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So basically, the Bears 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks had 2nd round grades on some people's charts.
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You re-linking my link?
Can you say speed, we have some athletes:
Cornelius Washington 4.55, 36 reps at 265
Job Bostic 4.61 at 245 (ran 4.50 at Pro Day)
Khaseem Green 4.71 at 241 (ran 4.61 at Pro Day)
Kyle Long 4.94 at 313
I think that's the one thing we can say about this administration, they want to play fast.
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Robinson went to Jax in the 5th.
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PFW projects Bostic as a MLB. If that's the case, this makes sense.
What's head-scratching about this is that Greene was projected as a 2nd-3rd rounder and Bostic a 3rd to 4th rounder. So we take Bostic in the 2nd and Greene in the 4th. They have almost identical size and speed.
The Bears LB's are going to cover some serious ground.
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I'd expect this is the end for a while of the talk of the Bears moving to a 4-3. If these guys play the way they ought to be able to, this is one dynamic core of 4-3 LB's.
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Suddenly goes from a position of weakness to a position of strength. Seriously upgraded at LB over the Bears D from last year.
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I'd pick Rogers if I was confident in his personal issues.
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Man, there go all the QB's.
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The other big takeaway from this draft for the Bears IMO: Don't listen to any "experts" in the media when it comes to the Bears. We hear all sorts of people from the Trib or the Sun-Times or national media or bloggers say what they are hearing as far as guys the Bears like. I'm pretty sure we never heard either Kyle Long or Jon Bostic at any point.
Another thing to take away...the Bears want speed.
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Why did the Bears draft Long where they did? Thursday night, I figured that general manager Phil Emery would surely provide his reasons. And after reviewing his comments, it appears the Bears' assessment of Long's pure athletic traits overrode any concerns about experience and background. Emery also noted the NFL has trended toward offensive and defensive linemen at the top of recent drafts, elevating his assessment of where Long would and wouldn't be available.
"It's hard to outweigh measurables because he's rare," Emery said.
Emery and the Bears rely on a metric he referred to as the "Athletic Index Score," which measures players "where they are as athletes," he said. According to Emery, Long earned the highest ranking of any offensive guard over the past 12 draft classes. Indeed, Long ran the best 40 time (4.94 seconds) of any guard at the NFL scouting combine. That's pretty quick for a 6-foot-6, 313-pound man.
I won't pretend to know what else goes into the "Athletic Index Score" or how relevant it is for an interior lineman. Emery said Long's lateral agility and feet make his every movement during a play impressive.
Regardless, in any other year, Long almost certainly would have been an interesting second- or third-round prospect. But the Bears clearly felt they needed to skew their assessment of his likely draft value based on historical research.
"It's interesting because the trend the last five years, opposed to the previous 10-year average, the trend is going towards offensive linemen and defensive linemen -- pass protectors, pass rushers," Emery said. "It's almost doubled in both those areas in the last five years."
We will never know if the Bears could have drafted another player in the first round and then circled back to get Long in the second. But it's clear that Emery isn't beyond taking an independent value of the draft. He and his staff really liked Long -- "We've targeted him for the last couple weeks," Emery said -- and they weren't going to get caught up in value mirco-analysis on their way to drafting him.
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HA Im a geologist, believe it or not
How about that, I'm not the only one.
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And then ended up with who at OG in the 2nd?
Admins, how do I block posters? Some peoples ignorance on this board is just absolutely dreadful.
I'll assume this is a serious Q.
Click on the poster's name to go to their profile. Look under the left hand column for an item labeled "options". Click on that, it will open a pulldown menu where you can select "Ignore poster".
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I'm pretty convinced the rumors we're hearing are calculated to prompt a trade. The Te'o stuff is trying to entice the Vikings and the Ravens to move up, and the recent Trufant rumor is to get the attention of the Falcons (who are thought to be targeting a CB). I really don't put much stock in it.
Yeah, at this point, assuming everything is a smokescreen is correct. The one thing Emery made clear is that he's open to trading down, talking about players other teams like can make those trade happen.
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Yeah obviously, 6-10? Now the Bears could very well end up 8-8, but 6-10, that is highly unlikely.
Well...if Cutler got hurt...
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Of course he does. He's broke. He'd play for any one.
I want the Bears to sign me to a $10 million contract to replace Cutler also!
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Camp fodder or a sign that we don't want to pay Robbie so much?
Isn't Gould still recovering from an injury?
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That's encouraging. I just worry it was because Drew Brees is so damn good. Cutler is more likely to get an offensive lineman fired. It could also have to do with Sean Peyton's influence. Kind of like Bill Bellichick always has great assistants who suck elsewhere. I hope you're right and Kromer is the difference maker.
No matter how good Brees was at reacting and getting rid of the ball quickly, they also had a system designed to play to his strengths.
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What does Forte have to do to be better than "very good" in your eyes? He is 4th in total rushing and receiving yards in the last 5 years with some strong players:
Be better in short yardage and stay healthy.
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Why do I remember this name?
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LinkAs the April 25 draft approaches, a number of respected mock drafters -- including ESPN's Todd McShay and the Chicago Tribune's Dan Pompei -- predict the Bears will make Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert the No. 20 overall pick of the draft. Meanwhile, Michael C. Wright of ESPNChicago.com reports the Bears have genuine interest in Stanford tight end Zach Ertz.So what's going on here? Have the mock drafters forgotten about Bennett and Maneri? Do they really think the Bears would use one of their five draft picks to further stock the tight end position when more pressing short- and long-term needs exist at other positions?
Here's what I can tell you: The Bears aren't just working back from a deficit at the position. Statistically speaking, at least, they had one of the worst tight end situations in the NFL last season. As the chart shows, Bears tight ends had the NFL's lowest production in terms of receptions. Only two teams targeted their tight ends fewer times than the Bears.
Can Bennett alone spark a turnaround? (Maneri is generally considered a blocking tight end.) That might be a lot of pressure to put on one player who has caught more than 20 passes in only two of his five seasons. And it's worth noting that Bennett's contract, ostensibly worth $20.4 million, is probably better viewed as a one-year deal worth $5.315 million. Bennett's 2014 salary includes $4 million guaranteed for injury only, which means the Bears could release him if he is healthy after the 2013 season without owing him more money. (It will be guaranteed for skill as well as injury if he is on the roster on the third day of the 2014 league year.)
I don't think you could argue that tight end is the Bears' top need entering the draft. On the other hand, everything must be viewed in context. The Bears' pick at No. 20 overall puts them in good position to select the best tight end in the draft. Indeed, over the past 10 drafts, 10 tight ends have been selected in the first round. Only two, Vernon Davis in 2006 and Kellen Winslow in 2004, were selected higher than No. 20.
Pass-catching tight ends are a requirement in modern-day NFL offenses, and last year the Bears didn't have one. If they are serious about making it a strength of their offense, perhaps they do need more than one.
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On this I agree and #20 makes a lot of sense for teams to move up out of the second to get their QB. But there is that issue of will they feel like taking that risk and might it be better to trade back in the first round (i.e. AZ drop back from 7 to 12) and grab the QB. Gotta figure in the usual GMs on the hot seat versus GMs that are new and have time.
If one or more of the QB's are taken before pick 20, that just means even more of the D-Line/O-Line/other guys will be available at 20.
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Yes everyone wants to trade down but in this not-so-talented but deep and balanced draft who wants to trade up? For who? I've read more about the teams that like QBs might as well take them in the 1st round. Are they worth the value of the pick? No but they might not be there when you get to your second round pick?
So trade up from the second and grab your QB. Why? Isn't it better to grab the QB in Rd 1 and then your Oline, WR, or whatever in Rd 2 and 3? Yes there will be trades but I think it's going to be hard to find trading partners and so that will make it more of a buyers (moving up) market.
Fact is things have changed now that their are salary slots for the rookies so the risk/reward of what teams pay a 1st Rd pick isn't as great. Plus, something I didn't know is that teams drafting a QB in Rd 1 (or any player) can keep them with an option for the 5th year. Gives you a little more time for these guys to develop before that next big contract.
Players worth trading up for are the top 3 OTs. Beyond that who or what position? I suspect there will be some trades for QBs in the late first but can't see teams giving up a lot to go get any of these guys. I can see some trades similar to what we did last year trading up just 5 picks to grab Alshon Jeffrey but that doesn't generate an extra early round pick. There might be some interest in some of the early defensive players too. Then again, draft day always has some interesting twists!
For the moment for the first time in years I'm comfortable saying we won't be picking a S in the 3rd Rd.
Don't let yourself forget the key reason why teams trade up; a player drops. In a draft without elite talent, that's particularly likely to happen. Some team in the top 15 will pick a guy who team x had graded out as a second rounder, and consequently, there will be a guy availiable at 20 who team y never imagined would last that long.
That's when teams trade up. They don't do it now, they do it when a guy falls that they've been salivating over.
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I'm not really into the whole jersey retiring thing anyways. Let players wear whatever number they want and let the history take care of itself.
Singeltary's number isn't even retired. Shea McCellin is wearing Dan Hampton's old number. Did they put a call into him as well? Just seems odd.
When a team starts training camp with what, 80+ players on its roster, and has 100 numbers to hand out, it's hard to retire numbers.
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I actually think it will be a 2nd, 3rd and 5th for our first round. I dont see 49ers giving away that much to move up 10 spots for a pick. I having been reading different positions and after Millner,Rhoades, I think Banks is the next best CB in the draft.
Just because one team won't give up 2 2nd rounders to move up doesn't mean the bears can't parlay that first rounder into a pair of 2nd rounders if they work through a couple teams.
UDFA Signings Thread
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And also remember, there are a lot of UDFA's who make the pro bowl every year. When you get one of those, it's a great way to make your team suddenly a lot better out of no where.