madlithuanian

Good for you!

1. Yes. He's taken blame before. 2. Agreed. 3. Yes. However you agree to sit Cutler and just eat the salary as you groom the rookie. 4. They probably should...I just make a slim case for keeping him. Jeffery, Fuller, Young... There's certainly a case that he's in over his head with bad picks. Ego and Wil have done very little this season. As has Houston and Allen. 5. Cliff Stein can work wonders...but it'll hurt FA for 2 years. But isn't that better than just sucking as we have been? 6. I think the easy solution is to say you have Jay this year and we draft a future QB. Let the kid sit, and play Jay this year. Then swap roles in year 2. You'd have an expensive back-up, but didn't the Seahawks basically do that with Flynn and Wilson? I'm honestly not a fan of Harbaugh, but I'd take him in a minute.

Well, I think only Matt Forte hasn't moved back... He's the only one playing like a true pro.

Agreed. Another group with another step backwards from last season...

Forces our hand to put Mills back in...

One of the worst FA signings in our history...there have been worse, but this one is a bust pure and simple.

I'm not a fan of Phillips except as a DC. But, I'd take it I suppose. 3rd times the charm? I'd love to see a 3-4. What we have now certainly isn't working.

It's all about the Gambler...gotta know when to hold em, when to fold em. We had Smith for years. If we bounce Trestman after 2...that does not make a trend. They just need to make a good decision on the next.

Not at all. Allen has made some plays...Houston virtually none. Not happy w/ LB's other than Sharpton. But Willie Young looks to be a good pick up. Holmes should have been, but I think that's on the coordinators and Cutler. Bostic and Green seem like ST or camp fodder now...

Herring seems to have some passion... quote name='DABEARSDABOMB' date='Oct 27 2014, 09:47 AM' post='139546'] This is from Biggs trib article, 10 thoughts, which is usually one of my favorite reads. I really like Herring and I said all off-season that our LB corps were total stinkers and was a huge position of need. I'd say it is the weakest position on the entire roster. Herring would seem to agree. I bolded one part for added emphasis.

I'd have no problem w/ Harbaugh. But I just don't see that happening. Emery to me is the question mark. He's had enough draft hits and good FA pickups to make me want to keep him. However, he's had some fails too. And his biggest fails seem to the hiring of Trestman and his staff & putting all his eggs in the Cutler basket. Although, if he was relying on Trestman...I don't blame him as much. But it just means more blame must be put on his choice of Trestman. If there is a true talent GM out there...I'd have no problem bouncing Emery. As you said...he took a risk on Trestman. Usually when a risk fails, you are out. Agreed on feeling the worst since Wanny/Jauron. Although Jauron had the makings of a great D. I think I'm done trusting the organization to make the right decision. I will forever now be completely weary. I wanted McCoy or Arians before Trestman. But I bought into the logic and hype. No longer. If it's a guy I didn't want, odds are it'll be a fail. Not that I'm a great judge of who will be successful. But I think as much as I've (and all of us for that matter) followed our horible years of ineptness...I think we know a lot about what not to do. We have zero chance against GB. Even if McClellin KO's Rodgers again...their back-up will destroy our putrid D. And Cutler and crew will help them out with drops, penalties, taking themselves out of downs and turnovers. Until otherwise, I will always assume GB will will beat us from here on out. I will continue to bleed navy & burst orange...I plan on checking into "masochists anonymous" soon. I wear the colors to simply honor the past. I will not wear any jersey of any current player until they deem themselves worthy. (I only own Marshall and Cutler...what the hell was I thinking...?)

Toub for HC?

Giving up on a tough FB or Rb becasue of the experience w/ Marion Barber isn't the right way to view it. He was simply the wrong battering ram. And in all honesty, off all my points, this is one we could live without and still be successful. I just don't like what I see from Carey...

1. Fire the entire coaching staff. Replace with veteran coaches with some proven winning capabilities. Coordinators with SB winning experience. With passion. Make the head coach be a strong leader. No more prefessors. No more mild mannered DC's like Jauron or Smith. Arians would have been nice... Someone like that. So close...we are like Indiana Jones' retarted brother (no offense to the mentally challenged). We keep choosing the wrong chalice (unwisely). 2. Put Emery on the hot seat. He's drafted well enough besides the first year bungle of McCellin. But, he's shown a huge downside in chosing coaches. Done't get tricky. F this next hire up, and he gone. 3. Bring back the Honey Bears. Someone tell Virgie it's OK. Don't make them scantily clad. Just fit and engergetic. Is that so wrong? Can't we split the difference? The internet should suffice for viewing anything fans want scantily clad... 4. Draft a franchise QB in the next draft. Either round 1 or 2 or 3. Just a legit guy you can build around. Yeah, we need safety help. But acquire via FA or draft in any of the early rounds you are not drafting a QB. A guy on a good offense, one a college team that has won and won as a team. Not a one man show. Like Cutty in Vandy. Russell Wilson would have been lovely. Difficult to assess, but isn't that what these guys are paid to check out for us fans? 5. Tell the world the Jay and Marshall are available for trade as a tandem. Tell their agents to start looking. Because they are both sitting from here on out. Cutler and Marshall can both be back-ups, and only out of desperation. Yep, it'll be expensive, but at least our future QB draftee will be under the rookie cap while we pay through the nose for Jay for the next 2 years following this season. Marshall will be a cancer I fear with Jay on the hot seat, unless he doesn't care about Jay. Then you keep Marshall and hope he can perform. Still attempt to trade Jay. 6. Release Houston. The guy is a bonafide idiot and sucks. Let Briggs and Peanut walk. Love Peanut to death, but it's time to move one. Briggs can pound sand. We need to get young, tall and big. 7. Draft a freaking battering ram at RB or FB. We need one guy who can get 1 yard no matter what. 8. Draft more in the secondary and linebackers. Pick up what you can in FA. But most importantly, see item 1 where you get a DC that knows what the F he's doing. There. Fixed. If not, prep for the next 2 years of mediocrity. Under this coaching staff and Jay, we'll be around 8-8. And if that's the case, please fans...stop attending games. Stop buying product. Stop lining the coffers of the McCaskeys. Spend your money on your kids. Your wives. Your relatives. Your friends. Charity. But not to these buffoons. I'll still watch this as I appear to have masochistic tendencies...but my glass is no longer 1/2 full. It's completely dry. I need a new drink. Do we need to wait another 30 years before we get it right again? Do we all have that kind of time? Heck, it could be longer! Damn if this doesn't feel like deja vu all over again. I needed to vent.

Seriously, how is Santurdio not that guy by now? The WR weapons are there. The RB weapon is there. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A BATTERING RAM!!!! That makes a huge difference. No kickass fullback or power RB. That's been hurting us for a long time... But in all honestly, it's still all about the playcalling and QB play. But not having that POWER game hurts too...

The numbers don't tell the full story. Unlike any of the QB's mentioned (with maybe Brees as I can't attest to seeing even 1 games of the Saints this season yet), Cutler has the uncanny ability to make his mistakes at the worst possible moments in a game. Whereas Manning and Brady over come theirs on a more regular basis. The term Elite is simply just arbitrary. There really is no true empirical evidence for such. I believe it's gut check. I believe it's a guy that can take the team on his shoulders and win the game when the odds are stacked against him. Virtually ever single HoF'er is Elite. At the moment, based on that...who would be elite? Part of this is based in what they've done in the past (ie. won a SB) or what they look capable now. (numbers aren't ranks within the categories...just to give it the number of guys in that category) Elite: 1 Manning 2 Rodgers 3 Brady 4 Brees (struggling now, but he's been consistent and has won the big game) 5 Luck (he's still unproven...but his trajectory is right in line with other Elites. 6 Wilson (good numbers, good trajectory and a SB win) That's about 19% of the league and that sounds right. Almost Elite: 35% of league 1 Stafford (great numbers, but lacks the big wins) 2 Roethlisberger (struggling for the last few...but won 2 SB's) 3 Eli Manning (struggling for the last few...but won 2 SB's) 4 Kaepernick (led his team to the SB...but struggles now) 5 Newton (could be...might not be) 6 Foles (looks good, not amazing) 7 Cutler (good numbers, big mistakes, virtually no big wins) 8 Romo (see Cutler) 9 Rivers (lots of promise, showing it now, but nothing concrete) 10 Flacco (won the big one, but numbers aren't amazing) 11 Ryan (good numbers, but can't get over the hump) Average: 19% 1 Palmer (had some great years, doing OK now, but too many questions) 2 Alex Smith (does well with what he has) 3 Orton 4 Dalton (just good) 5 RG3 (too injury prone to be that good) 6 Tennehill (has shown some signs of decency) Below Average: 28% 1 Anyone playing for the Raiders 2 anyone playing for the Vikings 3 Geno Smith 4 Fitzpatrick 5 Anyone playing for Tenn 6 Anyone playing for Jax 7 Anyone playing for CLE 8 Anyone playing for St Louis 9 Anyone playing with the Bucs Odd are many of the "almosts" could be considered average. We really only have 6 true Elite QB's in the NFL.

I bet he ran out of the locker room during the yelling faster than he ran down RB's...

The guy is a bonafide badass.

At the moment, that logic seems like it would have been the better call. But given that I'm starting to think Trestman is part of the problem...maybe it wouldn't really matter.

Agreed. I'm just saddened that he appears to be proving the skeptics right.

At this point, there is no need to apologize for your doubt. I'd be surprised if everyone didn't harbor at least some doubt now. Some more than others. I know I certainly do. I had hope, but I'm starting to see the error of my ways. There still is some hope. We can still lose these games and have hope as long as improvement is there. But if we lose the way we've been losing...that's another thing. You'll never convince me Smith/McCown would been our saviors. But I am slowly being convinced Trestman/Cutler aren't either...

Agreed. As much I now feel Jay is a fail, they will let him fail through seasons end unless he gets hurt

Yes! So many of at the game said were staying Till the bitter end! We paid too much!

Right there with you guys....

Very disappointing. Even if you had a Cutler jersey, it's only one letter to change it to our legenday former kicker, Butler!