The one about Briggs and Tillman! Lovie had so much respect from his players and the loss of Urlacher destroyed any small chance respect would be won over by anyone that replaced him. The thought Marinelli, Lovies pal, would stay to be the bridge showed it was going to be a tough sell.

 

Goes to show you when you change a regime, do it completely. Any player that you think will resist change needs to be released. Peppers had a terrible year and was not going to lay it out. Briggs half arsed it and used injury. Tillman I won't question and have respect for. Emery gambled on an unknown QB guru and retaining a respected Tampa coach and failed. Hopefully he learned If he is given another chance.

The only point to make here is they didn't lose money on ticket sales. Those tickets were sold before the season.

 

Peace

 

I looked at it as if the average person spends $20, that's a $200,000 loss in concessions.

I could not be any happier about this game. Down 45 points in the fantasy football championship game with Drew Brees and Mark Ingram left to play. Ingrams TD in the last minute puts me up by 3.5 pts. I am just glad the Bears season no longer matters to me but to get a higher draft pick and find real management.

With the media furore and the fans venting their frustration I hope whoever makes the decisions after the season is over does it rationally and without emotion.

The first thing that should be considered is do we want to go through a Chicago Cubs rebuild i.e. Get rid of Emery, Trestman, coaches and playing staff because if they clean house from top to bottom then who ever comes in will change the players.

Whether a rebuild is or isn't required should be determined with the following observations:

1. What affect they last 2 seasons can be attributed to Angelo's drafting. If you look at Greenbay the majority of their roster is built from drafting. This gives you more options for building a roster and not have free agents come in like Peppers and cripple your franchise. Also we may have drafted a QB and not needed to give Denver those no. 1's for Cutler

2. Can Emery and the player evaluation team start drafting players that are comparable with Green Bay.

3. Is Trestman able to keep the players, coaching staff bought in that he is able to lead men. The trouble currently seems that he is giving them ownership of themselves hoping they can make the right decisions that are required to help the Bears achieve their goals. Is this philosophy naive and do they need greater direction.

4. How much influence has Lovie's players like Briggs, Peppers etc. had in the past 2 seasons an in someways sabotaged the new regime.

5. Can we win with or without Cutler. Is it possible to take the poor decision making made by Cutler by really running the ball more. Is the oline good enough because I feel the biggest weak link in the line is at Center. If you protect from the inside out then surely the Center is the most important position. What are our options if we choose to cut or trade Cutler. Howdoes his salary cripple this team.

I have used Green Bay to judge ourselves by because they seem to be doing things the right way and until we can complete and beat them we are going nowhere.

I do like Emery and unlike a few, I think his drafts have been decent if you throw away his first one. Maybe the same can be said on his coaching hires. Throw away this first coaching staff, because Trestman couldnt handle keeping things in house. The leaks to the media have been sickening. I would almost say someone is leaking the play calls also. I would reach out to Holmgren with a proposal to coach a year or two, develop his replacement HC and then step into the President of Football Operations. It could be a dagger to the guy who hires him, but Emery could learn and survive which I believe he is smart enough to.

https://twitter.com/adamjahns/status/543847552995454976

 

Looks like Pats and Chargers had interest.

 

It is a good move, not only to keep poachers from swiping him from us, but to possibly get him some action once we've been blown out of games. No sense risking Jay the remainder of the year with playoffs out of question. Jays contract is guaranteed, so yes we do need him healthy.

Technically his career was over about four years ago when he was injured the first time in Denver. He was such a horrible signing.

 

I remember when Clutts was with the team and how effective they were in having him at FB. Still can't understand why they went away from it. I realize that was before Emery's time but still....

I believe Clutts will be a FA after this season. Go get him Phil

It is a possibility:

 

NT- Ego Ferguson

 

DE-Lamar Houston

 

DE-Will Sutton

 

OLB-Willie Young

 

OLB-Shea McClellin

 

ILB-Jon Bostic

 

ILB-Christian Jones

 

CB-Kyle Fuller

 

CB-Tim Jennings

 

S-Ryan Mundy

 

S-

 

 

Ian Rapaport apparently brought up the name Wade Phillips as a possible DC replacement on the radio yesterday. I haven't heard the interview yet, but I heard that's a name that was brought up. If true, I'd be all for it. Wade has a history of taking over historically awful defenses and making them the #1 or #2 defense in the entire league the very next year. He also might be the only quality candidate to replace Mel Tucker in a lame duck year under Trestman because he's old and most teams aren't calling asking for him to work anymore.

 

And to think Paul Pasqualoni (Bears D-Line coach) replaced Phillips as interim DC the year the Cowboys fired him. Well we know Pasqualoni/Phillips worked together....they are both 3-4 guys along with Clint Hurtt and Reggie Herring. Maybe this is the direction the Bears are thinking?

 

 

Is this to replace Jay or a back up? Sanchez looks poised and would be a strong #2.

What good old coach or up and coming coach with options will want this job? It's not a favorable situation for a guy to want to come out of retirement and could be a career killer for a young coach.

 

The QB sucks, the elite rb is going to be 30, the defense if devoid of talent, and Emery is a crap GM.

 

A great coach wanting to relive the glory days. Sure it's been bad, but what's the point if you don't have any hope. They need to figure something out with what they have to work with.

They also liked playing for Lovie.

 

I just think Rex needs to work on his discipline. The Jets have been more a circus than not while he was coach. Wasn't he the one that wanted Tebow?

 

I'd be ok with him being a DC first, either for Trestman or Harbaugh.

 

I see Mike Holmgren has an itch to coach again and will only come back if a huge opportunity arose. With our offensive weapons, I wonder if he can be the Phil Jackson for the Bears. Also try lure Detroit DC Teryl Austin as DC/Asst Head Coach, he worked with Holmgren from 2003-2006. Holmgren can work with Emery on GM duties and Phillips on president duties....because he has done them.

 

If Emery would like to remain a GM, he should walk into Teddys office and sell him this plan.

If you know you are getting that, yes.

I've been scrounging MLBs since Urlacher. 2013, I wanted Alec Ogletree who was a converted S, big and fast also. He is doing well at STL. I was intigued by Mosely, but felt other positions were a higher priority. Now I see this kid and he has the perfect mold and he has been successful at the college level. Just to think we might be able to duplicate the 2000 draft on finding our Urlacher and Mike Brown....heck even our 1999 Olin Kreutz. But we know Emery will do something completely off wall and draft a top WR.

Would drafting another Urlacher be considered a premium like OT/DE. Because I think we can land McKinney 6'-5" 250 and 4.55 speed. The guy is a leader and can play. We might even be able to trade down a few spots, gain a 3rd and still draft him. Draft a FS round 2, Cody Prewitt, Gerod Holliman, or Darron Smith and the a Center RD3 Reece Demukes or Hronis Grasu.

Now, I do not watch college football but if the Bears are in the top 10 and they identify a franchise QB than they should trade up to secure the pick and doing so should not be too costly. Then the rest of the draft should focus on defense and the following year 2016 then focus on offensive line when you let the second year QB battle cutler for starting job.

Trading up is basically out. It would cost a 4thRD just to move up one spot. A 2nd RD to move up 5 spots. Mariota will be #1 overall, which will cost us next years 1st and this years 3rd . Winston is reachable, but I wouldn't touch him with our 9th-12th pick. With Cutler signed at least 2 years, might as well rebuild the D and find a Center.

I agree on all except for the Bostic pick. Here are picks around Bostic, now we obviously couldn't get any of the players ahead of him, but look at the quality after, up to almost 30 picks later:

 

46 - Kiko Alonso, LB

47 - Gavin Escobar, TE

48 - LeVeon Bell, RB

50 - Bostic

51 - David Amerson, CB

52 - Jamie Collins, LB

58 - Montee Ball, RB

61 - Eddie Lacy, RB

63 - Travis Kelce, TE

65 - Larry Warford, G

66 - Sio Moore, LB

69 - Honey Badger, CB

71 - T. J. McDonald, S

74 - Terrance Williams, WR

75 - Terron Armstead, OT

76 - Keenan Allen, WR

 

An example would be the 50th pick could've landed us #59 and #102 (NE), and we could picked any player after Ball, and had an extra pick 15 before Greene in the 4th. Obviously hindsight is 50/50, but there were options. We went back to back LB, so we could've easily went with Warford after Long.

We came into the draft with a huge need to replace Urlacher. I wanted Ogletree and it may have worked out taking him and then Warford. But as for finding a MLB, I think they chose the best guy with what was out there. I would assume we tried to trade down, but there probably wasn't any takers. If we draft a MLB this year, I think Bostic will do better at WLB and Jones/McClellin can battle out the SLB spot.

Fuller?????????

 

 

not that I want Emery drafting

 

Not giving Emery a break, this team has been short on having draft picks for years. Traded picks for Cutler, Marshall, Gaines Adams have crippled this franchise. Year one sucked and Shea may take another big step on his final year to save some face for that class. Year two, missing a 3rd RD pick, we take Bostic. I do not see another LB drafted after him that has done squat in the nfl. Arthur Brown was a big name talked about and he hasn't played much. We've been short on picks and some of those draft classes were weak in talent. Last year the class was good, and I think the Bears did good filling positions of need. This coming draft looks good too...

I would trade down 5 spots and aquire a 3rd RD.....

1. Benardrick McKinney MLB - 6'-4" and fast- second coming of Urlacher

2. Marcus Peters CB 6' 200 - if he falls into the 2nd , this would be a huge steal.

3. Derron Smith FS

3. Hronnis Grasu C or Reece Dismukes C

4. Best RB

 

 

Has he said that or something? Even his 1 year as OC in Nola the team ranked 29th in rushing attempts. Bears are 28th this year and were 24th last year.

He was the running coordinator last year and called the running plays. Statistically, were not far off from run to pass ratio. Also, linemen prefer to run block, he was a oline coach.

 

What the Bears need is a franchise QB. Get one of those and the rest of what you do looks a lot better to outside observers. Take that away from the franchises being discussed and the one that really stands out is Baltimore. The guy calling the shots there is Ozzie Newsome and he learned his craft working for Belichick in Cleveland.

 

The other constant those franchises have is stability in the organization and it's one thing the Rooney's have emphasized in Pittsburgh. They ride out the rebuilding storm with their head coaches. Likewise Green Bay has been consistent with their offense, at least in terms of the system. When you have that stability it's easier for new players to get up to speed because veterans know all the details and it's easier for a player like Matt Flynn to look good. Their defense has flipped around a few times and that's where they usually struggle. When you think about it, Green Bay usually enters the offseason focused on fixing their D yet for all that attention they can't get it done, at least consistently to a top 10 unit which, if you focus that many resources on it, should get there. Aaron Rodgers makes people overlook that no differently that Tom Brady makes people overlook defensive issues in New England.

 

That is true. Jay is our franchise QB, and we have him next year for sure and most likely the following. I heard that one option is stripping Trestman of the playcalling. We know Kroemer is all about running the ball, maybe a more balanced attack is all this team needs and they also need to change their movements because defenses know were we are running.

I'm starting with the GB Fudge Packers. Only because in 2005 with the number 4 or 5 pick the Bears selected Cedric Benson and with the 24th pick that same year GB picked Aaron Rodgers. Man, look at difference one draft pick can make. President is Mark Murphy, but he also has an executive committee. Not sure if Mark Murphy has final say but I like the idea of a committee. Below them is the GM Ted Thompson. He is in control of everything personnel wise, and coaching staff wise. McCarthy has gone on record that he has nothing to do with the roster. He is paid to coach whatever roster is put in front of him GB has built their team through the draft. Ted Thompson has been given a lot of credit for his. If you look at this franchise you know who is responsible for what. It would be easy to hold someone accountable. 1. Mark Murphy and the committee are the top 2. Ted Thompson answers to them 3. McCarthy answers to Ted. Holding people accountable is very crucial. Is McCaskey (Chairman on top) with Ted Phillips (President and CEO) in charge and answering to him and does Emery answer to him? Ted does have the title of CEO/President. So Im going to go with him running the whole show. George was put in place in 2011. So Im only going to hold him accountable from then on. The only constant from before then is Ted Phillips, he has been the CEO since 1999. If Ted Phillips is the one calling all the shots then lets look at what he has done 1. Hired JA= which hind sight is always 20/20 was a bad move 2. Waited too long to fire JA 3. Hired Emery = if Trestman (this is if Emery had total control of who was hired) was the wrong hire then you have to look at Emery being the wrong hire too JA did hire Lovie and Lovie was a good coach(this is going on the idea that JA hired Lovie and not Ted). I think Lovie should have been fired earlier than he was, because there was a GM change I will put this blame on Ted. The Goal in the NFL is to win a SB, since 1999 the Bears have been to one SB. The Bears once had a strong roster(heavy on the defensive side) that was driven into the ground by JA. This all happened under Ted Phillips watch. If Ted Phillips was in charge, he fired JA(a move that needed to be done) and hired Emery. Then Lovie was fired and Trestman was hired. The Bears have gotten worse. Ted Phillips does not have a football background. Maybe if he did he would have seen where the Bears where headed under JA. Maybe he would have seen where the NFL was going (pass happy) before everyone else. Mark Murphy does have a football background. Not saying this is the end all be all but its something to look at. Next up Im going to go over the Ravens front office.

 

Here is a big one... after Lovie took the Bears to the Super Bowl in 2006, the Chicago Bears gave him an extension. In that extension, he gained some power over personal, meaning telling Jerry who to draft. He let go of Rivera, meaning full control over the coaching staff/contracts.

 

I would like to know what Angelo was doing with that contract extension? Why would he sign over a chunk of the power over personal to Lovie? That tells me Phillips or Mikey McCaskey are making the decisions instead of letting the GM do his work.

 

 

Ravens Owner Biscotti President - Cass GM- Ozzie As Alaskan said, Ozzie is the guy in charge. Ozzie has kept the Ravens at a high level of the NFL for years. I don't think anyone questions who is making the calls here.

 

I would give a lot of credit to the Ravens due to their President Richard "Dick" Cass also. The guy could be in line to become the next commissioner of the nfl and is highly thought of by NFL owners.

 

 

New Egland Robert Kraft CEO Jon Kraft - President Nick Caserio- director of player personnel That is all that is listed. So I guess they don't have a GM, or does Hoodie Bill take one that role?

 

Bill Belichick is GM/Coach

 

 

why? so we can all see how stupid we are? thanks

Because I can. Why would I demean anyone here? It was interesting to see thoughts on the whole process and the 9 page thread was interesting as well but is locked.. Posts on how Trestman wears on players/coaches and hasnt held a job more than two years seem accurate. I think most were intrigued with Trestman and an offensive mind was a high priority.

Bumped...

Thanks for the breakdown. If Collins is there, I would think we take him....unless they throw a wrench into the draft machine and take: Amari Cooper WR, Brandon Scherff OLT, Randy Gregory DE who seem to have a higher value.