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and the same with my numbers, I didn't account for any WR beyond WR3, or TE2. Duvernay, Zaccheaus, Scott, or Smythe. Zaccheaus had 45 receptions last year. I am not saying it will be a lot but even a few catches per player beyond the ones we listed would bump up Caleb's numbers by at least 100-200 yards.

Good to see for the Bears. It looks like the Texans are the first team ever to give a fully guaranteed contract to a 2nd rounder.

I agree with you. We had 562 attempts last year with bad play calling and junk OL. This year we have Johnson and more targets and an improved OL.

I think the stars are alinging for a SB this year.

bingo

Cliff Stein

Da Pope, Da Bears, Da Super Bowl.... Lord, hear our prayer!

I made this (optimistic!) prediction a week or two ago, and Im gonna stick with it this year - well see how right or wrong I got it. My total guess, assuming LT isnt a total disaster, and Caleb isnt running for his life: Caleb Williams 4,050 yards passing DJ Moore 800 yds receiving Rome Odunze 1,050 yds receiving Luther Burden 600 yds receiving Colston Loveland 750 yds receiving Cole Kmet 350 yds receiving HBs 500 yds receiving

My perfect world prediction was: Williams 395-580, 68.1%, 4490 yds, 7.7 Y/A, 31 TD, 8 INT He does have Williams missing 2 games, so the TDs look spot on, but I doubt he doubles his INT rate. Also, if he only averages 35 extra passing yards a game with the addition of Ben Johnson, the new O-Line, Loveland, and Burden, then I still see that as a failure. Stroud threw for 4100 in 15 games as a rookie but Caleb with everything around him better will throw for 500 fewer yards?

Everyone can have an opinion, and it is always safer to go lower because that only increases the chances of the player of meeting the expectations, but in this case, this would not be a successful season for Caleb outside of the 28 TDs.

I assume you were asking my opinion on the 2022 draft as part of an argument to prove that Poles is good. So i answered the main point.

There is no changing your mind on anything. i just respond to posts. I asked your opinion on grading the draft and then you're all over the place and didnt even answer the question.

Today 5 rookies signed contracts. Loveland 26.6 mil, 14 mil bonus Kyle Momongai----Newman---Frazier---Hippolite Who was the contract guy that left that was quick with signing players? He must have come back.

See this is the problem. All I care about is the Bears. You seem to care about winning points with me. We will see how this all works out in time.

You keep making comments like( Poles could have drafted Stroud), you say Poles was lucky with the trade, you keep defering to giving him credit . I rated the draft a B and your first statement is calm down I only expect A+ grades for everybody. I gave him a B and listed his fails. I asked for your 2022 grade and look what you wrote. I just respond to some of your opinions just like you do to mine. But for some reason, mine are all ridiclous and yours comes from the FOOTBALL BIBLE. If I was on here hammering Caleb for not being good his first year, holding the ball to long, not seeing open players, rarely hitting his outlet throws instead of taking sacks. You would be all over me with your opinions but when I talk up Poles, Im overdoing it. This is a fan board giving opinions, no reason to get excited every time I disagree with you.

The stats are painting the wrong picture. You say he is wide open on 80% of his catches. You also say he has low targets. This means he doesnt get open often. It means when a defense fails, he is WIDE open and can catch. ANYONE who is wide open can catch. But he doesnt get open enough. Apparently we DO have a blue chip TE now. So why pay TE2 $11.6M a year when you have so many mouths to feed on offense anyway? You can get a cheaper inline TE2 and improve the team in other ways. The only reason you want to keep him is that once someone is on the team, you ALWAYS want to keep them. To you, someone on the team is family, and someone who isnt currently on the team is not. But maybe youd love a different player we could get with that money on the defensive line? Kmet doesnt suck, but we are paying him too much, and those resources could do more good for us somewhere else. Thats why I think we will trade him next year or this year at the deadline.

I posted tape 9 entries ago on this post. I dont think any team in the league has blue chip players at very position on their teams. I agree he is a good player and not great. Out of his 47 catches he had 8 contested catches. He is wide open on 80% of his catches. Had the highest catch rate with TEs in the league 2 yrs in a row. The bottom line is how long will the bears keep him? I say he plays out his contract. Which teams we played last yr played mostly man against us?

Dude calm down - its like you feel anything less than an A+ is an attack on family or something. You're obsessively overly positive about every member of the team. Ive already said that Poles has done a lot of good things. Im not trying to get rid of him now. I think he has done some things well and other things less well, and also received credit for things that he really didnt do - like Carolina winning in the last second so we could have CW. It's OK to have a nuanced opinion that includes positives and negatives. Maybe your psychological idea that people are entirely negative or positive applies to you, but for most of us, there is good and bad in everything. But Poles doesnt need you to defend him from me. Here are some partial lists off the top of my head THE GOOD disciplined cap management good picks in the secondary THE BAD Eberflus Getsy Waldron Morgan Claypool Velus Jones Nate Davis THE MIDDLE Extending Kmet DJ Moore THE QUESTIONABLE the OL over his tenure the DL over his tenure THE WAYS HE GOT LUCKY Caleb Williams

How do you grade his first draft? 2022 Blue player Kyler Gordon, starters Brisker, Jones. 3 yr starters Trent Gill, Jack Sandborn . quaility backups Elijah Hicks and Josh Blackwell. Roster players Robinson and Kramer.

agree with all of this. In not knocking what Poles DID do, just saying that he gets credit for being lucky too. If Carolina wins 2 more games, we end up with Drake Maye instead of Caleb Williams, and this all looks really different.

funny. you didnt post tape, you posted stats. Im saying YOU should look at the tape. Kmet is decent but not great. He doesnt get open vs man coverage, either by moves or west coast style body position. He is stiff, and in only open when there is a hole in the zone. Why do you think his targets are low? Because he isnt open. Yes, he can catch the ball when he is open and you throw it to him. A lot of guys can. But he isnt worth what we are paying him, especially now with Loveland on the roster. Time will tell.

I dont think its ever fair to look back after one year. You can go thru and take the best rookies and say we should have drafted them. Odunze has a high upside and shouldnt be judged on a team with Allen, DJ, and Kmet and have high expectations. Nabors and Bowers were the main target in their bad teams. Nabors had 170 targets, Bowers 153, Brian Thomas 133 Odunze 101. We had a bad offense with a rookie QB.

When Poles was hired he was handed the coach by the committee they had. He was new and wasnt going to rock the boat. Fields was there so any GM is going to give a first round pick a chance to prove himself. I think both V Jones and Claypool were reaches to try to give Fields a better WR corp. He was getting hammered in the press for not having weapons. I also think he wanted to interveiw Harbaugh but Warren nixxed that interview. I think he has did an excelllent job managing the Cap. I think he is learning on the job. Truthfully his first draft in 2022 is the only one you can measure logically. We didnt have a first round pick. We had 11 total up from 7 to begin with. 7 are still on the roster. Gill was our punter for 3 yrs, Sanborn and Blackwell were UDFAs with Blackwell still on the roster.. Gordon, Prisker, Braxton, Hicks , Sanborn, (now gone) and Blackwell would have be considered successful players. Kramer and Robinison will probably be gone this yr with a upgraded roster but are still here. V Jones was a bust, other later rounds picks lasted awhile but are gone. Looking back I would give this a B grade.