DrunkBomber

Thank you for bringing logic.

Im not talking about Grossman at all and you keep going back to it. Why, seriosuly? What is the point of bringing up Grossman when were talking about a specific play in a game Grossman didnt play in?

For you two rocket scientists to say it shouldnt count on his stats because Forte dropped it is a joke. Its not like it was a good pass, it was a bad pass that was a sure touchdown if thrown correctly. Instead Forte has to stop and adjust to catch with a linebacker running at him. He isnt a WR. The pass being under is just as much a reason for it being picked off as it being dropped but all of a sudden it shouldnt count against Orton? It was a terrible throw and it got picked off, its Ortons fault.

What the freak does an Orton pass have to do with Grossman you dumbass? Im talking about Orton.

an int is an int, if it isnt under thrown it is a td

Because hes a good coach, Im sure he can work out something with our personnel.

I know it was dropped. Its on Forte too, but he actually tried to say it shouldnt count as an int when factoring Ortons stats.

Here, its 2:00 minutes in http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights He had about 3 yards lead on his man and actually had to STOP and wait for the ball.

Well I wasnt the only one who thought that, I guess were all crazy.

Orton wasnt avoiding the rush much today. Listen, youre not going to change my mind on Grossman which is why I just keep saying its my opinion and trying to move on. Im saying that Orton looked terrible.

I know its no excuse. It pissed me off too watching the d basically go through the motions at the end and strap it on. Im just saying it didnt help that they were on the field for more than 2/3s of the 4th quarter and another what, 10 min of overtime? For what theyre paid they should absolutely be in better shape. I just think this loss is on the playcalling and the offense, mainly Orton.

He wouldnt have to run a 3-4. Im sure he could work something out with our personnel.

Basically Griese got to sit back and pick apart a defense that he is very familiar with. he knew those slants would be there and he exposed it and Babich did nothing to his gameplan to stop it.

I get that you argue with Bears 88 about this a lot and he handles it much differently than me, but seriously, youre acting just like he does. Im stating my OPINION and I get a sarcastic, right, cuz if he was in we would go 14-2. Its my opinion that the past 2 games could have been won if we could hit a man deep. I think Grossman can do that. We lost two games where we had 10+ point leads with less than 5 minutes left and I think we should be 3-0 and all of a sudden Im saying we would be 14-2? This past game, Orton made too many mistakes. Id rather see Hanie in there then him.

No, it was underthrown

No, I said Orton sucks and I dont want to turn this into a Rex debate. I did say IMO I think hes better but I also said I was talking about Orton. I dont think either is the answer but to hear someone criticize Rex and defend Orton is a joke. Orton sucks, bad. It has nothing to do with Grossman. My opinion about Grossman isnt going to change which is why Im not debating it, Im pointing out the hypocrisy.

they had 4 takeaways and one of the buccs tds was defensive.

Ya, including 4:59 in the 4th quarter...you know, when the defense broke down? Our offense couldnt even keep the ball for 1/3 the time in the 4th quarter. In the beginning of the game when,when we were running it and keeping our defense off the field they werent scoring much, except that int for a td of course.

So you dont think Orton under throws WRs? In the bad way...

Let me guess, AP is better than Forte too?

OK, Orton is awesome and our defense sucks. We should have had 30 points by half time but Orton sucks, seriously. This isnt about Grossman, its about Orton.

They were on the field too much.

Because they were exhausted