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But unlike those, he holds no championships... And it's plain sad that he is the 3rd winningest coach in Bears history. Hoever, Halas pretty much has the record for games coached...so we're only really talking the modern era. And look at the banner names that lead...Gibron, Wanny, Jauron, etc... This city deserves better. I don't want Wayne Fontes (just good enough to make playoffs and keep his job...) I want to win it all. And I disagree that I just want to see improvement. I want to see SIGNIFICANT improvement. I realize, I make no bones about my dislike of Smith as head coach. If he does a knockout job of coaching making good decisions, showing adjustments at halftime at minimum, challenging the right wrong calls, having his d-backs not just line up 10 yds off the LOS, etc...and making a solid run into the playoffs, I've got no problem hodling onto him and making a needed extention for a year if the lockout/strike occurs. Anything less than that should result in a pink slip.

Agreed.

That's Mr. ButkUs! Why would any player ever rip Butkus and Sayers? "Dang, those guys try too hard! Sayers runs too well! Butkus scares the opponent too much! Bad Gale! Bad Dick!" Funny. No one's ever dissed Ray Lewis for anything other than his limo incident... Url doth protest too much. Must be some truth in there...

Here you go... http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,5911753.story

I do like Url, but he needs to shut his pie hole and play the game. Deeds not words...

Butkus just responded... http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...h-urlacher.html Butkus backs Sayers in rift with Urlacher May 20, 2010 1:47 PM | 11 Comments | UPDATED STORY By Fred Mitchell The firestorm from the Brian Urlacher-Gale Sayers war of words was rekindled Thursday when Hall of Fame linebacker Dick Butkus jumped to the defense of his former teammate. Urlacher had publicly chastised Sayers for questioning the potential of the 2010 Bears during a May 4 speaking engagement in Nebraska. Urlacher responded by saying: "Let me ask you a question: How many championships did Gale Sayers win? How many playoff games did he win when he played? None. None. None." On Thursday, Butkus responded from his Southern California home, telling the Tribune: "It's a real reach to say: 'What did Gale do?' (Shoot), Urlacher wasn't even born yet, what does he know? "I say things to other people, too, about the Bears. It's total frustration. You think (Sayers) is saying it because he hates the Bears? You get so tired of sitting there watching them." Photo: Dick Butler on Brian Urlacher's criticism of Gale Sayers: "What does he know?" (Nuccio DiNuzzo/Tribune) Butkus and Sayers were first-round draft picks of the Bears in 1965; the first duo to become Hall of Fame players for the same team from the opening round of the draft. Sayers still holds the NFL rookie record of 22 touchdowns in '65, including six TDs in one game. Urlacher discredited the opinion of Sayers by pointing out that he played on the 1-13 team in 1969, even though Sayers gained over 1,000 yards in a 14-game season after undergoing major knee surgery the previous year. "I think he is a little out of line by the way he is handling the whole thing and blaming the whole (1969) season on Gale," said Butkus of Urlacher. "That's uncalled for." Because of knee injuries, Sayers played in only 68 games before becoming the youngest man to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame at the age of 34. On Wednesday, Sayers told the Tribune: "I knew I couldn't play anymore, and I left the team. I saw that I couldn't run the ball anymore. Every time I fell on the AstroTurf, it hurt my knee. I told (former Bears coach) Abe Gibron during an exhibition game in St. Louis. I walked inside (at halftime) and said, 'It didn't work; I'm through.' "I am quite sure people were talking about me...'He doesn't have it anymore.' And I knew I didn't have it anymore. So I gave it up. You have to prepare to quit, and I did that during my career. Hey, I gave it up and I didn't look back." Urlacher also was upset that Sayers questioned the fact the star linebacker might have difficulty returning to his Pro Bowl level after a serious (wrist) injury kept him out most of last season. "The truth of the matter is that I think Gale is absolutely right when you talk about a linebacker who has played nine years and he is coming back off an injury," Butkus said. "I would say that there should be some concern whether he can reach his ability again. "I've gone through it. To go nine years and come out with knee injuries...you know your ability is going to be hampered a little bit. (Urlacher) is dead wrong right there. Maybe that's why he was trying to deflect that part of it by saying: 'Well, what does he know? He never won.' "It's a little defensive move on his part. His pride got hurt," Butkus said.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/ Seems about right... Only John Fox who has only one year on his contract and Tom Cable are avobe him on their list...

Terra beat ya to it... http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5929

http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6781

Fifth-round pick signs deal By Sean Jensenon May 18, 2010 1:11 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBacks (0) Josh Moore, the Bears fifth-round pick, has signed a four-year deal that includes $198,000 in guaranteed money. A cornerback from Kansas State, Moore was selected to provide depth and help the special teams. Moore is the second of the team's draft picks to sign

Me too. I'm partial to Phoebe Cates...

Until he gets shell shocked again with the pourous O-Line... Besides coaching, I really worry about our O-line...

I can't help but laugh! That's like asking which car you like better...the Pinto, Gremlin or Yugo.

As long at Smith is HC, I am weary... I expect the same things to happen unless I'm proven wrong. Just having Martz and Tice does not mean the puppetmaster still isn't pulling the strings...

Rex Grossman is our quarterback...

My money's on the guy with the thicker neck. Bungelo's head is attached to his shoulders with a straw...

AMEN!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/11/arts/art...azetta.html?hpw I, for one, was a huge fan of his work. He will be greatly missed.

Congrats!

nice!

Again, you state much of what I'm trying to say far more eloquently than myslef...

Fair enough. I now get a bigger perspective of what you're trying to say. You are correct in my chief complaint of the Bears' policies/procedures. However, i do have circumstantial concern that something isn't quite right in the state of Denmark as it relates to their skills. I have no real evidence other than guy that were perrenially injured with us, have seemed to be healthy elsewhere. Could be random. But I simply watch with a very weary eye.

Thank you for clarifying some of the facts of the case. I still don't understand how abnormal results would not have been relayed to the patient? Just makes no logical sense to me... Your no freakin' duh comment simply amuses me... You're the one that compared human life to a car anbd fixing computers. I'm not sure what doctors you've dealt with in your life, but if they've treated you like Freeman was treated, I'd look for better. I take a battery of tests, and my doctors alert me to anything that I should even remotely be aware of. I'd certainly hope any doctor seeing an abnormal result would at least let the poor man know. That's fraud by omission. This guy thinks all is well, and may not be. If the Bears docs saw results of an older test, they should have made mention to the young man. And said your new one looks OK, but maybe you should seek further tests. Just as you apparently get irritated by those who relay opinion about something w/o 100% of knowledge, I'm equally irritated by those who say people cannot make a reasonable hypothesis based on the info at hand. The only load of crap here is the person who didn't relay the info to Freeman. Someone doesn't have to administer a test to relay results. All the facts should have been presented to the young man by any doctor involved, whether the Bears or not. Shame on all of them.

Nor am I a doctor, but I have a history of heart issues that run in my family, and an abnormal EKG is a MAJOR warning sign. Follow up must be done. It may amount to something more minor, but it is a serious flag. You may compare it to a check engine light, and there is some validity. However, unlike a mechanic, a doctor has a bit more responsibility. Both to the patient and his employer. I stress that people should not take these matters and toss it aside like a car tune up. This is life and death here, not a powertrain. You toss off doctor responsibility like it were software. It's not. I have a handful of friends that are doctors, and they will readily admit to that. It's why they got into the profession besides the money. They may not want to run the follow-up tests because that would cost the McCaskey's money, but they have a respnsibility to let the patient know that there could be issues and that he should look into it further. And isn't that just being a good human for heaven's sake? I have no idea why these doctor's didn't catch this/make mention/etc. We may never really know. But it simply adds more fuel to the fire that they are not up to par. Are you really shocked that people are clammoring for new doctors? Have you read that the league, the Surgeon General and the UN contact the Bears medical staff any time there's a medical issue to discuss? Something tells me that's not the case. So, asking for something new implies a desire for better. Kind of like our GM, owenrs,etc... It's really all part of the same beast to some. The management is inept, and it would appear it could stretch to the medical staff as well. This isn't a court of law, it's a court of opinion. And there appears to be enough cause for concern over our current medical staff.

That's not the crux of the discussion here. Maybe it should be, but we're really talking under the context of medical crews for NFL teams. The point is that it would appear our doctors are not quite as good as one would hope. Thus adding credibility to a laundry list of compaints that have at minimum started with Sayers, Ditka, and Butkus and have continued through the decades. Everyone on earth needs to look after themselves, and really it's their own ultimate responsibility to do so regardless of one's poltitical/religious/philosophical leaning. Let's not look at this like a religious/poltical/philosophical discussion of doctors and their place in society...let's look at the crew we have as being sub-par for the NFL. Numerous players have not been properly diagnosed, seem to be constantly injured, or don't heal properly while under watch of this crew. Is it random bad luck, poor doctoring, or worse...some decree from above to make thigs happen one way or another? I think it's a mix of A & B...