for GB this year but not a lot.

 

 

 

Allen may say he doesn't want to be a OLB and that he would like to be traded or released. We will see.

This was Allens requests last year when he was a FA I believe. I haven't seen anything yet that said he recently stated this. If he cares about money, he will keep his thoughts to himself. The Bears cannot take his dead money (11mil) and eat it. He will have to be a team player this season. I don't see a team trying to trade for that contract also.

McCown could be in town to visit with multiple teams, but the connection with Fox makes this interesting. Would he be brought in as a backup, or is this to ultimately replace Cutler?

 

God please no, Lovie and McCown looked worse than bad. I know bad, I seen the 2014 Chicago Bears.

 

I am sure he would be a back up, that is what he is. A good career back up.

 

 

IIRC, the guy the Jets moved up for was a gigantic bust and also the guy we were supposedly interested in. While we didn't knock it out of the park with those traded picks, we got far more production out of those two than the Jets did with Robertson or whatever his name was (the Dlinemen).

 

Good thing they rebounded with Tillman and Briggs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds after that trade. Taking Polamalu would have been great over Haynes and then taking Robert Mathis over Todd Johnson S would have put us over the top.

 

 

Probably wishful thinking. The value for the 7th pick on the draft value chart is 1,500. The 12th pick is 1,200, and the 19th is 825. So in terms of the draft value chart we're talkin 1,500 vs 2,025.

 

I'd be happy with 12 (1,200) and 43 (470) plus maybe an added late round pick just to sweeten the pot, lets say a 6th.

I know the draft trade value chart, but if the Bears and Browns believe he is the third best talent, then he is worth 2200. That chart is not the official, but it is a good definition of relative worth. That's why is used Cooper in my post. Very unlikely he falls, Jax, Oak, Was, and NY all have a WR need.

Shelton can play both fronts imo. Armstead's role was to take on blockers in his role at Oregon, so his numbers do not reflect. They say he is very strong, especially with having length.

 

Just imagine if Cooper falls to 7, and Cleveland offers 12 & 19.

1-12 Vic Beasley OLB

1-19 Arik Armstead DE

2-39 Ty Sambrailo OT

3-71 Ellis McCarthy NT

4-103 Tyler Lockett WR

 

 

Your probably right about everything you stated, but the key is what Pace and Fox think as far as his positives and weight it against his negatives.They decision will go along way to telling us how much of a distraction he was as to what we think it is. If it is like a Harvin deal that drags the whole team down, then , he should go, it they can manage him, then he gets to stay.

I think Fox and Pace have to experience him to get a taste of him themselves. The McKaskeys probably would be glad to get rid of him, but this is Paces call. If i was a gm, i would want a top tier WR. If you notice a lot of the players they choose are guys that exhibit class. Sometimes that class is the form of keeping your lips zipped. From coaching choices to draft picks, the Bears target a certain personality. Even past players and coaches that don't or didn't meet the McKaskey's preference in personality are not associated with them. To me that is one I've noticed that have held back the Bears.

All we see is what he produces on the field and that has been quite good since he has been here, but we can only read about what goes on in the locker room. Everything I hear is he creates chaos and a lot of the players dont want him around. Last year was a disaster in many ways and his act wore thin. New leadership will help control that but the brass are weighing in on a 31 year old WR about to make 9.5 mil and is he worth the distractions he may create when you trying to establish a new culture in the locker room.

I've only heard about one player that didn't like him, Robbie Gould. I am sure others do not also, like Briggs who walked out on the rant. If they decide to part ways with him, I would be highly disappointed if they don't get anything back in return. Marshall is the type who would go to GB, Sea, or NE and put up career high numbers and retire with a ring or two. In those cultures, he would be the guy they ask him to be because they have a winning attitude. That's what he wants and the losing hurt him and it was seen with his blow ups or post game interviews. One loss, sure it can happen, but collapses with the talent they have is not acceptable.

The games he played two years ago was an . omaly, last year was more the norm for his career. He would be ok, but I think this team is looking to get younger not add older players to the team. I think we bring in a backup QB we may try to develop instead of one to hold the line with.

Most if not all of the same players will be on that offense again. The offense will have new plays and a fresh look, so it can be an effective part of the team. I can see them not wanting him if they want to develop someone younger in the #2 role, but they may plug him in there because they know his chemistry works with those guys and it will be a year or two before they all in on a future replacement.

First off, Jason Cole is a Bleacher Report writer, basically a blog site. He can come up with anything he dreams of for hits. Until Brad Biggs tweets or writes about this, I don't buy it. Brandon is a motor mouth and I am sure many people dislike that, but when no one was taking the reins, he decided to. For those that think his stats sucked, well he played 3-4 games as basically a decoy because he was hurt. Played through when he should have recovered from a high ankle sprain.

Was going to post the link but it was a quick blurb. It said the Jets are more than likely going to cut Percy Harvin and that the Bears and Raiders are already early suitors. I hope this is only speculative rumor. Can't see it working out well. He's the true definition of locker room distraction.

 

The person who came up with this story must not be a Chicago insider. The Insiders all are trying to tell us Marshall will be gone because he is a distraction. Well Harvin is more than distraction, he is cancerous.

 

 

 

 

 

Really starting to hear chatter on Dorsett, moving up boards to rd 2 or late 1st. Today he is taken if available in 3rd.

1-Danny Shelton DT

2-Hauoli Kikaha OLB- trade down 8 spots and gain a 4th RD

3-Phillip Dorsett WR/KR

4-Durrell Eskridge SS

4-Jake Ryan ILB

6-Brandon Vitabile C

7-Dominique Brown RB

 

Dude was horrendous last year. Of QBs with 10 or more starts, Josh had the highest INT%, by a lot.

 

I still truly believe that Josh benefited from playing a handful of truly dreadful defenses.

 

I wouldnt hate to see him back as the backup, but please, keep the starting talk outta here.

I wouldn't mind him back, but would hate to follow sports because every day would be bench Jay and start Josh. I think him and Jay work well together is the main reason of seeing him return as a benefit.