adam Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Hester was the only Bear to make it. Surprised some others didn't even make 2nd team honors. No Briggs or Harris. Offense - First team Quarterback Tom Brady, New England Running backs LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego Brian Westbrook, Philadelphia Fullback Lorenzo Neal, San Diego Wide receivers Terrell Owens, Dallas Randy Moss, New England Tight end Jason Witten, Dallas Offensive tackles Walter Jones, Seattle Matt Light, New England Offensive guards Alan Faneca, Pittsburgh Steve Hutchinson, Minnesota Center Jeff Saturday, Indianapolis Kicker Rob Bironas, Tennessee Kick returner Devin Hester, Chicago Defense - First team Defensive ends Jared Allen, Kansas City Patrick Kerney, Seattle Defensive tackles Kevin Williams, Minnesota Albert Haynesworth, Tennessee Outside linebackers DeMarcus Ware, Dallas Mike Vrabel, New England Inside linebackers Patrick Willis, San Francisco Lofa Tatupu, Seattle Cornerbacks Asante Samuel, New England Antonio Cromartie, San Diego Safeties Ed Reed, Baltimore Bob Sanders, Indianapolis Punter Andy Lee, San Francisco Offense - Second team Brett Favre, Green Bay Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Fred Taylor, Jacksonville Tony Richardson, Minnesota Reggie Wayne, Indianapolis Braylon Edwards, Cleveland Wes Welker, New England Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City Flozell Adams, Dallas Jason Peters, Buffalo Logan Mankins, New England Leonard Davis, Dallas Dan Koppen, New England Phil Dawson, Cleveland Josh Cribbs, Cleveland Defense - Second team Aaron Kampman, Green Bay Mario Williams, Houston Pat Williams, Minnesota Vince Wilfork, New England Shawne Merriman, San Diego James Harrison, Pittsburgh DeMeco Ryans, Houston Nick Barnett, Green Bay Champ Bailey, Denver Al Harris, Green Bay Darren Sharper, Minnesota Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Sean Taylor, Washington Shane Lechler, Oakland http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Wow, Urlacher didn't even get a mention. That's kind of rough, especially given the way he tore shit up near the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 No other bear should be on this list. Not the first team, nor the 2nd. Harris was injured far too much this year, and while he dominated at times, he was also invisible far too often. Likely due to playing through injury, but regardless, he did not warrant being on this list. Briggs gets a lot of respect, but until he starts making more non-tackle plays (picks, FF, FR, sacks, PDs, etc) I do not think he belongs on this list either. Urlacher finished strong, but the season is longer than 4 games, and he didn't have a great year. Frankly, regardless how any of them played, no one from one of the worst defenses in the league should be on the 1st or 2nd team. No, Hester is the only player that should be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 No other bear should be on this list. Not the first team, nor the 2nd. Harris was injured far too much this year, and while he dominated at times, he was also invisible far too often. Likely due to playing through injury, but regardless, he did not warrant being on this list. Briggs gets a lot of respect, but until he starts making more non-tackle plays (picks, FF, FR, sacks, PDs, etc) I do not think he belongs on this list either. Urlacher finished strong, but the season is longer than 4 games, and he didn't have a great year. Frankly, regardless how any of them played, no one from one of the worst defenses in the league should be on the 1st or 2nd team. No, Hester is the only player that should be there. James Harrison over Briggs? DeMeco Ryans over Urlacher? Those are some reaches there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfoligno Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 James Harrison over Briggs? Hardly a reach. Harrison had 5 fewer tackles, but 8.5 sacks compared to Brigg's 2, plus 7 FFs, compared to Brigg's 2. Harrison also had a pick, compared to none for Briggs, though Briggs had several bounce off his hands. Beyond the pure stats, Harrison was an integral part of a superiour defense, and was key in putting pressure on the QB. Briggs is a tackle machine, but OLBs are more often going to put up playmaking stats, and whether due to scheme or player, Briggs does not do that. I can easily see why Harrison was picked ahead of Briggs. DeMeco Ryans over Urlacher? This is a different story here. I think Urlacher was hurt by (a) setting the bar for himself much higher, and thus appearing to have an off season and ( not really looking "urlacher-esq" until late in the year, when many minds were likely already made up. Ryans is an awesome LB. Urlacher is better, IMHO, and has proven to be a superiour playmaker, but due to the appearance of a down year, as well as being the captain of a defense that went from elite to flat out sad, I think factored greatly in this. I can see the argument for Urlacher making the team, but as I said before, in general, I think our defense was simply so bad that no one was deserving. I know you can argue Houston didn't have a great defense either, but again, I think it is about perception. Houston was not expected to have a great defense, while we were. So when our defense failed, it created a greater bias against individual players than in Houston, where players were not expected to be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 James Harrison over Briggs? Hardly a reach. Harrison had 5 fewer tackles, but 8.5 sacks compared to Brigg's 2, plus 7 FFs, compared to Brigg's 2. Harrison also had a pick, compared to none for Briggs, though Briggs had several bounce off his hands. Beyond the pure stats, Harrison was an integral part of a superiour defense, and was key in putting pressure on the QB. Briggs is a tackle machine, but OLBs are more often going to put up playmaking stats, and whether due to scheme or player, Briggs does not do that. I can easily see why Harrison was picked ahead of Briggs. DeMeco Ryans over Urlacher? This is a different story here. I think Urlacher was hurt by (a) setting the bar for himself much higher, and thus appearing to have an off season and ( not really looking "urlacher-esq" until late in the year, when many minds were likely already made up. Ryans is an awesome LB. Urlacher is better, IMHO, and has proven to be a superiour playmaker, but due to the appearance of a down year, as well as being the captain of a defense that went from elite to flat out sad, I think factored greatly in this. I can see the argument for Urlacher making the team, but as I said before, in general, I think our defense was simply so bad that no one was deserving. I know you can argue Houston didn't have a great defense either, but again, I think it is about perception. Houston was not expected to have a great defense, while we were. So when our defense failed, it created a greater bias against individual players than in Houston, where players were not expected to be great. Yeah, you are right, the expectations killed it. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Definitely Adrian Peterson should have been on there before Brian Westbrook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Definitely Adrian Peterson should have been on there before Brian Westbrook. I think AP trailed off at the end of the year too much. Also, Westbrooks receiving numbers were much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted January 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Definitely Adrian Peterson should have been on there before Brian Westbrook. I think his 54 rushes for 144 yds in his final 4 games did him in. In comparison, our AP ran for 51 for 193 in his last 2 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Definitely Adrian Peterson should have been on there before Brian Westbrook. My fantasy team says Adrian Peterson is a douchebag. So I'm going to go with a 'no' on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I have a question, wtf is Antonio Cromartie doing on the 1st team? He shouldn't even be on the 2nd team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balta1701-A Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I have a question, wtf is Antonio Cromartie doing on the 1st team? He shouldn't even be on the 2nd team. He led the league in INT's by 2. Whether it's a valid way of measuring ability or not I'll leave to you, but 10 INT's is a lot of games changed by an INT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 He led the league in INT's by 2. Whether it's a valid way of measuring ability or not I'll leave to you, but 10 INT's is a lot of games changed by an INT. Big whoop. Over half of those picks were thrown directly to him. He is not that good of a corner, and I can name at least 10 better, if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Big whoop. Over half of those picks were thrown directly to him. He is not that good of a corner, and I can name at least 10 better, if not more. Do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Do it. Charles Tillman, Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Asante Samuel, Nnamdi Asomugha, DeAngelo Hall, Ronde Barber, Marcus Trufant, Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, Quentin Jammer, Deshea Townsend, and there are plenty more. And that's not even naming the injured players who are better cornerbacks to begin with. Sure Cromartie made a lot of picks, but he is far from a top corner back in the league. He still needs a lot of work on how to actually play corner. This is a guy who only started 1 game in his whole college career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Big whoop. Over half of those picks were thrown directly to him. He is not that good of a corner, and I can name at least 10 better, if not more. The all pro team isnt to name the BEST players at every position it is for the players that had the better season. He had a great year in a year that not many other corners stood out. DeAngelo Hall? Are you serious, he single handedly lost his team the game against Carolina. He is a time bomb and is severely overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears4Ever_34 Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Yeah your right, all those picks were thrown RIGHT to him, he didn't even have to make any athletic moves to get them either right? Cromartie, while maybe not thee best corner in the league, is certainly an emerging superstar. What an athlete this kid is and if you don't believe me just watch the highlight of his 110 yard INT return! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 I know Cromartie is an athete, he has great size and speed. But he has only started 1 game in his college career and is still at least 1 year away, but more likely 2-3 years from actually becoming a good cover corner, if ever. Being a good corner is more then just being a good athlete. Oh, and Deangelo Hall is still one of the top 5 CB's in the league, even if he is a headcase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 I know Cromartie is an athete, he has great size and speed. But he has only started 1 game in his college career and is still at least 1 year away, but more likely 2-3 years from actually becoming a good cover corner, if ever. Being a good corner is more then just being a good athlete. Oh, and Deangelo Hall is still one of the top 5 CB's in the league, even if he is a headcase. Not this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Not this year yeah, but he is still better then Cromartie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 yeah, but he is still better then Cromartie. not this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 not this year your wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 your wrong... No he is not wrong. He had 10 INT's, therefore, he had the better year. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 No he is not wrong. He had 10 INT's, therefore, he had the better year. Period. interceptions are probably one of the worst stats to use when evaluating players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hochuli 3:16 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 interceptions are probably one of the worst stats to use when evaluating players. What's better then INT's to grade a CB? What do you want to use, tackles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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