Lucky Luciano
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11 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
But there were guys open all over, especially in the middle of the field, and Fields looks at them, sometimes more than once and cant pull the trigger.in my opinion fields missed st. brown at LEAST twice for huge gains/TD. the guy was wide open downfield. another time with mooney downfield wide open.
i don't know if st. brown has some kind of invisibility cloak or what but those were the throws that should have been made.
i also see fields scrambling out of the pocket on a couple of plays for no reason. he was getting good blocking.
zero TD's in a game like this especially with the fantastic field position the bears had throughout the game is certainly not anything to brag about.
as far as fields goes? i want to see him the rest of the season to make a real determination, but from what i have seen so far, the ceiling of his future career is he is an average to good qb at best. NOT elite in anything i have seen.
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6 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
MHJ is great and all - but I am not using a #1 pick on a wideout. Or quite frankly any player other than a QB. So if I am not taking a QB, I am trading down.
i agree but i would add this to a #1 pick... offensive left tackle and a killer sack machine defensive end.
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OK, my evaluation of this guy...
if he were from a large college program and drafted in the top 5 everyone, media and fans, would be gushing/touting how good he is and how good his progress is going.
three games he has played in the regular season and to me it is astounding as to how poised, accurate and smart of a player this kid is. he is looking at the field as a seasoned qb would. he is processing information in an astounding rate for a rookie. the int's? of course they are going to happen. what would matter to me is with a season of starts how he improves at reading the defense at a pro level. i think he could do it.
i really don't see the criticism on how weak an arm he has. the ball gets there in a hurry. he is hitting receivers in stride. his long balls are a matter of timing but they are certainly accurate. can he kneel on the 50 yd line and throw a ball through the goal posts? no. but with experience he can hit the receivers 20-30+ yds downfield. that is enough for me.
how many qb's have we seen with these super arms fail because of the mental processing at an nfl level?
i am seeing a kid who is not just a good backup but a GOOD+ to VERY GOOD+ starting qb in the nfl within the next 5 years.
whether he pans out or not i think the potential of this kid is the moon.
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14 hours ago, killakrzydav said:
Cheating and stealing isn't the same thing geez man
in professional and in collegiate sports it is stealing.
PROFESSIONAL: like belly he cheated with the pats. he STOLE money right out of other players, coaches and franchise owners pockets. he replaced deserving teams a possible playoff birth including a superbowl. these are extra game paydays for each player and coach (possible bonus money). it also robs them of commercial endorsements which could be worth millions. so HIM and the entire organization profited by cheating. you can add to that the money lost by the effected franchise's home town during these playoff games and or superbowl appearance. it also would reach into the millions for lost revenue.
that is stealing in anybodies book.
COLLEGIATE: by whatever method he used to cheat and defraud college football he cost the school's he played against cash money through bowl game money and player acquisitions in the future. by winning games and bowls he enhanced the recruiting of future players to come to his school. the spotlight and recognition of other teams players in regards to possible draft status could have cost the players millions upon reaching the nfl draft.
that is stealing from your peers.
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1 hour ago, OmahaBear said:
CRAZY Huh.. I might be in the minority, but I have no desire for Harbaugh to be our next coach. Don't particularly like the guy.
i am with you on that.
i don't think he has all of his kinnicks. add to that he is a cheater which relates to me as a thief. he has stolen from his peers.
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12 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
8 years ago id take Belichick all day, but he's not gonna coach for that much longer.
I think he has it in him, he knows how to win, but his roster is currently depleted, i think he could build another winner. I just dont know how many years he is gonna coach for.any coach can look excellent if you have a HOF qb in brady for nearly 20 years and a HOF candidate in bledsoe for 2 before that (even that idiot mike mccarthy from the packers).
add to that if you cheat and get away with it for nearly that entire time line in new england to win divisions and SB's it gives you the 'apparent' look of success that you don't deserve.
look at his resume before new england. that is the proof in the pudding.
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11 hours ago, Daventry said:
The man did a lot in his life to even get to the point of being considered for a head coaching position in the NFL.
what he accomplished as a player is totally deserved. he was a great player. as a coach? not so much.
Again, the list of people who have been considered for head coaching positions is much shorter than the list of people who have opinions about football and coaches.
there are dozens + of coaches considered for HC jobs that are terrible head coaches. just in recent memory coaches related to chicago... abe giibron, mike ditka, buddy ryan, dave wanstedt, dick jauron, marc tressman, matt nagy, rod marinelli.
if not for begging halas for a job would he have ever even been considered as a HC after 9 years in dallas? i doubt it.
if you want to judge a career you have to consider all the facts. what did he do in chicago once ryan left and the finks talent got older? what coaching talent did he bring in or recommend to management? what did he do with the new player talent that came into chicago once mcmahon and walter were gone? other than brow beat his players AND the coaches on the sidelines and in the media it was very little. then consider his career in new orleans as HC/GM. what a complete disaster that showed how really flawed this guy was as a HC and a GM.
so no, i don't think he was even a good HC let alone a great one.
It is easy to have an opinion, the old saying that everyone has one springs to mind. Criticising accomplished people and dismissing them entirely is not a reflection of reality.
it IS a reflection on reality to make real judgements on what you actually see and hear in REAL time in real life with real people and not media hype BS or some SNL skit.
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2 hours ago, Daventry said:
I read your post superficially, which was more than your posts deserved. You criticise extensively with no real facts, just your views.
I could waste my time refuting your opinions, but I have better things to do.
The results speak for themselves. The facts are irrefutable.
if you don't even read it closely why waste my time and the rest of the people viewing this?
what results are refutable? he was a HC that got one superbowl ring?
real facts? of course i don't have real facts. riddle me this... how is that even possible to have facts in this discussion? it's MY opinion like it or not.
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16 minutes ago, madlithuanian said:
Could have been better w/ Buddy. Also, could have been worse. We will never know. All I know, is it's nice. I like it. And I like characters. Everyone involved in 85 virtually was a character. Ditka, Ryan, JImmy, Walter, Danimal, Singletary, Dent, Mongo, Otis, Wilbur, Gary, Fast Willie, Butler, Suhey... Those guys made it fun. There's nothing fun about the current Bears. Let me enjoy my nostalgia. :) If I'm pissy about our best season ever...why the F even care now?
if we had hired ryan as HC it would have ended in failure like his other gigs IMO. some guys just don't cut it as HC's but make stellar co-ordinators.
i look at 85 as us winning a SB in spite of ditka. i didn't know it at the time but watching him fail for 5 straight years was enough to show me he was so over rated as a coach it wasn't funny. the crazy antics he pulled on the team post 85 was ridiculous. he was in it for the money and ego for sure in those years.
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7 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
We dont have to debate Ditka as a coach. I think he was a great motivator, but i will agree he wasnt an Xs and Os genius.
But the point I was making is that the McCaskeys didnt ever hire a coach with a big personality after him.
Coaches like Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, Chuck Knoll, Jimmy Johnson and many others in the hall of fame willed their teams to victory. Players were afraid to cross them or perform poorly, and the right kind of players are highly motivated to perform for them.
The opposite would be coaches who try to be the players' friends, like Trestman, Nagy and Eberflus. They never have success.
I'm asking whether the ownership of this team will allow the hiring of a head coach with the fiery personality necessary to bring a culture of accountability. I suspect this is one of the root causes of our decades of continued ineptitude.
Would they hire a coach like Jim Harbaugh or Deion Sanders? I think without a strong leader who walks the walk on the accountability, you end up with a lot of talk about HITS philosophy, but the product on the field is sloppy and unfocused.
I'm also sick to death of the alternative to strong coaching. Thd idea that we are going to outsmart the entire league with new plays no one has thought of before. It's nonsense. Winning football teams pick up 3 yards on the ground when everyone in the stadium knows the run is coming. Without that, all the fancy new age crap will get you nowhere.
And if you've been watching the last 30 years, you've got to see that by now.i agree with almost all you said.
the mccaskey's have been a detriment since muggs halas died and isn't much, if any, better now. we put up with mikey for over 20 years of abject failure that dragged this team into the garbage.
i don't like harbaugh much. i think he is about half baked but if they brought him in and he wins i would support that. imo i really think he's nuts. sanders? i don't know. not enough experience as a coach yet?
whatever kind of coach we get HAS to hold the players and assistants accountable. that i do agree on. i have been touting an offensive HC for a long, long time. then trestman comes in and nagy. yikes, i don't know what to think anymore. seems like other teams get the gold and we get the shaft. ownership has really helped that case along.
by the way, nearing 60 years as a fan. butkus brought me into the nfl fold.
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23 minutes ago, Daventry said:
PS-Buddy Ryan really tore the league up with success during his head coaching career didn’t he? Oh yes, I forgot, that was someone else’s fault.
uhhh... didn't you read my previous post? you can say ANYTHING you want about ryan being a HC. he was terrible. but nobody can take away his DC ability as a freaking genius.
QuoteHow no credit at all be given to the HC of arguably the most entertaining and dominant Super Bowl winners of all time is beyond me. All of the criticisms are subjective. How about we judge results for a change? Or do we want to keep blaming outside forces for success or failure? Justin sucks because of coaching right? Give me a break.
credit for what? pounding square pegs into round holes with a sledge hammer and 'being tough'?? so what if he was a disciplinarian. ANY mediocre coach could have surpassed his accomplishments with the talent on that team. his ranting on young players on the sidelines AND in the media is no help developing players at all. his my way or the highway? it's laughable.
he might have gotten away with it with some of the strong personality vets because they knew enough just to ignore him. but young developing players? not so much.
everyone knew his main objective was the almighty dollar. how do you think that played out to a team like that? do you think some of them figured if he's doing it i might as well too? that's losing focus on what you are there for.
quite frankly he was an idiot that had no real qualifications to be an OC let alone a HC to anyone besides GSH who probably hired him because that's ALL he ever hired as coaches was former bear players or former bear coaches. plus dika probably was hire for pennies on the dollar by halas.
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13 minutes ago, madlithuanian said:
Spot on.
Though Ditka deserves credit. Not accolades. But it was under his watch, If we blast jabronis like Eberflus, Trestmen, etc. Then we must be consistent and give credit. He was mediocre as a coach. But his personality instilled a level of respect by fear or something else...that worked.
i have to respectfully disagree. he doesn't deserve credit, he just got it from the media for that ONE superbowl. if it was a fair evaluation he squandered the talent on that team with his stubborn nonsense (just ONE example... can you say flutie?).
on the defensive side the players paid absolutely no attention to ditka. it was ryans show completely. that is why they put him on their shoulders after superbowl XX. there were two head coaches there until ryan left (ryan actually hated ditka and it showed).
even jim mcmahon thought ditka was an idiot. he just had the balls to tell ditka to stuff it and do it his way. speaking of mcmahon, his attitude brought the whole team up and got them fired up more than ditka ever did (maybe a hampton exception LOL).
after XX ditka was more interested in making a dollar and making the talk shows than winning another one. he gets no credit from me.
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17 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
Mike Ditka willed his Bears to legendary status. The McCaskeys hated it. This is why we've hired polite and political competence ever since. if we had a Buddy Ryan, we might have been able to draft and control Jalen Carter. etc.
ditka was a terrible coach. he was a DETRIMENT rather than an asset. without buddy ryans defensive genius he would have gone nowhere even with all the HOF/pro-bowl talent jim finks drafted. jim finks left because GSH (decades past any modern NFL competence), forced ditka as the head coach on finks.
with all the talent ditka had, he let his ego, bluster and all-me attitude run this team into the ground. one superbowl with the quality talent he had to work with was criminal. throw in a complete imbecile in mike mccasky trying to play genius GM, they screwed us out of at LEAST 1-3 more superbowl rings.
jim finks and venessi sp? along with buddy ryan (a defensive genius and HORRIBLE head coach) are the reason we even won ONE superbowl. ditka was just a distraction.
if mugs halas hadn't died we never would have seen ditka in chicago.
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8 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
Never want to see players get injured but I have to admit I really like that loss of the 1st Rd pick.
i usually don't either but this guy is a waste of oxygen as a human being. whatever bad karma he gets he deserves.
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couldn't happen to a better player and a better franchise.
too bad - LOL
also i believe it stops the packers from the jets first round pick which rogers had to start so many games. another LOL
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6 hours ago, AZ54 said:
That included late in the game when we should have been running plays with urgency.
this bothered me also. we should have been in a hurry-up offense nearly the entire 2nd half. the huddle up and meander to the LOS in the position they were in was ludicrous. where was our elite WR? this guy is a player yet all we do is throw these dink and dunk passes that do nothing to put us back into the game.... uhhh, what a hot mess
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10 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Just need to say, F Justin. He is not QB.
the next four games will decide where we go from here.
this is sad if it doesn't work out because i like fields. he's a nice kid and he works as hard as any player i have seen to become better. i just don't think it is going to happen anymore. he has all the tools except one, the ability to process information in 3D quickly enough. i really hope i am wrong about this.
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this is as bad as any game last season.
i don't know if getsy is calling the garbage we saw or if it's a check down from fields. whatever the case this dink and dunk crap is an absolute joke. when you are down like they were and you can't even open up the field with some downfield passes speaks volumes.
fields will get about 4 more games to turn this around. personally i don't think he can. i don't think he is processing information fast enough to even be an above average qb let alone a franchise qb. i don't know about his accuracy because we never throw it further than 5 yds.
by week 10 we will see bagette so we know where we are drafting a qb next season.
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is ANY unit playing professional football today?
it's deja' vu all over again. maybe we can get the first AND second pick in the draft
DISGUSTING
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6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
It's about as a good a job of QBing as you can have. I don't think he has a long ball though. Hes a great option as QB2, but if he had a stronger arm, he'd be a top NFL QB immediately.
i don't have access to rewatch the game but from memory this is what i saw...
very quick reads and very quick release. he knew where the ball was supposed to go and put it there without hesitation on target. that tells me he is processing information at high caliber nfl quarterback speed (SUPER important if you are going to become an elite qb). the ball came out like a laser with plenty of zip to targets that were 8-12 yards downfield. that says to me he has at least a reasonably strong arm.
his accuracy was absolutely exceptional. if i remember right he threaded the needle on a play over the middle with two defenders closing on the receiver.
if there is concern over throwing downfield, i am not sure that is a problem. IF it is... with quick reads, release and accuracy he could tap a receiver in stride at the 10-20 yards downfield mark for big gains. the safeties would HAVE to compensate for the quick throws to speedy receivers thus not stacking the box.
for hail mary's? how many do you throw in a season that would make it worthwhile to put a starting caliber qb on the bench? even then if the world knows you are throwing one put in your backup with the arm and let him throw the hail mary.
again, this is conjecture on my part at this early stage. there is not enough data 'yet' but from as little time as this kid has had to practice with this team and coaches and top that off with only two games under his belt against nfl quality players i am currently very impressed. he must absorb information at a high level and be very coachable to even play this well against 2nd string D's.
IF he continues to shine he could be pushing fields for a starting position in a year.
as stinger mentioned, could this turn out to be our tom brady of the future? a very good comparison.
Is he too young and limited for QB2? I dunno, I'd throw the dice with him.
i am with you on this. physically he is the perfect height and weight for an nfl qb.
i don't think this guy stays or even makes it to the practice squad if he continues to play as he has. i would take my chances on him rather than the cannon fodder we have shown in the past. every other team will be thinking of SF and their rookie last season to jump on board with this guy.
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i thought the kid looked very good. i know it's preseason and all but bagent had quick reads and the ball was out like a laser. he was also very very accurate. great composure and ran the huddle well.
this kid looked like a 5 year vet out their instead of a tier 2 walk on. if what i saw tonight keeps up in pre season this kid is a keeper and might be hard to keep on the practice squad before someone takes him.
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1 hour ago, adam said:
Though he got some tough yards, he was a terribly inefficient RB. A career 3.9 YPC, which annually put him between 30th-40th for RBs. Great person,
here is the deal.... we had NO offensive line. we had NO passing game that ANYONE was afraid of. monty was lining up mostly with a stacked 8+ in the box defense that KNEW all they had to do was stop the running game.
i'm sorry but in my opinion he was worth WAY more than a mere $6mil to this team. now we have yet ANOTHER hole to fill and will either have to pay more than monty got or hope a draft pick can do half the stuff he did.
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i think this was a mistake. we had a tough rb who could drag a pile, catch very well and more important he was a good+ blocker for fields. he was familiar with the system and went cheap.
this was a step back for protecting fields.
NFL officiating... is the fix in?
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1. shaving points to appease las vegas and online gambling?
2. shaving points to create certain matchups the NFL wants to see in the playoffs and superbowls which garner the NFL corporation higher monetary income?
3. planned rule incompetence by the NFL where league game rules make every play optional to throw or not throw a flag by every official (and the call is justified) to create more interest and money for team markets?
4. individual officials intending to throw games or shave points for their own monetary gains?
5. complete and utter incompetence by the NFL in hiring these part time employee's taking away the spotlight from other NFL corp. problems or policies?
6. NFL corporation, a multi billion dollar business, is too CHEAP to hire full-time COMPETENT professional officials to regulate games?
case example: last nights packers vs KC game.
1. extremely poor call of PI against the chiefs. a chiefs receiver barely touches a defender and in no way possible is this offensive pass interference. yet the call is made. this kills a first down and drive by KC and literally takes away a possible score from the chiefs in packer territory.
2. not one but TWO missed calls of PI against green bay in the closing seconds of the game.
a) the one was incredibly obvious inside the 10 yd line. with the official less than 10 yards away, looking right at the receiver being manhandled and knocked down before the pass even gets to him, he calls it an incomplete pass. anybody who has ever watched a football game in their life gets that call right. pass interference, first and goal. yet.... nothing.
b) same final series... hail mary into the endzone. kelse going up for the reception gets PUSHED from behind and ends up on the ground. CLEARLY pass interference. ball should be on the one yard line first and goal.
these officials should be getting their final paycheck along with the pink slip this morning and the league should be investigating these officials for gambling or other crimes.
it's becoming obvious to the fans (even to the slow witted ones) that there is something rotten in Denmark. does some, or all-of-the-above, ring true that this sport is turning into all star wrestling and each game has a high percentage of having a predictable outcome? wouldn't it be nice if you went to vegas with a guaranteed 70% chance of knowing what slot the roulette ball will bounce into? of course it would.
yet right now, officials are major factors in who wins and who loses each and every game in the NFL. it's like having the 12th man on the field for whatever team these individuals or entities wish to win. making the wrong (right) call during a game at critical junctures or not making a call at critical junctures is all too common of an occurrence to be just randomly poor officiating.
i have watched multiple games over the last few decades (every single week if you watch) where a single obvious call or non-call determines who wins and loses. the calls i am talking about are clearly seen by the officials who are standing only a few feet away and looking right at the infraction or non-infraction. unless they are legally blind it just doesn't add up as random poor calls. thus 'is the fix in?' does the NFL just think fans are too stupid to see it or even care?
ask yourself, why are officials not hired full time? why do they do this in their spare time while working at other jobs? why are officials not held accountable for their poor officiating? like being fired by the NFL and investigated after the game. makes ya wonder doesn't it?
there needs to be some investigative reporting done on this to hold the league responsible.