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Charles Tillman deserves credit

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I looked at some stats today and found a nugget of interesting data. But first, what does the media spew out all the time about "Lovie Smith's defense"?

 

OMG! They're going to strip the ball. They're going to get turnovers.

 

Well, guess what? They're tied for 13th in the NFL in terms of forced fumbles with 14. And on top of that, only three teams in the top 16 recover less of those forced fumbles.

 

>TEAM    FF    REC    PER
KC    15    16    106.67%
DEN    14    13    92.86%
PHI    23    21    91.30%
NYJ    18    16    88.89%
BUF    15    13    86.67%
PIT    19    15    78.95%
ARI    14    11    78.57%
TEN    17    12    70.59%
MIA    18    12    66.67%
SD    19    11    57.89%
CAR    16    9    56.25%
CHI    14    7    50.00%
IND    19    9    47.37%
STL    15    7    46.67%
WAS    16    6    37.50%

 

Since Tillman has 10 of those FFs, and his FFs led to 2 of the recoveries, I'd expect Lovie to get Tillman a VERY big Christmas present/bonus this year. Because without Tillman, the Lovie Smith defense gets exposed more than it already has been.

Chicken or the egg?

 

I looked at some stats today and found a nugget of interesting data. But first, what does the media spew out all the time about "Lovie Smith's defense"?

 

OMG! They're going to strip the ball. They're going to get turnovers.

 

Well, guess what? They're tied for 13th in the NFL in terms of forced fumbles with 14. And on top of that, only three teams in the top 16 recover less of those forced fumbles.

 

>TEAM    FF    REC    PER
KC    15    16    106.67%
DEN    14    13    92.86%
PHI    23    21    91.30%
NYJ    18    16    88.89%
BUF    15    13    86.67%
PIT    19    15    78.95%
ARI    14    11    78.57%
TEN    17    12    70.59%
MIA    18    12    66.67%
SD    19    11    57.89%
CAR    16    9    56.25%
CHI    14    7    50.00%
IND    19    9    47.37%
STL    15    7    46.67%
WAS    16    6    37.50%

 

Since Tillman has 10 of those FFs, and his FFs led to 2 of the recoveries, I'd expect Lovie to get Tillman a VERY big Christmas present/bonus this year. Because without Tillman, the Lovie Smith defense gets exposed more than it already has been.

 

Are recoveries forced by the other team counted in that? Odd that KC has more recoveries than forced fumbles.

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Where are you getting your numbers from? Yahoo Sports says:

 

NE - 22

CHI - 20

DEN - 18

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?g...&timeframe=

 

Either way, it is not "Lovie Smith's" defense. It has been Tillman+ whoever else gets a turnover.

 

I got it from Pro Football Reference. I typically trust their numbers since that's all they do as a "job," but you never know.

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Are recoveries forced by the other team counted in that? Odd that KC has more recoveries than forced fumbles.

 

Not sure. I noticed that too and thought it odd.

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