madlithuanian

Well said...

I'm not so sure Belichecik would take Walter out of the game. That 85 Pat's squad has some gamers on it. The '07 version has allowed some yards. ...and it's PAYTON, not Michael Turner or Maurice Jones-Drew! Mac threw it all over the yard agasint most teams that year...I have no reason to think he couldn't do it against the 07 Pats. Mac didn't have any turnovers in the playoffs...Brady has. I think the Bears would be the ones forcing turnovers.

I simply beg to differ. I'd love to see the game...and I bet that Brady's uni wouldn't be clean after that game.

Isn't that why we're here to some extent? To talk about these kinds of silly things? Of course (many of) us are going to think the 85 Bears are best! It is really a silly and impossible task to compare any teams, regardless of era even. But what elese are we to do now? The draft's far away, and the SB is going on with no Bears team. With all the talk the media is having over best ever, etc...it seems only quasi logical that it would be an interesting topic of conversation. I'm just happy as a Bears fan, that we're invited to the dance when best of all time teams are being considered!

Here's my article on it...admin's, feel free to post! The 1985 Chicago Bears vs. The 2007 New England Patriots By The Mad Lithuanian 1/31/08 Here we are, just days before the Super Bowl. The underdog New York Giants are taking on the New England Patriots juggernaut. At the moment, the Patriots are only favored by 12, and many seem to be taking the Giants and the points. But, for my money, I’m taking the Patriots to cover. Two weeks for the Pats to prepare, and two weeks for the Giants to cool off should result in an eventual blow out. I see it close in the first half, then I see the Pats running away with it. With this eventual win, what most people are asking is, “Are the 2007 Patriots the best team of all time?”. Well, they deserve to be considered and invited to the dance. But…no. They aren’t the best. With all due respect to the 49’ers, Steelers, and Cowboys greats…they are not the best. ’72 Dolphins, you say? They went perfect, but they were far from it. The Bills Super Bowl teams would have eaten them for dinner. And they never won. So, “Who?”, you say. The 1985 Chicago Bears, my friend; that’s who. Let’s compare the rosters, shall we? First the offense: QB: Tom Brady (NE) vs. Jim McMahon (CHI). In a fight, Jimmy Mac would beat Brady like a Glass Joe. But in football, you’d give the edge to Brady. He’s just put up silly numbers with a silly corps of receivers. Brady got to throw to record breaking Moss, Mac threw to fast Willie Gault. Gault may have had world class speed, but certainly not world class hands. Jimmy was a better scrambler and didn’t mind getting hit…even though a cheap shot by a Packer eventually put his career in a tailspin. For toughness, Mad Mac, but for skill, Brady gets the edge. But, wouldn’t you much rather down a 12 pack with Jimmy Mac than swill a Cosmo with Tom Terrific? Edge: Brady RB: Lawrence Maroney (NE) vs. Walter Payton (CHI). ‘Nuff said. Walter. Next. Edge: Payton FB: Heath Evans (NE) vs. Matt Suey (CHI). - Evans is a nice big kid, but Suey’s a better blocker and had better hands. Edge: Suey WR: Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Donte Stallworth (NE) vs. Willie Gault, Dennis McKinnon, Dennis Gentry (CHI). No contest here. Future Hall of Famer, Moss, is better than all three Bears receivers put together. Heck, Welker probably is too. Gault is basically Stallworth. Edge: Moss, Welker, Stallworth TE: Ben Watson (NE) vs. Emery Moorehead (CHI). Moorehead’s a great guy, but not a great tight end. Watson is. After Gates, Clark and Witten, Watson’s the best in the league right now. Edge: Watson LT: Matt Light (NE) vs. Jim Covert (CHI.). It’s a wash. Both are exceptional. Edge: None LG: Logan Mankins (NE) vs. Mark Bortz (CHI). Another wash. Edge: None C: Dan Koppen (NE) vs. Jay Hilgenberg (CHI). See LT and LG. Edge: None RG: Stephen Neal (NE) vs. Tom Thayer (CHI). Maybe a slight edge to Thayer, but it’s a virtual wash again. Edge: None RT: Nick Kaczur (NE) vs. Keith Van Horne (CHI). Maybe another slight edge to Van Horne, but again, a virtual wash. Edge: None Overall all Offensive Edge: None. The Bears ran better and the Patriots threw better. Now the defense: DE: Richard Seymour, Ty Warren (NE) vs. Richard Dent, Dan Hampton (CHI). Seymour belongs in the company of Dent. But Danimal Hampton trumps ‘em all. The Hall of Famer is simply an animal! Edge: Dent, Hampton DT: Vince Wilfork, Rashad Moore (NE) vs. William Perry, Steve McMichael (CHI). Unless Wilfork’s playing dirty, The Fridge and Mongo win this battle. Not enough people credit the Fridge’s ability to stuff the run and get pressure on the QB. Besides peddling McDLT’s, the Fridge could play ball. Heck, he’s the Pat’s answer to Vrabel 20+ years ago… Mongo McMichael was also a force to be reckoned with. And not just in the ‘rasslin’ ring. He could bring it, and played with an abandon rarely seen these days. Edge: Perry, McMichael OLB: Mike Vrabel, Adalius Thomas (NE) vs. Wilbur Marshall, Otis Wilson (CHI.). Vrabel and Thomas are quite excellent. But they aren’t what pro bowlers Wilbur and Mama’s Boy Otis were! However, this isn’t a runaway for the Bears. All considered, it’s probably a virtual wash here too. Edge: None MLB: Tedy Bruschi, Junior Seau (NE) vs. Mike Singletary, Ron Rivera (CHI) This is a tough one. Bruschi’s a hell of a player. So is Seau. But this isn’t a youthful Seau. This is a Seau who got his arm broken by current Bears RB bust, Cedric Benson, just last season. Then comes Singletary. The eyes, man! Fear the eyes! Rivera’s not much other than a role player and the Bears didn’t play a 3-4, they played a 4-3. You have to go with the Hall of Famer and arguably, best of all time, Mike Singletary here. But, since Rivera isn’t the beast Samurai Mike is, let’s call this one a wash to throw New England a bone. Edge: None CB: Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs (NE) vs. Mike Richardson, Leslie Frazier (CHI). Samuel’s the best of the lot here, but the combo of Richardson and Frazier are better. Those guys could hit. And intercept. And sack. Edge: Richardson, Frazier S: Rodney Harrison, James Sanders (NE) vs. Gary Fencik, Dave Duerson (CHI). Harrison’s a hell of a player. Especially since not being on ‘roids. Sanders is just lucky to be in the line up. But Fencik and Duerson were all over the field delivered blows that would KO most heavyweight fighters. Again, the duo out-do the one. Edge: Fencik, Duerson Overall Defensive Edge: C’mon. The Bears easily. K: Stephen Gostkoski (NE) vs. Kevin Butler (CHI). – Although Gostkotski’s got a great Chicago name, it’s But-head! He was always money! And he head-butted offensive linemen and Jimmy Mac! But, Gostkowski’s done well. Let’s call it a tie. Edge: None P: Let’s be honest, did these teams ever punt? Next… KR/PR: Ellis Hobbs, Wes Welker (NE) vs. Dennis Gentry (CHI). Welker and Hobbs split duties while Gentry did it all. All 3 are quite decent. But none are Devin Hester. Let’s call it a wash. Edge: None Overall Special Teams Edge: None Coaching: Bill Belichick (NE) vs. Mike Ditka, Buddy Ryan (CHI). In the coolness and toughness department, Ditka and Ryan would kick Bill’s butt. Even with Ryan’s poor punching skills are once seen against Kevin Gilbride when with the Oilers. But, you give the edge to the tactician, Belichick. He does have more rings. But, he a bigger a-hole. Edge: Belichick So let’s check the scoreboard… Offense: NE : QB, WR, TE (3) CHI: RB, FB (2) Defense: NE: None (0) CHI: DE, DT, CB, S, Overall Edge (5) Special Teams: NE: None (0) CHI: None (0) Coaching: NE: Belichick (1) NE Total: 4 CHI Total: 7 Looks like a Chicago win. Again. Now that we know the 1985 Bears are better than the 2007 Patriots, how will they both be known? The Patriots are undefeated. The Bears only lost one game without its starting QB. The Patriots got caught cheating and didn’t have to forfeit a game or have its coach suspended. The Bears just beat teams without cheating. The Patriots had one of the all time best offenses. The Bears had one of the best all time defenses. The Patriots had a genius coach that no one likes. The Bears had 2 great coaches that everyone likes…except one another. The Patriots continually look for ways they’ve been slighted to find an edge. The Bears went out drinking heavily before games and just kicked butt because that’s what they do. The Patriots big media event was wondering how Brady and his supermodel girl are doing. The Bears big media event was McMahon mooning reporters. Don’t we wish it was a combo, and the supermodel girl mooned the media? The Patriots got introduced as a team, rebuking individuality. The Bears had the Super Bowl Shuffle, and allowed every individual to shine on the team. Sounds like communism vs American-ism. The Patriots have a credit card commercial. The Bears have a Saturday Night Live skit. The Patriots are from Boston. The Bears are from Chicago. In the regular season the Patriots were ranked 1 in offense, 13 in rushing, 1 in passing, 4 in defense, 10 in d rush and 6 in d passing. In the regular season, the Bears were ranked 7 in offense, 1 in rushing, 20 in passing, 1 in defense, 1 in d rush and 3 in d passing. Getting to the Super bowl, the Patriots won by a total of 52-32 (20pt margin, 10 per game). Going to the Super Bowl, the Bears won by a total of 45-0 (45pt margin, 22.5 per game)…not including a 46-10 win against the Pats in the Super Bowl. The Patriots have a fan in Ben Affleck. The Bears have a fan in Bill Murray. …it could go one forever. But as you can clearly tell…while the 2007 Patriots are a fantastic all time great team, they still aren’t better than the 1985 Bears!

All, My friend lives in Boston and is readying himself for being hounded all game on why the pats would beat the Bears. If I could so humbley ask, would any of you be willing to throw some stats together to assist a fellow Bears fan show how the Bears would indeed kill 'em? Much appreciated in advance!

Point well made. He makes Jackie Smith look like Jerry Rice...

There's a part of me that would gladly show him the door... But we are so thin at WR at the moment that I'd rather have him stick around with a contract restructure.

I LOVE DANIMAL! Testify!

I tend to agree. As much as it sounds really tasty on paper...there's something to these prima donna WR's that scare me. Although...if the tema were to get him, I sure wouldn't complain! ...at least yet!

Great thinking!

UPDATE: The Bulls are #1, and Bears are currently #2...keep votin'! Keep the Fishes in the water!

Maybe he should watch film of Ray Guy and learn how to properly do a coffin corner kick... I think your explanation is the truth in all honesty!

Ha! I too had soccer at the bottom! I'm not surprised...Jordan went beyond sports. He's probably the most recognizable athlete in the world still! There's still a lot of love out there for him!

I did the same with the Bears and Bulls... I didn't have Miami quite at the bottom, but they were towards the bottom!

Ha! I have the body of a 63 year old and the mind of a 13 year old! (nets to my real age of 38...)

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation...1&listId=86 C'mon guys! I'm more than OK with the Bulls up there as they should...but no way the freakin' '72 Fishes are better! (BEARS vs BULLS - "To pit 2 such mighty forces agasint one another would be a travesty to man...") Get out and get your vote on!

I wonder if that says anything about our upcoming offense.

Good deal! Yeah...I would classify myself as "mad"! Connor did do rather well in the Senior Bowl...

That's another great one!

I also would highly consider Connor at #14...

DRAFT GUYS MOCK: (Sticking with just one to keep the conversation tight!) 14. Chicago Bears – S Kenny Phillips, Miami Fl. DRAW - I'd go local and take RB Mendenhall from Illinois to compete with Benson. I think we need a vet safety and like what I've seen from Payne and MacGowan. 46. Chicago Bears – OLB Ali Highsmith, LSU HOLD - I like it. We need a Briggs replacement. 78. Chicago Bears – RB Ray Rice, Rutgers DRAW - Since I took RB at 1, now I see a S I like... S Tom Zbikowski, Notre Dame 91. Chicago Bears (from SD) – QB Joe Flacco, Delaware HOLD - I like it a lot for the round! I wouldn't mind an OT instead of S at 78 ...but I don't see a value there. We look to FA this season...

I say force fit draft guys! I'll run with that in my next post... For this topic, I think a dictatorship would work best! I didn't see the Josh Johnson comment! Thanks for pointing it out! I take it, you'd be OK with him if we took him.... Sounds like I would too...

I may be missing something...but I think if you narrowed it down to 1 mock, that would make it more streamlined. Seems like choosing your own opens up the field too much. Othewise this just become an excerzise in posting mocks... No?

You said it! It's all how the draft game is played!