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I do not wish good luck to the Packers or their players.

truth! and honestly Love really only had half a year! Maybe theyll hit gold, or maybe theyll be saddled to a mediocre QB for a while. Its their turn to find out what that feels like!

The cool thing is we have a QB everyone agrees is going to be great. Jordan Love just signed for 220 mil, for one good year.

oh yeah, I wasnt saying you were fighting at all, I was saying Im trying not to be fighty myself about that previously touchy subject - youre fine! Also, I think there might have been locker room issues if you keep beloved Fields around and try to give the rookie the reigns at some point, so you might wanna move him - but there are arguments on both sides that make some sense I agree. I just think JF will never be a great QB. And since hes no longer here, it doesnt really matter LOL

Not trying to fight, just present the opposite view of the outcome. As Pix suggested , i still think we would have taken a QB, I just think Poles would have Fields one more year to prove himself. Not suggesting they we would have given him a long term contract. His 5th year would actually have been cheaper than CW. I am totally sold on CW and feel fourtunate to have gotten him. I just dont think that cancels my wish for Fields to have a good future.

I cant really argue with that. We will all see how Justin develops in Pittsburgh, but whatever the case, Caleb should make us forget all about it

For sure, he would be traded, or cut, and not resigned. If kept, it would have been a stop gap. Maybe start games up until the trade deadline, then when the rookie was ready, trade him. Who knows, a team might have been desperate at that time if their starter went down and give us more than we got from Pittsburgh.

interesting point. I guess I meant that I dont see Poles exercising the 5th year option, so we'd need to draft a QB, and youre right if the rookie needed to sit, maybe wed have kept JF - I guess i really specifically mean he wasnt the QB of our future, but youre right he might have still been on the roster. But then again, teams start rookie QBs all the time these days, so maybe not too. But youre right I couldnt be sure, just that I dont think he was in our future plans.

Depends. If we hadn't been in a position to draft Williams, would we have drafted a QB later that would be ready to start the first game of the season? If yes, I agree, they would have still traded Fields. If not, and the rookie QB had to sit for a spell, I suspect they would have kept Fields until the rookie was ready to start. As much as I like Baget, I don't think they would have turned the keys of the Offense over to him during that learning process.

well no reason to fight this all through again, but i dont believe he would still be here if we didnt have the Panthers pick. I think we would still have taken a QB and traded up if necessary, but we probably wouldnt have Caleb, and that would be awful. We can agree to disagree on this, since the Justin Fields civil war is over LOL And in a couple years we will have more data on this too of course.

I think his biggest problem was consistency. He has did everything but had to many bumbs in the road. Everyone does realizes if we didnt get Panthers pick he would still be here. If the Pathers pick didnt fall in the first 2 picks, Fields would have stayed. I think he gets better. He will never be a top 10 QB but will fall in that next group. He looked great throwing 16 in a row but those type moments just didnt happen enough. IF he improves this year, he will be the starter in Pittsburgh. We get to see his growth from afar now as we watch CW become a top 5 QB as a rookie. I get the rookie growth period but I think he passes those mistakes early and has a redord type year.

before its over theres gonna be a Poles statue in front of Soldier Field. And a Kevin Warren statue in front of the stadium in Arlington heights where we play LOL

for sure, and DJ, Allen and Odunze too - its a lot easier to catch a long go route TD when the defense has to cover those other guys, than when their #1 or #2 CB is on you.

for sure. i will never denegrate Justins physical abilities. He throws a great deep ball, and hes one of the best open field runners in the league regardless of position. I have often compared him to Devin Hester in that regard. I just dont think he is a QB.

Then today, Caleb finds Velus Jones for a td. It would be great if Caleb can elevate these two who have crazy speed and redeem Poles who saw something in them.

Yeah, it is unfortunate, because he had all the physical traits to become Cam 2.0. However, there is too much missing in his passing game to overcome in today's modern NFL offenses. Both the offenses and defenses are becoming so complex these days. There are plays within plays and QBs need to be able to process so much so fast that there is a clear demark point between the haves and have nots. Some guys just can't do it, like Fields. They can still be an NFL starter and win games, but rarely do those guys ever go on perennial playoff runs because their success is dependent on too many external variables. I would say any given year that no more than 10-15 QBs have "it" (Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Prescott, Stafford, Rodgers) with the jury still out on Hurts, Stroud, Love, Tua, Lawrence, and Purdy. Caleb can easily enter the "jury still out" category this year and get into that group. There are a group of vets like Goff, Cousins, Murray, and Mayfield that have it sometimes, just not consistently enough for me.

It still is hard to believe because if you really look at the entire 53-man, this may be the most talented group top to bottom since 2006 or as far back as 85 or 87. Here are the last 3 seasons when the offense and defense ranked in the top 10 in scoring: 2018 had the #9 scoring offense and #1 scoring defense. They had Trubisky at QB though so it almost takes this year out already, and the leading WR was Taylor Gabriel. Jordan Howard was the RB1 and Trey Burton was TE1. Gabriel would be WR4 or 5 on this roster. Howard may be RB3, and Burton (who never lived up to potential) is probably TE3. The D-Line (DTs and Edge) is better in 2018, but that's it. Edge - 2024. 2006 had the #2 scoring offense and #3 scoring defense, but again, Grossman at QB. Muhammad at WR1, Berrian at WR2. Nowhere near Moore and Allen. The defense was stacked but I like the current secondary better. The 2006 DBs had Danieal Manning at FS and Ricky Manning at CB2. The 2006 DL was definitely better with Anderson, Brown, Ogunleye, Harris and Tank Johnson. 5 deep. Then Urlacher and Briggs at LB. Overall, the defense still better in 2006, but offense better in 2024. However, when you go to subs, 2024 wins. Sanborn is LB3, Terrell Smith is CB4, Owens is S3, Pickens is DT3, and Booker or Walker are Edge3. So the 2024 depth is better. Edge - 2024. In 1987, The Bears had the 9th highest scoring offense and 4th highest scoring defense. Payton was 34 yrs old and was outrushed by Neal Anderson. McMahon only played 6 games. The leading WR was Gault with 35 receptions, McKinnon was 2nd with 27. Emery Moorehead at age 33 had 24 receptions to lead TEs. The 2024 offense is much better on paper right now. The defense in 1987 was still elite with Marshall, Dent, Singletary, McMichael, Perry, Wilson, Hampton, Duerson, Gayle, and Bell. The 1987 defense has the edge, but the current secondary is probably better as the CBs were not good in 1987. Considering the declining offense, 2024 looks to have the edge here too. So you really have to go back to 1985 when the Bears had the #2 offense and #1 defense to find a team, on paper, top to bottom with the quality of players compared to this 53-man roster. Obviously 1985 is the gold standard when it comes to complete teams, but that was only 3 teams in between that really stack up to the current roster. Am I crazy or is that a valid observation?

agree 100% I was watching the Green Bay game from last year yesterday and it was so maddening to see him hang on to the ball (again). Justin is a hell of an athlete, but I just don't think he has what it takes to be a successful QB in the NFL.

It's difficult to believe (and painful to remember) that just two years ago before Poles began transforming the team, we were considered to have one of the worst roster of players in the league. We were laughed at, and unfortunately, rightfully so. What a difference with Poles as our GM!

I would venture to say it was Bill Polian that put his Midas touch on the franchise that led George to hire Poles. But you are right, as Poles is actually doing the work.

Fields always had a nice deep ball. He is not having to read defenses, and there is no threat to get hit. Once that happens, his brain locks up. If it is his first read and he has time, he can make the pass. Everything else, including MoF throws, he struggles with. I saw a video of a slant pass. No pass rushers, no LBs sitting, so it looks easy. I wish him the best, but nothing says he has improved more than when we saw him last.

Scott is getting better, remember he dropped a few last year. Now he is catching but still falling down. Hopefully he can put it all together, catch the ball and stay on his feet.

From Warren Sharp. He just posted his secondary rankings and the Bears come in at #4. He had the Bears WR Corps at #3, the O-Line at #12 and the Front Seven at #21. So the average of those 4 units is #10. So I don't know what you think of Caleb Williams, the Bears RBs, Santos and Taylor, but they are all at least top half of the league. So saying the Bears have a top 10 roster is not a stretch at all. The Bears also have the 3rd easiest schedule. So if you have the #10 roster and are playing the 3rd easiest schedule, that has to make you a top 8 team right? It is just simple math. That is a 10-11 win team. So projections having the Bears with double digit wins is not that far fetched.

A good QB makes every WR look better. Also the OL will look better because of a better release time. Im an optimist and think this is all going to click early. Bear fans are reluctant because of our history. Our history changed the day Poles got here.

Absolutely going to happen. He may not not start but will easily play more than Wilson thru the year.