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  2. You guys all made great and valid points here after going through all the posts... I think the answer is kind of "all of the above." Seem to me it's: 1. (GM) We keep drafting the wrong guys. For all the, it's the coach, it's the GM, it's the ownership...all of that noise goes away if we draft the correct players. (or get the correct FA's for that matter). This is intrinsically on the GM. Who is out bet drafted player right now by the current regime? I'd maybe say Wright. Brisker had flashes, Gordon is MIA, our 2 DT's are fair. Stevenson has some flashes. Bottom line, we don't have a star. In the trade, we did get Moore. He is our only legit "Superstar". Our GM can make trades w draft picks. Maybe he just can't pick well? We all know through the posts here who he missed out on taking Velus, etc instead. 2. (GM and Ownership) We keep hiring the wrong coach. From missing out on Dave McGinnis to Arians, to Daboll (besides Lovie), we've whiffed every single time. We always seem to hire the "nice" guy. I think the McCaskey's didn't like Ditka, so everything now has to be polar opposite. Except, it doesn't seem to be working. I think McCaskey keeps feeding the GM, you must hire A, B or C, and better not hire D, or you'll not get hired or lose your job. But, if the GM really wanted to keep his job, he'd hire a good coach no matter the demeanor. So, blame goes to both GM and Ownership. 3. (HC) In game, a lot goes to blame on the HC. He picked his coordinators, etc. He's game planned or not game planned as it would appear often. We constantly have tiddywinks players vs Gary Kasperov in chess. Our coaching is historically and epically horrific since Lovie. AD (After Ditka), at least Wanny has pedigree, Jauron was an ample defensive guy. After Smith...oh man. Just a cavalcade of rotten. 4. (Players) Once you get to the Bears, guys seem to now want to suck as they continue on. Fun and flashy rookie turn into mistake prone whiners complaining that they don't like fans booing because the team sucks. Tremaine Edmunds looked strong in Buffalo. Comes here and makes rookie errors every Sunday. I don't care that the DL sucks...do your job. Allow the first because you have no choice. Don't F up and allow a TD. That's pretty much it. It's everything and all at once. Maybe Warren is the difference. With Sweaty Teddy, we know it'll be rinse repeat. With Warren, I still think it'll be rinse repeat. But, there's a chance it won't. We as a fan base have been burned too many times, too often, and too consecutively to not fear the worst when it comes to this franchise. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume more of the same.
  3. Because I was curious, Hurts’ QBR (whatever that is) is 44.2 and his team is 3-0. Kirk Cousins QBR is 59.5 (ranked 12th) and his team is 0-3 like us.
  4. Drew Brees was notoriously short at 6’0 (although really I think it might’ve been shorter). I remember reading a number of years ago about he often had to stand on his toes to make throws. Then of course there was Doug Fluite. Its all about making adjustments. And maybe a reason why they design more rollout options for Justin.
  5. Today
  6. His arm slot is low. That's why he has a hard time throwing over the line. Drew Brees was the best short QB at throwing over the line due to his extremely high release. Drew would literally stretch himself vertically while throwing to overcome it. Fields makes no effort to raise, combined with the slowest release in the NFL. That fearfully combination creates a huge window that he cannot hit. It happens to be the area where most QB's make their money. If you imagine a pocket and draw a line from fields to each furthest blocker, fifteen yards beyond that radius is the area he fails to hit. It's a fatal flaw.
  7. I think that some individual players will get better, but, with all our injuries and coaching disfunction, this TEAM is not going to get better and win games. And there will probably be more injuries and further finger-pointing/denials, angry players and some that will disconnect. I don't see any leadership on this team anywhere in the organization and that is problem no. 1.
  8. adam

    Fields-O-Meter

    I think Mahomes would not have as good of numbers as he does now, and Fields would be better, for sure. I am just saying there are very few cases where a player is either really bad or really good on one team, then goes to another team and is the complete opposite, just because of the coaching and other players. It does happen, but it is the outlier. If you look around the league, having the Offensive Guru as the HC makes the most sense, because you don't have to worry about losing him every season to another team if he was just the OC. The HC can be the play caller and have a named OC that is more of an Asst. Head Coach. Then you bring in an established name as the DC, who can also act as an Asst. HC. That way the HC who is calling the plays has some cover for other parts of the duties that he may not be able to do while calling plays. Also, the game is super analytical now. The coaches don't even need to make their own plays. All they have to do is put there own wrinkle on the same concepts. There are only some many routes to run, route combinations that work against specific defenses, etc, etc. Everything is plotted and graphed, so there should be very little need for major decisions within the game. You make them before the game. That is why the Getsy stuff is so alarming at this point. The Texans have a rookie QB, new coaching staff throwing to Nico Collins and Tank Dell, and both of those WRs have more receptions and yards than any WR on the Bears. Getsy was the biggest mistake for the Bears. Knowing the Bears had Fields, he was the polar opposite of Rodgers, a young QB vs a HOFer, Rodgers can pretty much do anything on every play as long as the other players don't make a major mistake. Fields is a mobile QB who has a hard time reading the MoF. That is like oil and water. What could Getsy impart on Fields? Getsy didn't call plays and was just a spectator. I think that was the Bears biggest mistake. Off topic a little, does it ever feel like to you that Fields is shorter than advertised. Fields hits OLine helmets and gets balls batted down like he is 5'10", and when he stands in the pocket he looks shorter than guys like Watson, etc, and he is taller. Hurts even crouches down very low and still makes throws of the middle. I always felt that they should measure eye height vs overall height, because if you have a 5-head like Glennon, you will be 2 inches taller than a normal cranium, but your eye level will be that of someone 2 inches shorter.
  9. That is what Mahomes became. But was it Reid, his staff, and the roster that gave Mahomes the support to become a great. Fields has not had anything close. All I am saying is having the right system and support help elevate and build confidence or the opposite can crush a player and we see that every QB that bring in. The Bears either go with defensive minded coaches or they try a new up and comer offensive guy. With saying this and seeing what Mahomes has become, I do not think Fields could have became all that but I think he would be better than he is now.
  10. I think they win but it's going to be contested. We're not good enough yet to have an easy game. We will get better as the year goes on not how many wins that turns into.
  11. adam

    Fields-O-Meter

    Patrick Mahomes is a generational talent, and outside of Kelce and Jones, the Bears may have had a better roster. Mahomes it football jesus, he can literally make any player look good. The team would not have had the success KC did, but that is relative to the entire team, not just Mahomes. Mahomes in a vacuum will probably end up as the best QB of all-time, and he will eclipse numbers set by Brady, Favre, and Rodgers long before they hit the same numbers. Now he just needs to keep winning championships and catch or surpass Brady. Would he have won a SB in Chicago? Yes, in 2018, easily. That would've completely changed how 2019 was handled, so who knows how many more he would've won. Nagy is doing pretty good with him right now. If Fields was with Reid, I think he would be much better than he is now with Getsy, but I assume every young QB would be. Look at what Stroud is doing in HOU, name his top 2 WRs, TE, and RB off the top of your head. Love has been playing solid in QB without his WR1 and RB1, and he doesn't throw for 99 yards. Regardless of the players around him, Fields himself, is not producing. As the biggest contributor in a football game, his impact is the greatest and has a domino effect. If the Bears had Andy Dalton back, the Bears are probably 2-1, and the offense would look a lot more in fluid. Fields is making the offense clunky right now and unfortunately, until he improves, I don't see this changing.
  12. adam

    Fields-O-Meter

    DVOA for Fields thru 3 weeks is -51.8% (last), he passed Jake Luton to become the 2nd worst QB in the last 5 years with over 400 passing attempts. He is nearing Mike Glennon the Giant territory, who is dead last: 20 Luton -48.6% w/ 117 attempts 23 Fields -51.8% w/ 101 attempts 21 Glennon -59.2% w/ 173 attempts To understand how bad Glennon was, he only lasted 4 games. He had 4 TD and 10 INT, a QB Rating of 49.7 and averaged 131 passing yards a game while being sacked 9 times. If we go up in passing attempts, the next two QBs ahead of Fields with more attempts is 20' Dwayne Haskins (-40.1% w/ 261 attempts) and 20' Alex Smith (-39.7% w/ 274 attempts), interestingly enough, both on the Commanders. Fields current QBR is 21.0, 34/34 in the NFL. Fields has had a bottom-5 QBR every week this season. For PFF, Fields has a 62.3 (27th) OFF Grade and a 54.3 Passing Grade (31st). His traditional QB Rating is 67.7 (30th) So the eye test is matching the stats, all of the stats. I think the worst possible combination all hit at the same time, weak roster (GM), bad HC, bad/inexperienced OC and play caller, and a QB that really needs a super strong development environment to progress. This is clearly not a system built for Fields, nor is it play to his strengths, that is 100% on Getsy, and should be a fireable offense (no pun intended). The only thing saving Fields right now is that the entire roster around him is terrible and his OC can't draw up a play to get anyone open. Guys like Burrow, Pickett, Lawrence, and even Hurts have a lower than normal QBR. So it could just be an early season thing, but if he ever needed a slump buster, I hope he finds one this week and gets all his frustrations out, just don't pull a hammy.
  13. Yesterday
  14. Fields is bad and the coaching is bad. I don't think Fields would be good with other coaches. I dont think the coaches would be great with another QB.
  15. Do you think Patrick Mahomes would have made it in Chicago like he has in KC? If Fields was in KC would that team be trash because of him? I think that is how some of us view it. I agree Fields has regressed. I also have seen experts point out why he is not excelling and they state because the plays just don't work. I am giving him the benefit and want to see how it goes once Carter and Patrick are back to being reserves. The Bears supposedly upgraded how many starters and the defense has looked almost worse. This runs deeper than just Fields in my opinion.
  16. If Fields was ever gonna throw for 300 yards, here is his chance. At home against a team that gave up 70 pts. Denver is on the road for back to back games.
  17. adam

    Fields-O-Meter

    That tells me there is a disconnect between GM and HC.
  18. Daventry

    Fields-O-Meter

    I can’t disagree with the overall dysfunction, but you could have Jesus coaching Fields and he still wouldn’t be kicking any ass.
  19. I would say the current issues with Fields is a microcosm of the systemic issues that are the current Chicago Bears. I would think the macrocosm is the overall system (aka organization). How far up does the dysfunction go is the question to ask. To the pic below I would add that there are a bevy of other issues that factor into the equation to include injures and third stringers starting in key positions (oline and def secondary for sure).
  20. Daventry

    Fields-O-Meter

    To be clear, I don’t believe coaching can be blamed for all of Fields problems. That’s what they said about Trubisky and he went to some other teams with other coaches and hasn’t set the world on fire. Fields would struggle regardless of who was coaching him.
  21. Actually both can be true at the same time.
  22. Daventry

    Fields-O-Meter

    I am really surprised some still hold onto coaching as the reason for Fields problems. In my view, it is clear that regardless of the coaching, he is not close to being a starting quarterback in the NFL.
  23. Coaching has got to go. This team has yet to be ready or prepared.
  24. Gotta say I'm more interested to see if someone gets fired or benched after we lose this weekend. I think there is more of a chance of that happening than they have of winning.
  25. Everything is contributing to being bad, Fields, coaching, OL, WRs, injuries, and a bad defense. If all of them improve 20% we might be in ball games instead of getting blown out. In the next 4 games we need to go 3-1 or 4-0, I dont think 2-2 does us any good on our long range goals.
  26. For now. I’ll put Fields’ overall QB career over Getsy’s OC career. Signed ~ Homer.
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