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yeah like an intro to the class. so the names are familiar when you start to really look into them?

Breaking News: Sources say Eberflus will NOT be the new DC for Atlanta lol

right, especially at this time of year, it's crap. guesses are fine, but they dress them up like facts.

yeah, dead zone is the wrong term, youre right. I mean like you said, an area where you pay more for the same level of talent. Also, when they rate players, they rate them as prospects. So a guy like Monangai, they saw some things, but saw him lacking in others. He was a bigger gamble, so rated lower. But once they get into the NFL, a lot has to do with the coaching and how they grow. If your scouts think a player is coachable and has hidden skills, then you take that gamble and see. And as a 7th rounder, it wasnt much risk. So you can find excellent players in the 3rd and 4th round and beyond, but theyre bigger gambles, (at least in most teams eyes) and thats why they fall. The most fun is when a player is rated lower but a bunch of teams think he's a hidden gem. So hes not really hidden, but his public rank is lower than the teams might have him. I think Banks and Loveland fit that category. The teams had discovered them, but the pundits hadnt. The draft is an unweildy and complicated bitch! lol

Yes, and also no one knows right now anyway. Let's say, for example, that the Bears want to trade for Crosby. They have a price in mind, and so do the Raiders. Maybe they want too much, maybe another team is outbidding what were willing to pay. So its not just that there is bad info out there, it's that even the main people themselves, like poles, dont know what will happen at this point in the year? The best we can do is guess. And my guess is that we are more likely to end up with Hendrickson, since he's a free agent, than Crosby or Garrett who we would have to trade for. But is there a cheaper DE free agent that our scouts think is about to take a major step? I dunno. So at this point in the year there are only logical guesses. In a month we will hear actual rumors that still arent for sure, but we might hear where the activity is. But right now? It's an information wasteland.

Yeah Ive been thinking - 25 is in that dead zone where you pay more, but get the same level of talent as you do in the early part of the 2nd round. I wouldnt be surprised at all if we traded out of that pick. Possibly UP for a difference maker, or more likely, down for extra picks. Maybe to a QB hungry team like you suggest. That makes sense. I think this offseason is going to be very dynamic with cuts, trades, surprises. We've all seen how Poles and Johnson are aggressive in making changes, and the defense surely needs and overhaul. I think it's going to be a fun and bumpy ride.

I do remember last year I wanted LT Kelvin Banks. All the other ranking sites had him going in the 20s, but Draft Buzz had him going before our 9th pick a lot, almost every time. And they nailed it. In general I tend to think DraftBuzz is the most realistic one, but that also makes it less fun I guess At any rate, I feel like DraftBuzz is that cold sobering buzzkill (lol) site that keeps us from thinking we're gonna get a top ten player in the 20s lol

DraftBuzz is tough for sure, but they may be more accurate as well. But try adjusting the random number to something other than the default "2" and youll get different outcomes i think?

I found a new draft simulator. I dunno if its good or realistic, but Ive enjoyed playing around with it. Of course, without Free Agency it can only mean so much. But I keep drafting 1 DT Kayden McDonald Ohio State 2 Edge Zion Young Missouri 3 ILB Jacob Rodriguez Texas Tech I havent done any homework, so I might love or hate these guys in a couple months LOL Anyway, heres the site: https://sticktothemodel.com/draft/simulator

I havent done any work yet, so I have no idea, but that does sound good.

ugh. at that point, and figuring it takes a few games to get back to form, he'd have missed most of the season. Maybe that mid tier Free Agent is looking more possible. I sure hope Poles finds a way to clear a bunch of cap space and rebuild the defense while also making sure the LT position is good. It's just, we're not gonna find a sure fire ready to play on day one long term answer at pick 25, and we need the pick for something else anyway. It's gonna have to be Benedet and/or a free agent I guess.

interesting. thats good news then. another offseason with Roushar should help a lot. I wonder when Ozzie will be fully ready. Week 5? Week 8? Any ideas?

if there were no other concerns, Id LOVE to take a LT high. But we're probably talking about a 3rd rounder at best in the draft, and they probably arent going to be better than Benedet. I can see us signing a mid tier free agent maybe, but that costs cap space too. And if we do add another LT by any of these means, I think that means Amagadje is gone. I'll bet the plan is Benedet until Ozzie is ready, with Amagadje, a mid tier free agent, and/or a 3rd round or lower pick competing with him in camp. And Benedet probably wins that, depending on who the free agent is. I thin Benedet did OK this year, and if he can put on some muscle in his base, he should be even better?

hopefully he can put on some lower body strength in the offseason and handle the bull rushes next year. he had a good season for coming in out of nowhere.

And it's not just DJ, the whole WR group has to make more catches.

I agree with this analysis. Except for the miscommunication being that he didnt expect the ball. I think the miscommunication was he blew the adjustment. But I agree that DJ quit because he didnt think the ball was coming to him. But he needed to undercut the safety. And he made that same mistake multiple times. I dunno if he has trouble keeping his head in the game or what? I also dont know whether Johnson wants to keep him (at a lower price) or move on from him. I can see both outcomes making sense. DJ has tons of talent, but he seems to be making too many mental mistakes, and not giving everything on every snap.

what I discuss here isnt up to you. Why would you think it was? THis is SO weird. OK Braxton. I think it's pretty clear who is misbehaving and who isnt. Oversensitive? Not me dude. Youre the one freaking out. I am not here to fight. I hate this. TRY to behave yourselves.

DJ made his comment TODAY, Justin is ancient history, and no one is gonna tell me what i can and cant talk about on a sports discussion board. I dont know what goes in in your heads that makes you think youre in charge LOL More like you saw that Pixote suspended me for a week (unfairly) and now you think you can get jabs in. Its dumb. I dont want to fight with you, but your weak attempts at bullying wont be tolerated either. Just say what you want about the Bears, and dont worry about what I choose to discuss. It's not really up to you. I dont know why youd think it was. If youre trying to rile me up tho, its not going to work. Youre just making it all really obvious.

then why even have a discussion board? man you guys are something. Were gonna talk ALL about the offseason, ALL during the offseason, right up until the preseason even though none of us is in the front office LOL Thats why this is talkbears, so we can talk Bears? Its OK. I think DJ is on the block. Maybe they will restructure him, but my gut says hes gone. Not like proof or anything, it could go either way, but I think hes gone.

when you cant stop the run, thats where you start!

For sure. We dont HAVE to do anything, but we can do what we want. Now the DL, that needs help Im sure you agree. And we will need a LB and probably a safety, maybe a CB too, but we need DT and Edge both.

Totally agree DJ wont get better than a 3, too bad but it is what it is. The question, to me, is what his value to the team is worth, vs opening opportunities for the other WRs to step up, and the message in terms of accountability. Obviously clearing $16M off the cap is really helpful too, but i dont know enough about contract restructuring to know what's possible in those scenarios if they do want to keep him. Ive heard some pretty crazy claims about how low the numbers might be from the TTNL guy Cars who is really good with this stuff, but I dont understand how its possible with only one void year? But again, I dont really understand that stuff that well. I do think there is going to be a lot of activity this offseason, especially on the defense. At least 4 new starters, maybe more.

totally agree. I used to think it was keep him or trade him, but now I think maybe they can restructure him to a number that is more commensurate with his productivity and value. I wouldnt mind seeing him gone for the half assed effort tho. Hes definitely a talented player, and great with the ball in his hands after the catch like a running back, but Luther Burden is too, and I think Ben is building a culture of accountability. I wouldnt be surprised if he is gone, but it wouldnt be a total shock if they keep him at a lower cap number. My gut says hes gone, but it's not an obvious answer I guess.

Youd like that. Its what you actually want, and then to play hurt feelings and blame me LOL how pathetic. I'm just gonna keep it to the Bears. You can do whatever you think makes you look good or whatever the hell youre trying to do. This is all so cringey. Grow up dude.

well thats rude, and not much of an argument. DJ Moores comment came out today, so I was adding that to the discussion. Keeping him or trading him is one of the biggest questions of the offseason, and that's just starting, so i think its fine for me to talk about DJ Moore. Seriously, try not to be a jerk if you can? Ive kinda had it with being the bad guy in your little drama. Do uyou remember why you hate me? It's because you said Braxton Jones was good and i said I saw stuff on tape that discounted that. Then you said because you played Offensive Line, I shouldnt have an opinion on it. When I said I would continue to have opinions anyway you declared I was your enemy. So please, grow up. Lets talk about football? This hurt feelings business is getting out of hand on here. I'll continue to talk about the Bears however I want to, and without needing your permission. Thanks.