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Just one suggestion, if you have not already done this. Near the top right, you will see an options button. Under that, I believe you see "display" and below that "outline". Click on that. You may or may not like it, but the outline view is FAR more similar to what we had at the old board.
It seems this collapsed thread (outline) display on the Talkbears forum is the one issue that has cost us the most as far as posters from the old Bearstalk migrating over to this forum. I know I miss it very much myself.
I have gone back a few times and viewed the old site and the site that the owners of the old site are transferring posters to. You will see a few posters saying this site sucks and is not for them. When I email them they almost always mention they do not like the collapsed thread mode. Even some of the posters who did come over to TalkBears from BearsTalk (in addition to TD) have said they do not post as much because they do not like the outline mode.
We have to remember that hundreds of posters who went to the old site went there for many reasons. Most because of the great group of fans we had there. However some joined because they liked the linear threads.
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Lloyd,
I have deleted your salary cap post as you requested.
I showed you no disrespect. I received your email Monday. I worked M-S of this week, this is my first day off since getting your email. I do not check my email daily, but I see it was dated the 12th. Every day this week I got up at 4:30 AM and left the house for work by 5:30 AM. Every day I returned to my home between 6:45 & 7:15 PM. Back to bed between 8 & 8:30 PM. I took awhile trying to figure out today just how to delete a post, finally found all the Admin options and deleted your post. First time I had to use these controls.
I truly do not understand why you are upset. You explained it to me in the email & you have posted your opinions on the forum. Still does not make sense to me. There is a poll up to get feedback from the users of the site as to how they would like the forums to be structured. I am sure when the results are in there will be some changes made. It appears that many (16 out of 20) want just about everything NFL related left in the Bearstalk forum 8 wanting the NFL forum closed entirely.
So if you feel disrespected because I did not take time to interrupt my hectic schedule to delete your article, I do not apologize. I did the best I could for you. If you feel slighted because an admin promised you a poll in 2 hrs and it took 12, well, maybe that admin had good reason. The main thing is he did what he said, he posted a poll. It wasn't until recent that anyone really raised much objection. It was clearly time to get feedback. We are getting it. Adjustments will be made if warranted. ALL admins do care about what our posters opinions.
You want respect. Well so do I. Everyone here does. Most everyone here shows respect for each other. We are a community as nfo said, or a family as I have always referred to the forum. If you do not feel that way then you are missing out on something special. I feel sorry for you.
I will not get into the reasons for the move or the details involved. I have gone into that before. I will say that no one was lied to. No one was misled. If there was any misrepresentation I assure you it was unintentional. The move was absolutely necessary. Many made it over. Most decided they liked it enough to stay and give it a try. Some did not like it and left. I hope you stay. It's your choice.
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The Bears can always use those as throw-ins to move up a couple spots in the earlier rounds.
You can not trade a compensatory pick.
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I think a key question is, how much do Angelo and Lovie want to push the development of Hester and Bradley.
I know what everyone here thinks, and I am in the same camp. While I would like to see the development of them, I do not want to go into the year 'counting on' either. To me, counting on either of the two is similar to counting on a rookie WR. Yea, they are not rookies, but as raw as they were at WR coming out of college, I think many rookie WRs are actually as, if not more, polished.
W/ all that said, the more WRs we add, the deeper Hester/Bradley will be pushed down the list. We can talk about competition until we are blue in the face, but I doubt Booker will face serious competition, and ditto if we signed Jackson. In Lloyd, I think we very much still have competition for that spot.
Anyway, I would like to do it, but if Angelo and Lovie see this as sort of a make or break year for Bradley, and a career defining year for Hester, I can see them planning to give each big time PT, and thus passing on some of the WRs still out there: Jackson, Hackett, B.Johnson.
I understand your point and agree to an extent, but do you want Bradley and Hester to be handed the starting positions or have to compete for them with the best WR winning the starting job? If Bradley and Hester are ready to be productive WRs in the NFL, let them prove it on the field. It is not like we are bringing in Randy Moss and Terrell Owens for them to compete with.
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On the website FootballsFuture.com there is an interesting article/post from a guy who likes to make this prediction every year entitled Projecting the 2008 Compensatory Picks. He is saying he projects the Bears will get 3 7th round picks. Interesting information on how the picks are awarded.
3 7th rounders would be nice. Every year there are players every team are rushing to sign because they feel they could be worth a tryout but were not drafted. This would give the Bears a chance on taking a flyer on 3 of those players without having to compete for them after the draft is over. Never know what you may find.
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I'd take him in a second. He has shown that he can play at a high level with 3x 1,000 yard seasons and 5 seasons with 6 or more TDs. He is 29, so he definitely has a few more good years left in the tank.
He would be an upgrade over Berrian and Moose as well.
This would be a huge pickup. It would also allow the Bears to concentrate on other needs in the draft.
I would go for Darrell Jackson as well. Not sure if he would be an upgrade, but certainly would be a good option for our O.
Others I would not mind seeing (assuming they were cheap cheap) are DJ Hackett, Eric Moulds, & Peerless Price.
Still need to draft a WR to develop, the key word is develop. How many rookie WRs actually contribute much year one.
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I don't get it. Would we get the draft pick and/or money from San Fran? Or would they just be penalized?
My understanding is if the case goes to the NFL they may lose a draft pick &/or be fined but the Bears would get nothing.
However, I also understand that the 49ers could settle with the Bears before it is heard by the NFL.
Exactly what the 49ers would give us to avoid it going to the NFL? Guess it depends if they feel they would lose the case and what they feel the NFL would do if they found on the side of the Bears.
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Article from Chicago Sun-Times by Brad Biggs:
Dollars and sense: A look at numbers in recent contractsPicked up the specific contract details for a few of the Bears’ recent extensions. Wide receiver Marty Booker will officially sign his contract today at Halas Hall after completing a physical.
Tight end Desmond Clark received a $2 million signing bonus as part of his two-year extension that has him under contract through 2010. Clark received a $475,000 roster bonus on March 2. He has a base salary of $1 million for each of the next three seasons with roster bonuses of $475,000 to be paid in 2009 and 2010. So Clark’s two-year extension generated $4.95 million in new money for him with $2.475 million guaranteed.
Defensive end Alex Brown’s two-year extension was as reported. He received a $5 million signing bonus and will have a base salary of $5 million in 2010 and $5.5 million in 2011. That means $5 million was guaranteed with $15.5 million total in new money.
Quarterback Rex Grossman picked up a $1 million signing bonus with his one-year contract. He will receive a $500,000 workout bonus and get a base salary of $1.5 million. There is an additional $1.5 million available in not likely to be earned incentives. Those incentives are triggered by four mechanisms: play time, play time plus playoffs, play time plus 20 touchdown passes and play time plus a completion percentage.
Quarterback Kyle Orton signed a one-year extension through 2009. He received a $1.4 million signing bonus with a $100,000 workout bonus and a base salary of $1.3 million for this season. In 2009, Orton will earn $620,000 in base pay with another $100,000 workout bonus. He can trigger $1.5 million in additional payment in the form of bonuses and an escalator through the same mechanisms in place for Grossman.
Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd signed a one-year contract for the minimum-salary benefit. He receives a $40,000 workout bonus and will earn base pay of $605,000, but count only $485,000 vs. the salary cap.
Next up could be a contract for kicker Robbie Gould.
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I think the Cardinals want him to redo his contract, not the other way around.
When I read:
The Cardinals still hold out hope of reaching a new deal with Fitzgerald or having him play out the rest of his contract, according to The Arizona Republic report.It sounds to me Fitz is wanting the new deal, it says the Cards would be willing to have him play out his contract, that does not sound to me that it was the Cards asking for a redo of the contract.
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Fitzgerald, 24, is scheduled to make $14.6 million in 2008 and $17.4 million in 2009, the final year of his contract. Cardinals general manager Rod Graves has adamantly stated that Fitzgerald will remain with the Cardinals.
My Lord, you mean this guys is due to make 32 million dollars over the next 2 years and he is wanting to redo his contract? I am sorry, but this is getting totally insane!
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Angelo's made 4 GREAT moves this offseason. Briggs was reasonable, while Booker & Lloyd were down-right cheap. Not over-paying for Berrian is his 4th great move.
Good point, 4 Great Moves, then add 8 more:
Extension of Rex Grossman at a very reasonable contract
Extension of Kyle Orton cheap
Extension of D Clark
Extension of A Brown
Cut B Griese
Cut F Miller
Cut Moose
Cut D Walker
For those wanting to kick Angelo's ass, I personally think he is doing a good job and I am sure he is far from finished!
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Who is this Josh Johnson I keep hearing?
From Fantasy Insider Online:
Scouting Report: Josh Johnson (San Diego 1-AA)Written by Adam Allen
Posted on 1/22/2008
Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego (1-AA) (Senior)
Height: 6’3”
Weight: 200 lbs
Bench: DNP
40 Time: 4.44
Vertical: 33.5
GRADE:
POSITIVES
• Unbelievable stats (113 TD’s with only 15 INT’s in his career)
• Ridiculous senior season (138.7 Passer Rating / 43 TDs / 1 INT)
• Special playmaker as a runner
• Excellent pocket presence
• Great record (only lost 4 games over the last three seasons)
• Strong arm, but has great touch and accuracy when needed
• Tall, long and very athletic
• Coached by Jim Harbaugh for three years (ex-NFLer and current Stanford HC)
• Looked good in the Shrine Game versus 1-A prospects
NEGATIVES
• How would he have fared against 1-A opponents?
• Needs to add a little weight for the next level
ANALYSIS
Everyone has their sleepers – here’s mine Johnson’s passer rating, winning pedigree and career completion percentage can tell you a lot about his skills. Yet, he is even more spectacular as a runner. Granted, coming from a 1-AA school, Johnson will not be in the same class as the big guns, but someone will notice his skills and take a shot on him in the 2nd or 3rd Round. This kid could be special.
Be sure to check out all the Scouting Report Player Profiles in FIO’s 2008 NFL Draft: Top 100
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Yep, I agree, he has had far greater success on defense than offense.
I think every GM has their strenghts and weaknesses. JA has done an excellent job picking up defensive players, resigning our better players to extensions, managing the cap, day two draft picks, .....
He has done pretty bad drafting first round and developing offense.
He did however take a team that really really sucked and got us to the Super Bowl. We lost, but we got there and I have no doubt we will return.
I feel last year was more of an abberation than reality. I do not think I have ever seen the Bears suffer so many injuries to starters on defense as we did last year. Our offensive line all of a sudden went from being a very strong unit in 2006 to crap in 2007, something I do not think any of us expected and I am sure Angelo & Smith did not either. With the OL playing as bad as it did there was no way we were going to have a successful running game. We could also not expect our QBs to play very good while getting killed by pass rushers coming through in many cases untouched. If a QB has no protection, guess you can not expect WRs to look great as far as numbers go either.
I think if we can stay reasonably healthy and fix our OL, we are in a lot better shape than many believe. We are no where near as bad as we looked in 2007.
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It would appear we have some posters here that should change their username to
"Chicken Little". Man, we have so much time before the Draft, FA has just started, teams will be making trades and cutting players, we have what, 6 - 7 months left before the season starts?
Bears fans, rest assured, the sky is not falling, Jerry Angelo & Lovie Smith are well aware we need to pick up some WRs, and know all the weaknesses of the Bears that need filling, they know which players they need to keep on the team through extensions, they know what our salary cap is and I am sure are going to do everything they can to get us ready for the 2008 season.
Maybe we should give them a chance to do their job. We will have plenty of time to judge their success later.
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Wish we would have been able to secure a higher pick however, knowing Griese is at the end of his journeyman career we at least get something for nothing.
I am amazed we got a trade done, period. It was obvious to everyone in the league we were going to cut him before the 300K bonus came into effect soon. We need to open up a spot for a QB in the draft to develop behind Rex & Kyle. Hopefully it turns out to be higher than a 6th or 7th but if not, well, something is definitely better than nothing.
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Agreed. Next to Washington, I think the Steelers are in the worst cap shape. Starks is 26, and so he could anchor the right side for years to come. That would fix a glaring whole in the Bear's line-up. Draft an offensive tackle in the 2nd round as a potential back-up, or even start him at LG for a year.
John St. Clair looked pretty good at LG for the last 3 games of the year. We could could do a lot worse then him as our starting guard.
I agree about St Clair. As a tackle he sucked IMO. However, it seemed that when he played at OG he found his calling. He was actually very impressive in that role and if given the reps at OG in preparation for 2008 he could be an excellent player for us in that position.
I am not sure on Starks. If he is only an option at ROT then I question the move because even though Tait is "ok" at LOT, his age is catching up to him and it might benefit him to move back to his natural position at ROT. The draft has some outstanding LOT prospects. I would hate to see the Bears pass up on one of these hard to find Gems.
I think to get Starks we would have to give him "starter" money, and if he started at ROT we would have Tait at LOT and if we drafted a stud LOT he would be on the bench for awhile, something you would not normally do with a top draft selection. I know it would give him time to develop. The other option would be, I guess, to trade Tait. He should fetch a decent return and good OLT/ORT veterans even at his age are valued by teams looking for solution to OL problems.
Is there a team in need of a player like Tait who is looking to trade a WR or RB that would be of interest to us?
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He isnt fast enough, but he was NDs return man? strange.
Not really knowing the guy I went to FootballsFuture.com and clicked on Combine Results, then on the link for Defensive Backs and found that Zbikowski was timed, on a fast track and ideal conditions, 4.52 for the 40.
I know nothing about the guy. Maybe he just had a bad day. If this is his typical speed, sounds like more of a strong safety for a traditional 4-3 defense. However, Mike Brown when healthy is a kick ass safety and he was never accused of being a speed merchant!
(4.52 is not really that bad when you look at the times of all the other safety prospects. He also had 24 reps, again, impressive for a safety.)
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In the Chicago Suntimes Article about the Briggs deal it gave a lot of interesting information.
First, Briggs accepted very close to what we originally offered him:
Briggs will receive $13 million guaranteed and $21.6 million over the first three years of the contract, the average of what he earned last season with the franchise tag. That total four-year total is consistent with what linebacker Adalius Thomas received last year from New England.The Chicago Tribune Article gave a different number on the contract:
The surprise six-year, $36 million contract with $12 million up front that Briggs hastily agreed to Saturday night should have been sealed with a handshake and a white flag. Quite simply, he caved.Briggs' total surrender capped two years of avoidable acrimony over a contract dispute that began when the linebacker turned down a $33 million, seven-year offer that doesn't look much different from the deal Briggs just signed.
It also appears according to the SunTimes we will also see some more contract extensions for the Bears in addition to working out a possible deal for Urlacher:
The Bears also have made the decision to start throwing more to Devin Hester. Money, that is. The team has held informal discussions with Hester's agent, Eugene Parker, about a new deal and it will move to the forefront along with efforts to extend the contracts of defensive tackle Tommie Harris, kicker Robbie Gould and, potentially, defensive end Mark Anderson. The idea is to ensure young core players are in place well beyond 2010.WR, yep we are still interested:
Bryant Johnson will arrive in Buffalo today for a visit and the Bears consider him a young Muhsin Muhammad who could be a ''Z'' receiver. They remain in contact with agent Joel Segal. Javon Walker is generating solid interest and Drew Carter, D.J. Hackett and David Patten are possibilities with the team expected to make receiver a higher priority in the draft. Carter will visit Oakland today before a trip to Tampa Bay.Bottom line, now that the wait to see what JA can do to keep Briggs/Berrian is over, I think JA will now be able to move forward.
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During the 2007 season every time he dropped a pass, and he dropped as many passes as his "wow" catches, everyone was screaming how we should get rid of the bum. When he missed blocking assignments there were posters wanting us to cut him. Now that the season is over the same posters want to give him #1 WR money or franchise him and make him a king.
The stupid thing would have been to overpay the guy. To be honest, I thought the Bears offered him too much as it was.
When we traded Booker many were pissed. What did he do in Miami?
When we lost Marcus Robinson to the Vikings many thought this was the end of the world, what did he do for Minny?
Both Booker and MRob were damn better WRs than Berrian.
If JA was, as you say, freakin stupid, for not franchising Berrian, thank God for stupidity, for I agree with JA all the way on this one, he was not worth a franchise tag and certainly not worth any where near what he signed for in Minny.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3271283
4 years, $32, with $23 guaranteed. Maybe I would not of liked us to get him...
If he were 25, 26, 27 years old maybe, but to pay that much for a 31 year old guard, well, some have said he is a kick butt OG and surely has 4 or 5 more good years left in the tank. Isn't that the same mentality that got the Bears into the pickle they are in now with their OL, ignoring age and thinking they were all just going to continue to play as they did in the past even though we had the oldest OL in the NFL?
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Yep, the press has been very harsh and I feel unfair in their coverage of the Bears, but I could make a good argument that some posters on this forum make the press look like they are blowing kisses when you listen to how they perceive the Bears. I am sorry, I just do not see the reason some are so damn negative about everything the Bears do or do not do that is not exactly what THEY want them to do. There are days I think I could visit forums for our division rivals and find more positive statements about the Bears than I read here. The old adage about is the glass half full or half empty does not apply here to many, it is not just half empty, it is empty and dry as a bone.
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Yeah, my head might just explode if he ends up in Minne. I would match ANY offer they give him, and hope he realizes he doesn't want to wear purple, play on turf, catch passes from Tavaris, and get his ass kicked by his former team twice a year.
Yes, I had the same knee-jerk reaction when I saw he was going to visit MIN but then Deja Vu - remember when we all panicked when Marcus Robinson left the Bears and went to Minny? Many of us, including myself, were bummed out thinking OMG how could the Bears have let this happen?
I would of loved to have Berrian back but have to agree with others who have posted, he wants far more than what he is worth. He may get it from another team who is willing to over pay for him, but I like the fact that the Bears are "cap" smart and we will need the money we have pooled to fill all the holes we want to resolve this off season.
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Polish Sausage here. Ready for tailgating. Have been away a while. Just found the new home.
Great to see you, welcome aboard!! Looks like this will be a very interesting off season. Happy to see you join us to discuss FA, the draft, contract extensions, etc...
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Orton agrees to one-year contract extension
By Larry Mayer
LAKE FOREST, Ill. – The Bears on Monday agreed to terms with quarterback Kyle Orton on a one-year contract extension through the 2009 season.
Orton is expected to compete for the starting job in training camp with Rex Grossman, who agreed to a one-year contract with the Bears on Saturday.
Seeing his first regular-season action in two years, Orton looked impressive while starting the final three games in 2007. The former Purdue star completed 43 of 80 passes for 478 yards with 3 touchdowns, 2 interceptions and a 73.9 passer rating.
Hackett signs w/Carolina
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You may be right. We picked up Booker and LLoyd, have Bradley & Hester who the Bears Brass are high in, and Haas who I would love to see get more reps. If we add a WR near the top of the draft and maybe another near the end of the draft I think we will be fine. Especially with us wanting Olsen to get more looks and Clark having such a good year in 2007.
Also, I am sure JA is expecting more WRs will be cut from teams between now and season startup. These WRs will come cheap as they will have little time to negotiate. Could be some good bargains there that are better than the ones we are looking at now.
I was high on picking up Hackett but he has had a lot of injury problems, we already are concerned about Bradley, who has great potential, but has had injury problems. I guess it makes sense not to pick up another WR with the same problems.