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1 vote for the smiley, 1 vote against the trade.
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Anyone that has Woodson as the #2 QB is a flipping idiot.
And anyone saying Flacco is not worth a first day pick is stupid IMO. I think he is definately worth a #2. I would never draft him in the first.
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I've listened to the SCORE from day 1 over 15 yrs ago. Hell, I remember when Buddy Ryan was the SCOREs football expert and he never watched any games. My listening habits have definately changed since then. I listen to both station off and on along with WLS. They both have there good and bad points - I simply change the channel when it gets out of hand.
Peace
I also have been a score head since day one. I remember when they shared a wave band with another station and you could only hear the score during the daytime. I was in heaven when they finally went 24/7.
Mike North has always been an idiot from day one. At first he was tolerable, IMO, and not nearly as radical and stupid as he is now. Over the years he has become more and more unbearable.
I still remember back in 2000. He was crazy over the reports of Sebastian Janikowski. He had him as a guest on the score and went around doing remotes with him at different polish deli locations.
When the draft came about that year he crucified the Bears GM, Coach, Ownership, etc... for not drafting Sebastian Janikowski #9 in the first round but instead drafting someone he described as an over hyped player without a legitimate position, guaranteed to be a wasted pick, when they could have drafted the player who would be an instant impact player for the team (Sebastian Janikowski).
Of course that wasted pick was Brian Urlacher.
I think that says it all about his football IQ.
A total clueless jerk.
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Done, Bears #1 then reversed the order of the leaders below the Bears.
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I came across a new site that really impresses me. How often do you find a draft site that gives a 7 round mock draft with "what if" scenerios and updates it's projection frequently getting readers inputs and adjusting team needs charts as the off-season progresses? That is what I found at
Draft Tek Sports Information Web Site.
There I found a 7 Round Draft Simulation that rocked. I did not necessarily agree with all the selections but found it to be one of the most credible mock drafts I have come across and am anxious to see the future updates to this mock as we progress through the free agency period and teams needs change as a result.
I hope you guys enjoy this site as much as I am!!
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I watched very little college football this year do to work, work, work....
I went to a couple of sites looking at the sleepers they have listed that had write-ups on the players (lists without some knd of breakdown on the player is meaningless to me for I do not even recognize the names, LOL).
Here are some I found on two sites. Do you guys have any to add I should be aware of? Angelo loves sleepers and small school prospects and has actually done well in this area of the later rounds.
2008 NFL Draft Sleepers (From Footballsfuture.com)Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
Johnson has put up amazing numbers at the Division I-AA level. He has been ridiculously efficient, throwing for 113 touchdowns to just 15 interceptions, while completing over 68% of his passes. He is an excellent athlete, that has the mobility to elude the rush and throw on the run, but is a legitimate threat with the ball in his hands as well. He has the arm to make all the throws and has been extremely accurate and productive throwing the football. He has only average size and will have to pack on some weight to his frame however. Johnson has not played against the greatest competition but he has the talent and has dominated at his level. With some time, he is a player that could definitely out play some of the bigger name QB’s from more well known schools.
Tim Hightower, RB, Richmond
Hightower was a solid all around back his first three years as a Spider, but he took it to another level this past season. He ran for 1,924 yards and 20 touchdowns on the ground, but also added 32 receptions for 228 yards and three touchdowns as a receiver. The 225lber can run it between the tackles and does not go down easily. He runs with authority and is decisive in his cuts with the ability to make the first defender miss. Hightower has also proven to be a real weapon as a receiver out of the backfield. His size and all around skills should be a welcomed addition to some NFL team next season.
Hershel Dennis, RB, USC
Injuries and the depth chart at USC have hindered Dennis’ ability to put up big numbers during his career. He was behind three senior tailbacks as a freshman, then was the starter as a sophomore. That was the year that LenDale White and Reggie Bush began their Trojan careers. Two knee injuries and stardom for those two has caused Dennis to see more time on the sidelines. He appears to be healthy again even though he spent the year with just mop up duty. When at 100%, Dennis has very good balance, quickness, and elusiveness. He runs tough and has always been an excellent receiver out of the backfield. He has only average size and the health of his knee is a major concern, but do not be surprised to see Dennis make an impact in the NFL.
Kendall Langford, DL, Hampton
Langford has an impressive combination of size and athleticism. He has the size to play inside at tackle, or on the end in the 3-4. He can hold his ground at the point of attack, but also shows the quickness and burst off the line to get into the backfield. His career numbers of 56 tackles for loss and 24.5 sacks speak to his playmaking ability. Langford is the ideal 3-4 end but also brings value to a 4-3 defense. A quality post season could make him a first day selection.
Spencer Larsen, LB, Arizona
Larsen is a little older than your average prospect, spending two years away on a Mormon mission before returning to the gridiron. He is a tackling machine though when he is on the field. He has excellent instincts and flies to the action in front of him. He has only average size and athleticism but he will not back down and will make plays solely on determination. Larsen is not the physical specimen you see in a high selection, but he is a true linebacker and will play on Sundays.
Terrence Wheatley, CB, Colorado
Wheatley is one of the best pure corners in the draft. He is athletic, quick, and fast but couples that with excellent ball skills and playmaking ability. On talent alone, he is a Top 50 selection. Wrist injuries have sidelined him and bothered him at various points though, which may be of concern. He also only has average size at best, and will lose out to bigger, physical receivers. If healthy though, Wheatley has the ability to develop into a quality NFL defender.
2008 NFL Draft Sleepers (From Deathrattlesports.com)
Pig Brown (S, Missouri) - Brown is as tough a safety as you will ever see. He's a very physical presence in the middle of the field and that alone will force quarterbacks to try and keep the ball away from his area of the field. He was one of the keys to Missouri's stellar run this year and racked up 70 tackles, 4 PBUs and 3 INTs in just 8 games before tearing his achilles. He also has top notch intangibles including great leadership qualities and could end up being the captain of an NFL defense in the next few years.
James Hardy (WR, Indiana) - Ok, so this isn't a true sleeper pick, but I really think Hardy is going to end up being the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in this class just behind DeSean Jackson and possibly Malcolm Kelly. There is no way that defenders will be able to match up with him at 6'7", especially in the end zone. That alone gets him the nod. Not to mention the guy runs a 4.6 forty too. Hardy also has shown improvement in each of the last three years and finally cracked the 1,000 yard barrier this year and had 16 touchdowns to boot. I look for him to end up somewhere in the late 2nd/early 3rd round.
Jamar Adams (S, Michigan) - This is one of my favorite sleepers in the draft. After a couple years of mediocrity, Adams finally, finally, finally lived up to the hype that came with him out of high school. He racked up 92 tackles this year along with 10 PBUs. Adams will test off the charts with his 6'2" and 210 lbs. frame and 4.5 speed, but his best attribute is his sure-tackling, football IQ and character. As a safety, it is important to embody leadership qualities and good character off the field and Adams truly does that.
Chase Ortiz (DE, TCU) - Ortiz has been overshadowed for much of his career by teammate and fellow end Tommy Blake. No longer will this happen as I see Ortiz having a better overall pro career than Blake. His numbers are solid...not amazing (42 tackles, 16.5 TFL, and an impressive 9 sacks). However, Ortiz's biggest asset is his non-stop motor and relentless drive to succeed. This willingness to continue to work hard and learn will bode well for him at the next level.
Thomas Brown (RB, Georgia) - Brown has had the unfortunate role of backup for most of his career to either Danny Ware, Kregg Lumpkin, or Knowshon Moreno. Most of this was simply due to injuries that plagued him throughout his career at Georgia. There is no doubt that Brown is undersized at just 5'8", but he plays much more physical than his frame would indicate. He hits the hole with force and has really quick and active feet. Though his stats aren't gaudy, he did average a solid 5 yards per carry over his career. He proved at the Shrine Game that he's ready to prove himself and was the running back that really stood out the most. If he can stay healthy there's no reason why he can't be a solid NFL running back.
Ben Moffitt (LB, South Florida) - Moffitt's most notable asset is definitely his maturity. Recent aligations of cheating in college shouldn't dampen his reputation or hurt his draft stock all that much. Moffitt has been able to stay healthy and had over 100 tackles in each of the last two seasons including 41 TFL. He also had all 4 of his career interceptions this past year and was the anchor of USF's defense along with George Selvie all year long. Not the most talented player on the field, but with his grit and determination will definitely get the most out of his abilities and give 110% on every single play. Doubting this guy just makes him stronger.
Chevis Jackson (CB, LSU) - The word for Jackson throughout his career is consistency. He has been a three-year starter in the toughest conference in college football and has been solid each and every year. He definitely improved this year with learning how to make the best out of his 6'0" 190 lbs. size as he had 16 PBUs and 5 INTs. Could benefit by getting a little faster, but it shouldn't hurt him too much. He's not as much of an athlete as he is a football player and if put in the right scheme, he could really shine.
Sam Keller (QB, Nebraska) - There's no doubt that Keller has underachieved since his breakout year at Arizona State in 2005, but the talent still lies there, brewing underneath the surface. He showed flashes of it this past year at Nebraska before injuring his shoulder nine games into the season. In those nine games, Keller threw for over 2,400 yards and was completing 63% of his passes. He has great size for the position. If he can avoid the injury bug his talent could boil over to the surface again.
Keilen Dykes (DT, West Virginia) - In terms of size, Dykes is one of the best DTs in this class. Unfortunately, it isn't all about size, but it does help because it is something that you can't teach. He positioned himself well when he and the rest of WVU's defensive line were able to overpower a seemingly unbreakable Oklahoma offensive line in the Fiesta Bowl. His maturity throughout his career along with his aggressive style of play should be something that an NFL team can look forward to.
William Franklin (WR, Missouri) - Franklin may not have been the flashiest of the Tigers in recent years, but he has most certainly been the most consistent. He racked up over 2,100 receiving yards in his career at Missouri and caught 49 passes this year, despite being basically the 3rd or 4th receiver in the offense. Franklin has good size at 6'2" and 205 lbs. and is cut like a greek statue. He has 4.45 speed and he's not afraid to go across the middle and has some of the best hands of anyone in this year's receiving class. I really like the way he plays the game.
Kellen Davis (TE, Michigan State) - Great prospect physically, but character is most definitely a concern. Davis really had a breakout year in 2007 catching 32 receptions for 513 yards and 6 touchdowns. If he gets with a coach who knows how to keep players heads on straight he will definitely be an intriguing prospect to watch over the next couple of years.
Ezra Butler (LB, Nevada) - Butler is amazingly quick for his size. He runs a 4.55 at 6'2" and 248 lbs! Opposing running backs and receivers will need to watch out when heading this guys way. He will truly deliver a cannon-type blow. A guy who has truly only gotten better over the last three years and I look for that trend to continue. Plays with a nasty edge and having a good team around him will only make him better. Would've gotten A LOT more attention had he played in a major conference, in my opinion. I look for him to go late 3rd round or early 4th round.
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Congrats to the Giants. They played a great game. My only regret now is we have to deal with the 72 Dolphins still.
Peace
Yep, I have mixed emotions. I am a Bear fan first, and NFC fan 2nd, so I am thrilled that the NFC won the Super Bowl when everyone is saying how much better the AFC is than the NFC. However, like you, I would have loved to see the Dolphins old timers shut up for good. Guess this leaves it up to the Bears to go 19-0 in 2008
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What a sore loser Belichick leaving the field early, classless.
Yep, a heck of a HC but always has been and always will be a jerk on the field.
Unbelievable!! What a game!! Manning brothers win Super Bowls back to back.
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I was expecting a blowout by NEP and thought I would be in bed by now, LOL.
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From FootballsFuture.com it would appear the pickings are slim:
Top QuarterbacksDerek Anderson, RFA, Cleveland Browns
Anderson has been one of the biggest surprises in all of the NFL. He’s passed for 3,635 yards and has 28 touchdowns to 18 interceptions, while leading Cleveland to a shot at the playoffs. He’s also been able to add three rushing touchdowns to his totals. While he has had the benefit of strong receiving options, he has also done his job well above average. There have been rumors that the Browns may look to trade first-round quarterback selection Brady Quinn. Whether or not the rumors are true, Cleveland can’t afford to let Anderson leave town after the way his play has helped the franchise turnaround. The franchise tag could be applied to Anderson, but the Browns will likely to sign him to an extension before it reaches that stage.
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
There seems to be debate over Grossman on a regular basis. Many fail to believe that he will ever lead any team to a title, while others argue that he’s still relatively young and has shown flashes of greatness. Regardless of the side you take, there’s something intriguing when it comes to the Florida alum. He was on a roller-coaster in terms of play in 2006, and in 2007 his erratic play continued. He played in parts of eight games, and lost his starting job after week three. Although he battled injury late in the season, he was nowhere near impressive, throwing seven interceptions to four touchdown passes. Grossman will likely find a backup role somewhere, but it shouldn’t be a surprise if interest is low.
Daunte Culpepper, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Culpepper seems light-years away from the Pro-Bowl quarterback that he once was. He had had four or five decent outings for Oakland this year, while doing an adequate job of managing games, but he was never able to make the offense dynamic. He totaled 344 passing yards against Minnesota in week eleven, but reached 200 yards passing on just two other occasions. With JaMarcus Russell waiting in the wings, Culpepper would be nothing more than a veteran backup heading into next season. Odds are that Culpepper looks for a backup role for another team.
Josh McCown, UFA, Oakland Raiders
McCown hit the map with a decent 2004 season while starting 13 games for the Arizona Cardinals in place of the injured Kurt Warner. McCown had the benefit of throwing to some excellent receivers that season, but in ’05 Warner came back to play in a majority of the team’s games. McCown didn’t have the opportunity to build upon his past success. With Oakland, he has played in parts of nine games and other than a solid week thirteen outing against Denver, he’s done very little. McCown will likely be nothing more than a backup in the NFL, and will probably be looking for a new home in 2008.
Quinn Gray, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Gray isn’t a special player by any means, but he could serve as an athletic backup somewhere in the league. The Jaguars may pay to keep him around and behind starter David Garrard. Gray had the opportunity to play significant minutes earlier this season, but didn’t show a high level of promise. In all likelihood, if Jacksonville decides not to re-sign him, Gray could struggle to find a team to play for.
Other Free Agent Quarterbacks
Ken Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns
Ryan Fitzpatrick RFA Cincinnati Bengals
Drew Henson UFA Minnesota Vikings
Cleo Lemon UFA Miami Dolphins
Jared Lorenzen UFA New York Giants
Jamie Martin UFA New Orleans Saints
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Orton will never be as good as Rex can be and he'll never be as bad as Rex can be. If Orton had been the starter from day one this season, the Bears make the playoffs IMO, but we're not close to winning the Super Bowl. Is that good enough?
Personally I'd be shocked as hell if Rex resigned. The only way it happens is if there is no market for him. I've been a big Rex supporter, but I can't imagine that his pocket presence is ever going to get any better, which means he's always going to get sacked and have his balls batted down 5 times a game.
Is it good enough to start the season with Orton, Griese, and a rookie like Flacco or maybe Woodson?
No, I would prefer having a proven veteran come in via FA that can take charge of the offense but that is about as likely as Rex or Kyle making it to the Pro Bowl next year.
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3-0 G-Men after the 1st quarter. 7-3 Pats midway thru the 2nd.
Actually a pretty close game. Pats look tired...and old.
If the Giants can continue to pressure Brady like they did in the first half it could be an interesting game. I am not sure Brady can even stay healthy if he keeps getting hit like he has so far.
Good game so far.
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Dent played in only four Pro Bowls. He did not make an all-decade team and never was named defensive player of the year. Dent believes he would have received more honors in his career if his team had promoted him more. He came into the league as an eighth-round pick and, on a team full of stars, he never was the organization's favored son.
Something about that staement bothers me, seems like he is blaming the Bears organization for his lack of "honors" received during his career and I am disappointed he would feel this way as I think it sounds a bit like "sour grapes".
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Wow, I'm sorry, guys. It was supposed to say "almost guarantee he retires after that season", not "this season"
Apologies
No apology needed, as I do not see it almost guarantees he will retire after "that" season is over either. In fact, unless he has a major set back health wise, I would not be surprised to see his contract extended before the 2011 season so he can retire a Bear. Sure, he isn't getting any younger. He will not, in all likely hood, be at the top of his game by the time 2011 comes about, but will probably still be a top 10 MLB in the NFL at the end of his career.
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Urlacher's contract is up at the end of the 2011 season, and we all know with how his back problems are still there despite what he says, we can almost guarantee he retires after this season.
I also agree with others who have replied to your post, I do not see where it is guaranteed Urlacher retires after the end of his contract.
As far as asking for the predictions of who will be our statistical leaders when we return to the super bowl, I think the offensive leaders for the Bears next trip to the super bowl may yet to be wearing a Bears uniform. Kind of hard to make such a prediction when we are all expecting the Bears to add to the roster in areas of WR, RB, & QB.
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nfldraftcountdown.com has Flacco going to the Bears with our 2nd round pick.
I would love it. Let Rex and Kyle battle it out on even ground in preseason (I wouldn't be surprised to see Kyle beat out Rex if Rex resigns with the Bears), cut or trade Griese, and bring in Flacco to develop behind these two.
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I think there will be 2 keys to the Bears defense returning to dominance next year (beyond health & an offense that can control the ball and clock):
Safety, we need to be strong here and can not rely on Brown being healthy for 16 games and need to replace Arch.
Dusty, if healthy, lined up beside a healthy Harris, will bring back memories of Hampton & McMichaels. They will be an awesome pair of DTs. And yes, I know Dusty has little experience but I think he will be outstanding if he stays healthy.
I am not that worried about Briggs leaving, I think Williams & Okwo can fill in just fine.
So we need to address the safety position on defense. Otherwise, I would be happy if the remainder of the draft class of 2008 centered on offense.
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Well I can say one thing- if Phillips is still there in round 2 when we choose again, and we don't take him, JA should be fired on the spot. Period.
OMG, if we drafted a stud OLT in the 1st and K Phillips fell to us in the 2nd I would be going out of my mind!! I just do not think Phillips will last past the 1st half of round 1.
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Now it's offense from PFW?
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+W...spers012608.htm
Without completely ruling out the possibility that he might consider using the 14th overall pick in the draft on a defensive player, Bears GM Jerry Angelo told team sources at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., this week that he was strongly leaning toward an offensive pick in the first round in April.
And on the PFW website they have a mock draft with them predicting the Bears selecting RB Jonathan Stewart* | Oregon with pick #14.
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Listening to Hub on the Score. I know, I know. Hub is FAR from a liked individual on this board, but is it unreasonable to believe he has connections w/in the Bears?
Anyway, he is saying that, according to his sources inside the bears, management sees DT as one of, if not the biggest need.
I would love to say Hub is full of it, but I can't. Angelo has said from day one that DT is maybe the most important position in his scheme. At DT, we currently have:
Harris - One of the best DTs in the game, but (a) is health a concern, (
he has one year left on his deal and Harris has already indicated he believes he should be among the highest paid defensive players in the league, which means he will likely be seeking Freeny money. Is there a chance Angelo thinks we may lose Harris? If so, and if DT is the most important position in our defense, is DT than a greater need than we believe?Dusty - Hey, I love what i saw too. I went to the Chi-Houston pre-season game last year, and posted after the game that I was most impressed w/ Dusty, and that was well prior to the hype he received soon after. Like no other player on the team, his motor never stopped. I loved what I saw. At the same time, he is two years into the league, and proven what? Injuries have killed him twice, and we have learned the hard way that you can only red shirt a player so often. Even if he does stay healthy and develop, if we lose Harris, is Dusty #1 DT material, or is he more of a great compliment.
The rest offer anywhere from nice rotation guys to good depth to some potential, but do we have a guy behind Dusty that could be considered a replacement for Harris?
Look, I am 100% against the idea of drafting a DT in the 1st. At the same time, I said some weeks ago I could see Angelo doing this as it fits his MO, and Hub talking about "his sources" makes me wonder that much more.
Here is my problem with Hubby Bear.
You say that he says he has inside sources whispering in his ear that the Bears feel DT may be one of their biggest needs. So HIS SOURCES INSIDE THE BEARS MANAGEMENT SAYS THIS???
In an article I posted just yesterday I quoted and gave a link to an article from ProFootball Weekly (PFW) which Hubby Bear is the top dog, the main man, it is his rag!! Now in this on line publication he has a column call "The way we hear it". It gives us information on all the teams from around the league with information from his inside sources with each team.
Now, according to the latest "The way we hear it" for the Bears, where he gives us insiders info from his sources with the Bears he gives this article:
It’s become obvious that the Bears clearly recognize the need for a major revamping of their offensive line, with the odds strong at present that GM Jerry Angelo could spend the team’s 14th overall pick in the first round on one of the talented, young O-linemen he scouted personally earlier this week during Senior Bowl practices in Mobile, Ala. It’s a totally different story up front on the other side of the ball, however, with team insiders believing the Bears could have one of the deepest and most talented D-lines in the NFL — if (with a capital “I) everybody stays healthy. With three solid ends in Adewale Ogunleye, Alex Brown and Mark Anderson, the team doesn’t need ’07 second-round pick Dan Bazuin, who was a nonfactor in his rookie season due to injury, to be anything more than a situational player in ’08. Inside, they appear to have a very solid five-deep situation with Pro Bowler Tommie Harris, Dusty Dvoracek (who was also injured the entire ’07 season and is considered the team’s best pure run defender), ’07 free-agent addition Anthony Adams, Matt Toeaina and Antonio Garay. We didn’t include high-priced ’07 trade addition Darwin Walker in the Bears’ DT mix, since it seems likelier than ever that he won’t be back after managing only 33 tackles (15th among Bears defenders) and one sack in ’07. But when you add valuable swingman Israel Idonije to the mix, you could have yourself a potential D-line to die for.So he has INSIDE SOURCES WITH BEARS MANAGEMENT.
On the radio he says they are concerned about DT.
In his "The way we hear it article" he says they feel they have a DL to die for.
Can we say a bit of a contradiction here?????
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How much did you think it was gonna be when everyone thought it was a good idea. If OLB was 7.2 this year you would have to know a WR this year was gonna be way more then Berrian is worth.
Just never gave it much thought until I saw this article. I was never one to want to franchise tag him to start with. Just as with Briggs, I wanted to sign him to a contract or trade him. I did not want to tag him. I do not like the tag. Too much money for a one year stop gap contract. The player is usually pissed off because of the tag. He then splits the first chance he gets. Not worth it in my opinion.
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I think we will keep Walker if he is willing to restructure his deal. He did have injury problems, so we'll see.
If we can keep him "cheap" fine. No big bucks. If Dusty & Harris are healthy he would be a #3 DL for the Bears. #3 DLmen should not get big bucks.
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I'd rather give him the 8 million guaranteed as opposed to the 16-20 million he would probably receive in a long term contract.
Nope, disagree, I would tie him up for a 4 or 5 yr contract that was cap friendly before I would give him 7.8 Million for 1 year and then let him walk like we seem to be going to let Briggs go.
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You can forget about using a franchise tag on Berrian. The link below shows the franchise and transition tag numbers for 2008. Way too much money for Berrian as much as I would love to see him stay a Bear.
Tag, you're it ... a look at the '08 franchise & transition numbers
Trade Hester
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I look at it in a different way. Instead of asking if now is the time to trade Hester, I think it is time to ask if it is time to rework his contract.
Hester is a tremendous ST player who "MAY" become an important piece of the puzzle on offense (the jury is still out). If he has a big year in the WR role this year his price to resign him goes soaring. If we can convince him to renew his contract now, we could possibly wind up with a real bargain. If he has a big year as WR we are in a win win situation. We have a valuable WR/KR at a bargain price or, if he becomes discontent knowing he blew it by resigning before emerging as a WR, because we resign him at a reasonable price, we could then get a huge return for him in trade.