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Braxton was awful handling the bull rush last year too. Caleb was running for his life as Im sure we all remember. Braxton wasnt the only weakness on the OL last year of course, but I think he is done as a Bear, if not right now, then after this season for sure.
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I'll add this - I am not the only one who saw these things early, lots of people on this board agreed.
But the passion around defending Fields, Eberflus, Poles and others is why this all started, the name calling and all that. None of this existed for the 20+ years I was on this board before that.
Im not saying Im smarter than everyone at ALL, Im saying some people got really mad when I wouldnt budge and stayed true to my belief.
And when I end up right about that stuff, I dont bring that up to say how smart I am, but to put a point on it after all the abuse I took for being early. It's natural if you get months of abuse, when it turns out you were right to say something.
We can do this again when Kmet or Moore get traded. This whole summer I got heaps of crap about that too. When it happens, Im allowed to say "see?" without being an egotistical jerk.
If I wanted to prove I was smart (which I dont) it certainly wouldnt be about football!
Anyway, when I come back, lets ALL leave this behind. Please! -
10 hours ago, AZ54 said:
In football coaches often tell players to know when the play is over. It’s the same with conversations.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
I'll address this only once. I was messing with you as a brother/friend and you took it the wrong way. Instead of questioning my intent, you decided to splay me open with a miriad of falsehoods. It was even in my verbiage. Look at the posts. If you can acknowledge that, we can be cool. If not, screw you...
Im not gonna go back and forth, but you were not just busting my balls, you called me a bitch, you said you were my coach and i was the student, you said you were offended at the idea that i could disagree with you about OL since you played, you figured you are the authority and I shouldnt have an opinion, but just defer.
If it's screw me, then thats on you. When you act like an arrogant bully wanna be, and I dont play along, thats on you.
Ask yourself, if someone came up to you, and said what you said, and called you a bitch, youd just laugh?
And also,mit was over a course of days, maybe weeks that you stayed with the "joke"
You should own what you did, but I truly dont need you to. I will just ask that you treat me respectfully in the future. That would be good enough. And if you cant do that, then that will show too. -
1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:
Clearly your ego hasnt changed , you're the one that said Ozzy will be starting because Braxton is bad. You were half right but its not about having an opinion and being wrong, its about you coping an attitude when people disagree with you. Every time I get on, I look to see if you got on the website. You're like a stalker, just start giving your opinions again and stop with the name calling.
no, Ill just say this once.
1) I said Braxton sucks, and so I HOPE Trapilo will supplant him. I predicted the end of Braxton, but not what kind of a player Trapilo would become. I wasnt making any kind of judgement on Benedet, who was not really in the discussion at the time. Just that Braxton sucks. And he does.
2) People can disagree with me all they want, but often i am early seeing something when other dont, and then they start attacking me about it, and once attacked, i absolutely defend myself. But if someone simply disagrees with me, thats FINE. For example, you just called me "stalker" in the same sentence you said not to call people names?
3) I dont think I know everything. Most of what I say is opinion and I say it that way "I think" etc - certainly a lot more than you use that kind of language to be sure.
When I make an actual statement to assert what I think is now a fact about Charles Leno, Fields, Eberflus, Poles, Braxton Jones and the potential of Caleb I have been right every time. I dont make those kind of statements until i am sure, and like i said, that happens often earlier than some others want to see something, so they say Im negative, and call me names.
Thats how things started with you and me too - you couldnt stand that I said that Justin Fields sucked, and you went after me personally calling names and saying things that would generally get people punched in a bar.. Then I asked you to stop, you didnt, then I demanded you stop and you still didnt, and then I finally ramped it up to the point where others on the board told us BOTH to stop. I paid a personal price for that here, but it also got you to stop. Since then, you've been abrasive, but not using the kind of language you were toward me before.
4) I dont cop any attitude with people who disagree with me - I do cop a major attitude when people treat me with disrespect, name calling, profanity and the like.
With most members of this board, I usually agree. Dont forget, before you threw your Justin Fields tantrums Id been here for like 20 years, and wasnt known for that at all was I?
Anyway, I know who you are Stinger, and I dont expect you to understand this or to be able to behave yourself. My problem was when Mongo started it too. I would rather respect the members of this board like him who are worthy of it, and simply disagree if that's what happens.
And a comment here or there is easy to let go, but Mongo was being consistently disrespectful for a couple weeks, so i said what I needed to, and took a leave of absence.
I dont need to re-litigate it all, I am only gonna explain this to you especially just this once. I dont care what you think of it, whether you understand it. Im not gonna go back and forth.
When I do come back, maybe after the bye, I expect ALL of us, myself included, to deal with respect. Like I said, I doubt you personally can do it, but as long as everyone else is cool, there is no need for fighting.
But most of all, this has ALL been about me being early on these topics. Seeing things that other people werent ready to see, or watching film instead of just looking at stats and reading sportswriter narratives.
When I see something, and then I am confident in what I see, that isnt arrogance. And being unwilling to bend to common beliefs is not arrogance, its just confidence, the kind people have when they know theyre right, no matter what everyone else is saying.
And again, the things Ive been right about are just a handful of things. Its not like everything I guess or opine on is set in stone.
But when I talk about Kmet not being up to his paycheck, I got so much hate from you, but now you see it too dont you? Will you remember that thats why you thought I was arrogant, and realize i was right? Or is it just a memory of how you felt, and now that you agree, you still blame me?
I hate talking about all of this - I wont anymore. I'll be back in a few weeks, and I hope people can control themselves from getting personal and then acting like they are a victim when I speak back. -
2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:
I think Braxton is done. He may be the most Jekyll Hyde lineman we've had in a long time. One moment he's locking his man down, the next he's getting signed walked. On another play he may execute perfectly and then turn around and completely block the wrong guy. I can't tell if he's a space cadet or plain stupid. He's had time to get healthier, but the mental lapses are still prevalent. They looked better when Theo took over.
OK, so this exact evaluation is what I was saying several weeks ago that prompted your reaction that I:
1) am a "bitch"
2) dont understand OL play
3) should defer in all opinions about OL to you since you played and I didnt
And that's why I have taken a leave of absence. I could handle cheap shots from one particular member saying things like this that would get you punched in a bar, but I didnt want to fight like that with you too.
I would prefer to simply discuss football.
I will consider coming back at some point, but it has to be really different. -
30 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
Dude, if you get triggered that badly, I feel bad for you. For starters, I'd never talk smack with you if I didn't like you. Same with coaches. If they dog you, they think you're worth it. The big danger is when they stop talking. Gaslighting is too woke of a word for me. You can either man up and take some ball busting or be an overly sensitive lil bitch. I'm good with either. Your choice Bear brother.
And you did rate Trapilo as better than Jones, so own it. You were so wrong they have him working at right tackle. No, I don't think Braxton is good. He's average. We both want better. But he's the best we've got.
arrogant, drunk, bitch.
good for you you played OL in high school.
The rest of this is nonsense. If you want to act like a bitch, then you get treated like one.
As for your interest in my balls, thats on you baby girl.
But like I said, Im not here for that, so I think Ill go elsewhere. I dont need to argue with drunk arrogant loser fools.
Triggered? No. I just wont be disrespected by high school glory days boy.
I think Braxton SUCKS. I thought Trapilo would replace him for that reason. Thats your big gotcha that invalidates my entire view on offensive lineman? Did you think that even made sense?
Anyway, there no need for me to deal with your nonsense. And since this baord is now all about sniping and being bitches, I will find another one.
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26 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
It was sarcasm and meant to be a dig, in jest.
Since you evaluated the left tackle battle so poorly, I was calling BS to you calling BS. You can look at film and form an opinion about OL, but you simply don't understand the position.
How did I evaluate the position poorly? You think Braxton Jones is GOOD? I dont.
Youre creating a strawman where you think i evaluate Trapilo as good. Its a lie. I never did.
I guess you played OL in high school, but um, if you think Braxton is good, then you dont know what youre talking about.
I understand what I see. Dont gaslight me.
I dont need this crap. I love the Bears, if you want to tell me the new Leno is great, then thats your silliness not mine.
But if thats what this board is now - just idiots sniping, then i think Im gonna move one.
You can go f*ck yourself. -
1 minute ago, Stinger226 said:
A player got injured on the kickoff of the Eagles / Cowboys game. While they were waiting for the game to start, Jalen Carter walked up to Dak Prescott and spit in his face. Got ejected. WTF
I guess here comes the era where Carter shows why we didnt pick him.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
Since you got the Trapilo thing so right, I call BS to your BS...🤪🤌🏽🍻
first off what does that even mean? Please explain the logic behind that.
Secondly, I wanted Banks or Ersery, had never even heard of Trapilo until the draft.
Thirdly, the ONLY reason I expected Trapilo to win the job is because of how bad Braxton Jones is. If you want to tell me you look at tape, and with your OL expertise you think hes a good player, then I call BS on your expertise as well.
But I have never said Trapilo is GOING to be great, only that I HOPE he will be.
So far, with the exception of one brain damaged member here, we've all been able to treat each other with respect in these conversations. I hope that continues.
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11 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
Im going by 50 different football pundits that said that. People that played football, coached football or announced it for yrs. You're entitled to your opinion and its okay if lots of people disagree with you. Its just opinions.
OMG just watch the film - Braxton is a liability. Poles spent a 3rd round pick and then a 2nd round pick to try to replace him. Why? Because he sucks.
50 different football pundits that repeat a narrative and didn't watch the tape. Pathetic.
Listen to Poles when he didnt realize he was on camera. Ignore the entire artile and who wrote it - just watch the 30 seconds of video and hear it from his own mouth.
Jones is not the answer. Leno 2.0
https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/ryan-poles-caught-on-camera-admitting-worry-about-left-tackle-issue/ -
8 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
Obviously someone will start.
starting does not make someone starting caliber.
And I call BS on the idea that Braxton is currently an average NFL LT. Is that a PFF rating? -
5 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
I think what all of this tells us is we have depth finally. Last year was a shit show on the OL especially when we had to go to back ups.
I think we have three backups at LT and no starter. That's not depth, it's an issue.
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Well I can have my hopes about Trapilo at LT, but the Bears released their depth chart yesterday, and Trapilo is RT2, with Benedet as LT2.
Other noteables:
Burden is third string after Moore and Zaccheus on one side, while Duvernay is second string on the Odunze Side, with Walker as third string. So Burden is no better than 5th above only Walker.
Roschon Johnson is RB2 with Monangai as HB3
Jarrett and Dexter are the starting DTs, with Jarrett at 3T and Dexter at 1T. Williams and Turner are the second and thrid string DTs, with Billings backing up Dexter at Nose.
Johnson is listed as CB1, with Nashon Wright behind him. If JJ doesnt play I guess Wright gets the nod?
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22 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
I think this was just JJ joking around after he saw the insane big money deals and media types, as they like to do for clicks, took it seriously. Whenever you hear JJ talk his top priority is winning.
I hope this is right and it's just a narrative. I read his quote, but I didnt hear his tone of voice or body language, or even the context. So if that's what it was, then great!
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2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Poles is doing great with the cap. I am not happy with JJ thinking he is the best thing since sliced bread. He wanted more money/early extension and Poles gave him a deal that he accepted. Now he is whispering his deal doesnt look so good. Well maybe he should of waited one year instead of demanding the early extension. Knowing every year those numbers grow.
I dont know what todays restructuring did, but it gave the Bears a little more room this season. I just hope Poles has JJ holding out next year on his radar.
I agree. Poles has been pretty disciplined on the cap. The story is out on Dayo, who is a significant dent in our cap, but in general Poles has been disciplined.
I totally agree that the writing is on the wall with Jaylon Johnson. He's good, but he's not worth what he's going to want. A trade seems likely at some point. -
19 minutes ago, AZ54 said:
I assure you Ryan Poles is 100% planning for the future. It was abundantly clear in draft picks like Trapilo Burden Newman. His job is to restock the roster with good young talent that is cheap. No reason we can’t speculate how that might play out over the next year or two.
To put it another way: I want to see Burden become so good this year that DJ Moore is WR3 next year.
exactly
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11 minutes ago, 50england50 said:
I look at this trade as similar to us signing Khalil Mack and that didn’t turn out great, i.e., multiple super bowls and affected our cap with lots of dead cap money.
I am reasonably happy with our roster and as others have stated, our season depends on whether Caleb Williams is what we hope he is, if not, signing Parsons would have no impact on our chances of reaching a superbowl.
FWIW Im not even saying here that we should have traded for Parsons. The trade price was steep, and he is injured. There are good points on both sides of that.
All Im really saying is that *IF* the right player is available, you can find more cap room by doing things (like restructuring contracts) than it currently shows we have on spotrac or overthecap.
Im saying you can't just look at those numbers and calculate how much cap is available.
But trading for Parsons has a lot more detail that is debatable than simply whether the cap space could exist, which is the only point Im making. -
The cap is more flexible than people think it is. And it goes up every year too, so signing a big ticket player is almost always possible.
And while Id entertain that idea for a true stud, I dont think Zadarius Smith fits that definition. If it's a true top 5 impact edge rusher, then it is possible, but otherwise you dont stretch your cap like that for most players.
Then again, I dont know what Smith is asking for. Im discussing the hyposthetical situation where someone wants $40M a year. That IS possible, but it might require some trades etc.
SO Im not saying we should do this, just that it is financially possible if the right situation were to come up.
For example, the trade value for Parsons was more likely the bigger impediment to us having him (or someone like him) here than the cap space. -
5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
I am happy to have helped you expand your vocabulary . Talk about whatever you want but now I am not allowed to have an opinion.
I wish you were in a BJ press conference so you could ask the coach about (if Burden plays well, if you would want to trade DJ Moore?)
Does anyone want to suggest what BJs answer would be to that question?
This is a football discussion forum and I disagreed with you so you want to talk about how I form sentences and what proper words to use. Normal fans just disagree and state their point but not you . You always want to get personal instead of just leave it to football.
Mongo could not have said any more relevant words( that fools want to argue) of which applies to both of us instead of just trying to get along. Maybe one day you will just try to stay on football subjects and get off your personal attacks.
you thin skinned moron.
Im sorry you cry about possible 2026 trades, but thats life snowflake. -
10 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
We are on the verge of having something real good here and people want to talk about getting rid of people. Let the season play out and it will be clear at the end of the year what is next.
no we arent just talking about getting rid of people. we are talking about getting new awesome people too, at positions of need.
Also we are talking about next year, not now.
You get so "butthurt" about trading people - you want an old expensive team I guess. One that's stuck at around 7 wins a year - never bad enough to get a top pick, never good enough to contend. But lots of familiar faces, so you dont need to buy new jerseys.
You DO understand that when you trade someone you get something in return right? More draft picks for younger cheaper players, or impact players at positions of need.
Would I trade DJ Moore straight up for a young dominant pass rusher? You bet I would, and we'd win more games as a result. As soon as Burden is as good as DJ. -
2 minutes ago, adam said:
Week 1 is in Chicago.
thank you, I had that backwards. Kind of makes more sense in terms of the vegas opening line then.
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30 minutes ago, jason said:
All this yada yada back and forth is nothing but conjecture at best. We don’t know what anyone truly thinks, what will happen, etc.
Year after year we have these discussions but the team never does what any of us want. And maybe that should tell us something since they’ve sucked for the great majority of the last 40 years.
What I know is this: OL was finally a top priority. That’s what I’ve wanted since the last Super Bowl. So, in general, I get to finally see if what I believe is true. If they start trading top talent for stockpiles of 2nd rounders just before the players degrade or want a huge contract, like DBDB suggested, then that’s one more thing I want.
so true. we need to see it on the field before we really know anything. And youre right about the last 40 years - what a shit show.
Love all of this.4 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:When Bill the brain still had one, it was the Patriot way...
exactly.
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Braxton Jones has been announced as the starter at LT for Monday night. Im not surprised.
Apparently Ben Johnson said the competition will continue, and could continue until the bye week. That also makes a lot of sense, and says to me that Trapilo still has a chance to take the job.
May the best man win.
Running Game an Issue
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I think it depends on what youre asking him to do.
Ben Johnson certainly know the run game, and if he says Bieniemy is the right guy, then I am inclined to follow his leadership?
I suspect that BJ is running a different scheme than the Eagles did, one that maybe Swift doesn't fit that well in, or maybe better said, the Eagles style might have fit him better, although they cut him loose too?
I guess Im just saying that it's not as easy as saying that the only variable that changed is BJ, and that he should be doing something different? For example Montgomery has had more success under BJ than he did in Chicago.
EDIT: Ive also read some rumors that BJ is going to switch the run game to an outside zone scheme during the bye. The rumor says this has more to do with the skill set of the OL, than helping Swift. i dunno if swift is fast enough to routinely get the outside corner, but i guess we will find out!