Caleb tied for 11th in MVP Odds

[adam]

Higher than I expected to be honest. Considering Goff is lower, and only Daniels is higher as a 2nd year QB. So Maye, McCarthy, Penix are all lower. 

 

[ASHKUM BEAR]

Caleb has the coach and weapons to be top 5. He has to make to right decisions and be quick.  He forced a throw to Odunze in the EZ who was doubled when Swift was open close to the 1st down marker. Stop those hero throws and take what is given and live for another shot.

I'd like to see more out of Odunze too than he has shown in the preseason. He needs to win those contested catches.  Its like our top 10 picks are nice guys who hover that average level.  Get to that good level or the great level.  

KC played great D, the zone they dropped to didnt leave many windows.  I cant wait to see how BJ adjusts his game to counter Ds. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Makes no sense for him to be this high with what we have seen - doesn’t mean his future isn’t bright though - but he has a lot on his list of things to really develop and to start stacking together. 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

13 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Caleb has the coach and weapons to be top 5. He has to make to right decisions and be quick.  He forced a throw to Odunze in the EZ who was doubled when Swift was open close to the 1st down marker. Stop those hero throws and take what is given and live for another shot.

I'd like to see more out of Odunze too than he has shown in the preseason. He needs to win those contested catches.  Its like our top 10 picks are nice guys who hover that average level.  Get to that good level or the great level.  

KC played great D, the zone they dropped to didnt leave many windows.  I cant wait to see how BJ adjusts his game to counter Ds. 

One thing to point out - but Mahomes burned the Bears multiple times over on plays where he ran around holding the ball forever and than making something special happen. Like Caleb - there will be moments for him to do that - but he also has to take the easy and let the game come with him, because when he does that - the defense won’t be able to cheat as much and a lot more big things will happen. 
 

Hopefully the Bears can develop an effective running game this year cause that would go a long ways - especially knowing how adept BJ is at calling and designing the play action passing game. 

[BearFan PHX]

49 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Makes no sense for him to be this high with what we have seen - doesn’t mean his future isn’t bright though - but he has a lot on his list of things to really develop and to start stacking together. 

if this was a current ranking, then youre 100% correct. I think instead this was ranking the odds that they will be MVP at the end of the year, so it's not based on what we have seen as much as what they think we might see this year?

[adam]

16 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

if this was a current ranking, then youre 100% correct. I think instead this was ranking the odds that they will be MVP at the end of the year, so it's not based on what we have seen as much as what they think we might see this year?

Vegas is normally in the ballpark on these because they make the most money when they are closest to the middle. So plus or minus 2-3 spots. So they think Caleb will be somewhere in the range of 8-14, which to me, checks out. He was 17th in Passing Yards last season and tied for 15th in TD Passes. So a few spots with a better coach and more weapons is not that far of a reach.
 

[adam]

17 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Makes no sense for him to be this high with what we have seen - doesn’t mean his future isn’t bright though - but he has a lot on his list of things to really develop and to start stacking together. 

Caleb was 17th in Passing Yards and 15th in Passing TDs in a completely dysfunctional offense as a rookie QB. Now entering his second year with better coaching and weapons, to me, it would seem like you could expect him to improve enough to be near the top 10.

He would've needed 310 more passing yards and 5 more passing TDs last season for 11th.  That is 18 more yards per game and basically one extra TD every 3 games. 

[BearFan PHX]

6 hours ago, adam said:

Vegas is normally in the ballpark on these because they make the most money when they are closest to the middle. So plus or minus 2-3 spots. So they think Caleb will be somewhere in the range of 8-14, which to me, checks out. He was 17th in Passing Yards last season and tied for 15th in TD Passes. So a few spots with a better coach and more weapons is not that far of a reach.
 

right. Im just saying the bet is where Caleb will be at the end of the season, not right now.

when DABEARS said

"Makes no sense for him to be this high with what we have seen - doesn’t mean his future isn’t bright though - but he has a lot on his list of things to really develop and to start stacking together. "

I was just saying - right based on what we've seen would be the MVP vote right now, but the bet is what the MVP vote will be at the end of this season, after we see more things than weve seen so far.

[adam]

9 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

right. Im just saying the bet is where Caleb will be at the end of the season, not right now.

when DABEARS said

"Makes no sense for him to be this high with what we have seen - doesn’t mean his future isn’t bright though - but he has a lot on his list of things to really develop and to start stacking together. "

I was just saying - right based on what we've seen would be the MVP vote right now, but the bet is what the MVP vote will be at the end of this season, after we see more things than weve seen so far.

Oh yeah, for sure, but even then, he wasn't that far off in the dysfunction last year.  

[BearFan PHX]

15 minutes ago, adam said:

Oh yeah, for sure, but even then, he wasn't that far off in the dysfunction last year.  

totally agree, and I also agree that where they have him ending up seems fair. And there is nothing that says he cant do better than that too this year.

Soon he should be a top 5 QB, thats what you expect from a consensus number one overall with his skill set.