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Does he have experience: Check Can he compete with Orton: Check Talent: Check Young enough to still have potential: Check I'm all in favor of bringing him in.

I'd be completely in favor of these five: Hester--He needs to see more of a reduced role on offense. As we saw this year, when he's on the field for every offensive snap, his returns suffer. Davis--Needs to go back to being a special teams player & back-up. Bennett--Can he play? While I don't want to throw the pick away, I also don't want to see the job handed to him because he's a 3rd round pick. Holt--IMO, he stays with the Rams. But if he were here, yes he should start. Robiskie or Barden--I'm going to assume that any rookie we draft will get the "Bennett" treatment. So this draft pick would be more for the future then this season. Especially IF we had an aging Holt on our roster. To me, this is what an NFL group of WR's is supposed to look like.

Aren't you over-simplifying things? By saying we need guys like Moss & Fitz, you're saying we need one of the best WR's in the NFL. That's one helluva a lot easier said then done. And any rookie we bring in is likely to suck his first year. I'm assuming we'll draft a WR fairly early. We'll still need to add at least one more. Nobody things we'll make a run at Housh, Boldin, or any other top-tier WR. That pretty much leaves Washington from Pittsburgh, who I don't know anything about, or a guy like Brandon Lloyd. I'm assuming we won't draft two WR to bring in with the mix of Hester, Bennett, Davis, and soon to be drafted rookie. I'm just how the hell are we going to fix this if we're not willing to break the bank?

After the past two seasons Pace has had, he might be done period. If a guy hasn't really played in two years, and he's getting up there in age, it's tough to get excited about him. As for Holt, I've heard the speculation he might be cut, but that's far from a done deal. Have you heard rumors other then, "The Rams could save money by dumping Holt"?

The problem with what you're saying is: 1. Huff has 1 interception in the past 48 games he's played. This is with teams throwing away from the greatest cornerback who will ever live. 2. He was bad on a really bad defense. That's really bad. 3. He's not a free agent. He may not get cut. Unless there's a roster bonus due, why wouldn't Oakland wait until September 1st to cut him? In other words, this is not a viable option at this point.

Does anyone know what kind of defense St. Louis runs? (other then a porous one that sucks badly). What was Atogwe doing the game when Favre passed for 7 touchdowns? Or the first 4 games of the season when every team scorched the Rams for over 30 points? Seemingly every safety not named Mike Brown sucks in our system. Is Atogwe really all that, or does he have inflated stats in a really, really, really bad system? In other words, if we gave him a huge money deal, how dissappointed would we be with him? I honestly don't know, I'm just wondering.

Huh??? That's like saying the Bear's draft only draft quarterbacks. If you draft specifically for a position time and time again, and that position sucks, it's time to consider rethinking your strategy. Hell, at this point the quarterback position is more solidified then the safety position.

One thing Angelo has been great about since 2006, is providing depth at damn near every position. Sure, it's early in the off-season, but damn the free agent class looks awful. We have WAY more needs then we do draft picks. Positions that suck: Wide Reciever: #1 WR--Devin Hester: He'd be a great # 3, or even a good #2. Not a #1. #2 WR--Rashied Davis: He's a great #5 WR. #3 WR--Earl Bennett: He looked solid on special teams . . . There's no indication that we'll be players for one of the major WR's out there. I sure as hell don't have faith in Riddeau or whoever the hell else we have. We need to add AT LEAST two more quality WR's to this team. Shouldn't we resign Lloyd??? Safety: Free Safety--Danieal Manning. He's tried and failed at this position for 3 straight seasons. Ugh. SS--Kevin Payne: Very good at projectiling himself at the other team. He misses far too often. Back-up: Kevin Payne--He wouldn't even had made the team if he hadn't been a 4th round pick. He didn't even impress on special teams. McGowan's a free agent, but has been anything but durable. What's worse is that their's not much available in free agency, other then the guy from the Rams, and the rookie class again appears to be anemic. While I'm not really in favor of moving Peanut to safety, for lack of a better option . . . Offensive Tackle: Let's assume that Tait is indeed retiring. What's strange is apparantly we've shown little interest in resigning St. Clair thus far. Can we really count on Chris Williams??? Yikes this position looks awful. Considering we have needs at DE, QB, and guard, I don't really see how we'll be able to get all this done.

On Tait: 1. It's not surprising he was struggling with injuries even though he was never listed on the injury report. That explains why his play declined this year. 2. Didn't Ruben Brown contemplate retirement after the 2005 season? I feel like it was June before he announced he'd be back. Despite what the article says, I wouldn't be surprised it Tait did something similar. He just turned 34 in January, which isn't THAT old by O-line standards. I don't care how much money you have, 5 million, or however much it is, is one helluva a lot of money to walk away from. Doesn't he have like 7 kids? 3. If we knew this was a possibility, why haven't we made an offer to St. Clair? Either way, our depth at tackle scares the hell out of me.

It sounds bogus. Holt is still under contract with the Rams. What motivation do they have to dump or trade one of their most popular players who is still very productive? They only reason they'd dump him is because they have a huge roster bonus due. If they do owe him a huge roster bonus and we trade for him, then it becomes our roster bonus. Plus whatever we gave up. If they cut him, we'd be smart to pursue him. But there's no way in hell we trade for him. Which means at this point there is nothing to this story.

You're ignoring the impact of last year's cuts. We cut Moose, and gained nothing, only to lose Berrian, and announce that Mark Bradley was our #1 WR. We cut Fred Miller, and did actually gain some cap room, only so we could draft Chris Williams. We cut two significant starters long before we had a replacement for them. I'm guessing we thought players like Booker & Lloyd would be available. But what about the LT position? Last year at this time we had to be thinking, "St. Clair will be our starting LT." Why else would we have committed to move Tait to RT so early. I was shocked as hell we cut Moose. Mainly because our WR's sucked and nobody else was available. Fred Miller wasn't much of a surprise, but I thought we had more of a plan then, "Hope we draft Chris Williams, if not we'll start St. Clair."

Sign Byron Leftwich- 3 years, $13 million. What exactly has Leftwich done to earn a much fatter paycheck then Orton, who is due to make somewhere over 2 million this season? We did pay for Griese, but that man had some credentials. Very, very good credentials. Especially with Denver. Leftwich does not. I'd love to see Leftwich here, but you can't pay your bad/mediocre back-up more then your bad/mediocre starter.

Based on the draft, to move up two spots would probably cost a 2nd rounder . . . at the minimum a 3rd. Hell, possibly a first. Is it really worth it for Sanchez??? This sick part of this is by making the deal, you pretty much have to let him start . . . even if he's an ass-hat. Technically you don't have to, but teams always do it. Remember when we traded Thomas Jones? Thanks for Cedric JA. Remember in the 2006 draft when their were cries to trade up for Vernon Davis at #6? The next year we draft Olsen at #31. Would any of you give up Olsen for Davis right now? Hell now. If you would, you're an idiot. If Sanchez is there at #18 we'd have to think about it. But to hell with trading up.

Last year the Bears announced they were cutting ties with Darwin Walker, Fred Miller, and Mushin Muhammed on the same day. I'm pretty sure it was around then they announced they'd extended Alex Brown and were parting with Ruben Brown. I mainly remember this because I was home celebrating Barack Obama day, which allowed me to listen to the SCORE for 12 hours straight. With Barack Obama day coming up this Monday, I was wondering if we'll see a similar "big day" of announcements coming soon, and if so, who's on the chopping block? It seems that Vasher is safe. But what about Tait? Booker? Wale??? Will we officially cut ties with Lloyd, Mike Brown, Rex . . . it'll be interesting.

I wondered about the "top corner" comment too. If Brad meant top corner on our team, I guess I would have to agree. If he meant top corner in the league, I would say not even close. I missed this a year ago or whenever it was you posted it, so let me explain: By Tillman being a top corner, I simply mean one of the better ones in the league. Is there any team in the league he wouldn't start for? (maybe Philly who's loaded at cb) In terms of salaries, with his 43 million $$$ he's one of the higher paid corners in the league, and you never hear Bear fans bitching that he's overpaid. That's money well spent. Not to mention, he's arguably the best corner in the league when it comes to punching the ball out. He's not a pro-bowler, and he may not ever make it. But there's plenty of really good players in this league who've never made it. But he is one of the better corner-backs in the league, not the top corner, but a top corner. That being said, I've changed my mind and I'm convinced we should move him to safety. I've decided it's one helluva a lot easier for the Bears to find a cornerback then it is a safety. If he can solidify the position, we need to do it.

That is sad, but you do bring up to huge upsides for this team. Last year at this time, how would you have felt if you'd known we'd draft a player in the 2nd round who appears to be destined for the pro-bowl? Or that Olsen would continue to improve and get better? I doubt Olsen will be a pro-bowl, but "Damn-good player" will soon be attached to his name. Maybe we're not that far off . . .

Profootballtalk.com listed what they have projected for team's cap numbers: http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/11/...ers/#more-11223 They have the Bears listed at 104 million, meaning we're 20 million under the 124 million cap. Which sounds great, until you realize that 15 other teams have as much or more money to spend then the Bears. Twenty-five teams have at least 10 million to spend. Our capmeister LT projected we'd have 27 million to spend, and I believe that completely. But I'm guessing that many other teams are like the Bears with more money to spend. I mainly point this out because it appears to be a seller's market. ESPN has a nice list of available free agents at all positions & their rankings: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/fa It appears to me there's more money to go around then there are players to earn that coin. I just think that players like Gross & Peppers will get deals that exceed 100 million. The Bears aren't quite desperate enough that we need to spend "crazy money" on any position. I guess I'm predicting we won't do much in free agency.

Good points. Just to bring up something slightly off the subject: If given a choice between the two, do we bring back Lloyd or Booker? Reguardless of their contract status, which Lloyd's a FA & Boloker has 1 year left but could be dumped easily, who would you rather have? The thought is we don't want Lloyd back, but he was overall our #2 WR and had good chemistry with Orton. Booker is the cagey veteran who had a horrible year . . . but I still think he could rebound. Either way, going into next season we're guaranteed to have Hester, Bennett & Rashied (If for nothing else other then his special teams.) We'll add at least one through the draft or free agency . . . between the two do you keep Booker or Lloyd?

Great points. I wonder how a guy like Steve Breaston would do for the Bears? My guess is awful.

The rumor is they'll cut him since he's due a huge roster bonus. There's no way we'd trade for him, since we'd be taking on his big contract. If he gets dumped, I'd happily add him to our list of turd quarterbacks we could bring in to back-up Orton.

The college all-star games have come and gone, and NFL prospects and teams are looking toward the upcoming combine. Individual workouts and combine showings certainly will affect the stock of many top prospects over the next few weeks, but enough questions have been answered for Scouts Inc. to present its first two-round mock draft of 2009. Here's how we see things shaking down at this point: Note: * denotes junior; ** denotes draft-eligible third-year sophomore 1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16): Matthew Stafford*, QB, Georgia Yes, his inconsistency can be frustrating, his footwork needs polishing and he must learn to take some heat off his fastball when throwing underneath. But after studying the game tape of the entire 2009 quarterback class, it's clear to us that Stafford is the top dog. His combination of accuracy, arm strength, surprising mobility and experience in a pro-style offense (in the SEC) is second to none. Here's the catch-22 for the Lions, though: Although they need a franchise quarterback and there isn't enough depth in this year's class to feel good about the chances of finding one 19 picks later, Stafford does not grade out as highly as Matt Ryan did a year ago, and eight of the past 11 underclassman quarterbacks drafted in the first round have either failed to meet expectations or been outright busts. This is the type of franchise-defining decision that could make or break the career of new general manager Martin Mayhew. 2. St. Louis Rams (2-14): Jason Smith, OT, Baylor The Rams desperately need to upgrade their offensive front, and Jason Smith, Andre Smith and Eugene Monroe will be in the discussion. Don't be surprised if the senior from Baylor wins out on potential. He is a converted tight end and has the best feet of the group. 3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14): Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest Tyler Thigpen might not be the long-term answer at quarterback for the Chiefs, but it's hard to imagine new GM Scott Pioli veering from the "Patriot way" he learned during his time in New England. Drafting a defensive lineman such as DE Everette Brown or DT B.J. Raji is a possibility, and beefing up the offensive line isn't out of the question, either. But the Chiefs spent a pair of first-round picks on those spots last year, and Pioli hit a home run with the first-round pick of linebacker Jerod Mayo in New England last season. Plus, Curry has the versatility Pioli looks for, and he fits an area of need. 4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College Michael Crabtree appears to be the obvious selection for a Seahawks team in desperate need of a playmaker at wide receiver, but Raji's stock is soaring after his dominant showing at the Senior Bowl, and a top priority for the Seahawks this offseason is to find a difference-maker at defensive tackle. 5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): Everette Brown*, DE, Florida State Brown's pass-rushing skills would be a welcome addition to a Cleveland defense that notched only 17 sacks in 2008. 6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1): Andre Smith*, OT, Alabama The Bengals need to solidify their offensive line. RT Stacy Andrews took a step backward before his knee injury, and Smith is a good fit to step in immediately as a starter on the right side. 7. Oakland Raiders (5-11): Michael Crabtree**, WR, Texas Tech Crabtree has Larry Fitzgerald-type potential. Although his 40-yard dash time might not excite owner Al Davis, even Davis is capable of recognizing the opportunity to select the best athlete in the draft at No. 7. 8. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11): Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia WR/RS Jeremy Maclin's speed and game-breaking skills would be enticing here. However, the Jags need to find an upgrade over Khalif Barnes at left tackle, and Monroe has the feet and pass-blocking skills to eventually provide that. 9. Green Bay Packers (6-10): Malcolm Jenkins, DB, Ohio State The Packers' secondary is aging. Jenkins isn't an ideal fit from a man-to-man cover corner perspective, but his versatility and playmaking skills make him the most complete defensive back in the 2009 class. 10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9): Jeremy Maclin**, WR/RS, Missouri QB Mark Sanchez will be in the discussion, but can the 49ers afford to spend another high first-round pick on a quarterback who has only 16 collegiate starts under his belt? That's just not good business. Assuming they go in a different direction, Maclin would be high on the list because he's one of only a few individuals in this year's draft capable of providing the home-run-hitting ability the Niners lack on the perimeter. 11. Buffalo Bills (7-9): Aaron Maybin**, DE/OLB, Penn State TE Brandon Pettigrew is an obvious possibility, but the Bills are looking to improve the edges of their defensive front, and Maybin's upside as a pass-rusher is huge. In the Bills' 4-3 defense, Maybin would fit best at SAM linebacker but also could serve as a situational edge rusher, help that DEs Chris Kelsay and Aaron Schobel need. 12. Denver Broncos (8-8): Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC The Broncos need to beef up their run defense after finishing 30th in the NFL in 2007 and 27th in 2008. Maualuga plays out of control at times, but there isn't a linebacker in the 2009 class with a better size-speed combo, and he loves setting the tone physically. 13. Washington Redskins (8-8): Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas The Redskins could use this pick on an offensive lineman if the right one falls this far, but in this scenario Orakpo makes the most sense because he can provide some youth at defensive end or outside linebacker. Most importantly, he has the burst and athleticism to make an immediate impact rushing the passer, which is critical in the NFC East. 14. New Orleans Saints (8-8): Vontae Davis*, CB, Illinois The Saints should continue to focus on defense this year. Davis is a bit of a risk, considering he comes with a reputation for inconsistency and questionable work habits. However, there isn't a cornerback in this year's class with better pure man-to-man cover skills. That's a gamble New Orleans might be willing to make at No. 14, especially after watching its defense surrender 53 plays of 20-plus yards last season. 15. Houston Texans (8-8): Brian Cushing, OLB, USC Cushing is a gifted athlete with a reckless approach. He flies around looking to make the big hit, and he also provides a lot of versatility in the passing game. He eventually could develop into an upgrade over Zac Diles at SAM linebacker, and initially he could help boost a pass rush that ranked 27th in the league last season with 25 sacks. 16. San Diego Chargers (8-8): Chris Wells*, RB, Ohio State Let's preface this by saying we would take Knowshon Moreno (Georgia) over Wells if presented with the choice. However, we understand that's a minority opinion. Plus, in San Diego's situation, Wells appears to be a better complement to pint-size scatback Darren Sproles. Remember, though, that the team has some tough de 17. New York Jets (9-7): Mark Sanchez*, QB, USC There's a lot of drama yet to play out in the Jets' organization between now and the draft. But with or without QB Brett Favre, it's obvious the Jets are not particularly high on backup Kellen Clemens as the future of the franchise. So if Sanchez falls all the way to No. 17, they would have to think long and hard before passing on the talented but inexperienced signal-caller. 18. Chicago Bears (9-7): Percy Harvin*, WR, Florida It will be interesting to see whether the Bears pull the trigger on Sanchez if he slips one more spot. In this scenario, though, they face a tough decision. They obviously need playmakers on offense, and nobody can break a game open more quickly than Harvin. Despite injuries and increased time spent at running back in 2008, Harvin is clearly a much more experienced pass-catcher than current starter Devin Hester was coming out of college. But Harvin's skills are similar to those of Hester otherwise, and with no other receiver worthy of the 18th overall pick, this would be a tough call. 19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7): Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU The Bucs need to square away their quarterback situation, but reaching for Kansas State's Josh Freeman here doesn't seem like the right answer. Bucs LDE Kevin Carter is running out of time, so Jackson could provide some much-needed depth as a rookie. Jackson is not an elite edge rusher, but he can provide good size and strength versus the run and could move inside to rush the quarterback on obvious passing downs. 20. Detroit Lions (from 9-7 DAL) (0-16): D.J. Moore*, CB, Vanderbilt Moore lacks ideal size, but he's a flat-out playmaker with great athleticism and instincts. He's also a high-character player with intelligence and a strong work ethic, which would be helpful to new coach Jim Schwartz during what could be a long rebuilding process. 21. Philadelphia Eagles (9-6-1): Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State Offensive tackle is the biggest priority for the Eagles, but there's much more depth at that position than there is at tight end this year. Pettigrew is a complete prospect with excellent blocking skills, good athleticism and soft hands. He's the only tight end in the 2009 class worthy of a first-round pick, so it would be tough for Philly to pass on him if he falls this far. 22. Minnesota Vikings (10-6): Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi The Vikings are in the market for an upgrade at right tackle, and Oher is a good candidate this late in the first round. He needs some polishing but clearly possesses the size and feet to develop into a solid starter in the NFL. 23. New England Patriots (11-5): Clay Matthews, OLB, USC Matthews' draft stock continues to soar. He's an instinctive playmaker who always seems to be in on the action. Most importantly for the Patriots, he is versatile enough to play multiple roles on defense, and he is a special-teams demon, as well. 24. Atlanta Falcons (11-5): Larry English, DE/OLB, Northern Illinois The team is preparing for some turnover at linebacker, and it also needs to ramp up its pass rush. English, an undersized college end who projects as a SAM or rush linebacker in the NFL, could help on both fronts. The Falcons will need to look for better values in later rounds at their other positions of need, such as nose tackle and safety. 25. Miami Dolphins (11-5): James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State Inside linebacker is one of a few spots -- including wide receiver and offensive line -- that Miami is likely to target early in the draft. Laurinaitis has some physical limitations that will keep him out of the top half of the first round, but he fits well with the Dolphins because he's a high-motor player with good instincts, quickness and toughness. 26. Baltimore Ravens (11-5): Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest The Ravens' lack of depth at cornerback became evident in their playoff loss to Pittsburgh. Smith lacks ideal top-end speed and size, but he's an instinctive cover corner with elite playmaking skills. He is ready to contribute as a sub package defender right now. 27. Indianapolis Colts (12-4): Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi Jerry's disruptive tendencies are a perfect match for the Colts' version of the Tampa 2 defense. 28. Philadelphia Eagles (from 12-4 CAR) (9-6-1): Knowshon Moreno**, RB, Georgia The Eagles would prefer an offensive tackle of value here, but adding the best all-around running back prospect in the 2009 class wouldn't be such a bad option, especially this late in the first round. Moreno could help take some of the burden off Brian Westbrook's shoulders early in his career before eventually maturing into the starting role. 29. New York Giants (13-3): Hakeem Nicks*, WR, North Carolina Nicks is one of the few receivers in this year's class who appears ready to contribute immediately in the NFL. QB Eli Manning would certainly welcome such a physical receiver, as the Giants presumably look to move forward without troubled Plaxico Burress. 30. Tennessee Titans (13-3): Darrius Heyward-Bey*, WR, Maryland Heyward-Bey is a bit overrated in our eyes, but his ability to stretch the field vertically will be enticing to a team like Tennessee, which is in need of exactly that kind of weapon. 31. Arizona Cardinals (9-7): LeSean McCoy**, RB, Pittsburgh Adding McCoy is obviously a luxury pick here. He is versatile playmaker who would serve as a nice complement to the Cardinals' bruising backfield tandem of Edgerrin James and Tim Hightower. 32. Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4): Alex Mack, C, California The Steelers would like to boost their offensive front, and Mack is this year's top interior prospect. Mock Second Round Pick Player Position School 33. Detroit Clint Sintim OLB Virginia 34. Kansas City Josh Freeman* QB Kansas State 35. St. Louis Rashad Johnson S Alabama 36. Cleveland Sean Smith* CB Utah 37. Seattle Kenny Britt* WR Rutgers 38. Cincinnati Paul Kruger* DE Utah 39. Jacksonville Ron Brace DT Boston College 40. Oakland Eben Britton* OT Arizona 41. Green Bay Robert Ayers DE Tennessee 42. Buffalo Cornelius Ingram TE Florida 43. San Francisco Louis Delmas S Western Michigan 44. Miami (from WAS) Patrick Chung S Oregon 45. New York Giants (from NOR) Fili Moala DT USC 46. Houston William Moore S Missouri 47. New England (from SDG) Darius Butler CB Connecticut 48. Denver Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech 49. Chicago Max Unger C/G Oregon 50. Tampa Bay Evander Hood DE Missouri 51. Dallas Phil Loadholt* OT Oklahoma 52. New York Jets Asher Allen* CB Georgia 53. Philadelphia Carey Harris CB USC 54. Minnesota Jairus Byrd* CB Oregon 55. Atlanta Shawn Nelson TE Southern Miss 56. Miami Jamon Meredith OT South Carolina 57. Baltimore Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati 58. New England William Beatty OT Connecticut 59. Carolina Ricky Jean-Francois* DT LSU 60. New York Giants Shonn Greene* RB Iowa 61. Indianapolis Brandon Tate WR North Carolina 62. Tennessee Duke Robinson G Oklahoma 63. Arizona David Veikune OLB Hawaii 64. Pittsburgh Victor Harris CB Virginia Tech

Maybe, but what's the explanation for every damn WR we bring in dropping easy passes?

So I'm guessing you'd take Simms over the combination of Hanie & that guy we signed from Northwestern as our back-up? What about Simms versus a rookie? It seems unlikely that we'll draft one in the first round, and even if we took Sanchez or Freeman, I sure as hell don't want to see other one of them seeing the field their rookie seasons. That makes finding a solid back-up imprerative, or we risk another Quinn/Krenzel/Hutchinson/George debacle. It seems to me we're fairly limited, especially now that Carr is off the list. AND we're not likely to pay our #2, more then we're paying Orton. Looking at Losman, Leftwich, or Simms, or Ramsey, it may comes down to whoever is the cheapest. Personally I'd be happy with any of these guys. I'm not sure why the media thinks we're high on Simms, but if we think he best fits our system, why the hell not?

I'd be utterly SHOCKED if Nathan Vasher is still with the Bears next year. He deserves to be cut and holding onto someone because of their contract is stupid. You win some, you lose some, and we lost this one. Did you even read the article? Vasher was damn good his first 3 seasons with the Bears. That's why we rewarded him. If he's absolutely putrid, cut him September 1st. But it'd be ignorant & irresponsible to cut him now. And please stop with this crap about moving Tillman to FS. You want to replace him with a rookie and play him at FS? You're certainly downgrading at one position Don't we really need to find not one but two safeties? How do you suggest we do that? You're ignoring my point that for whatever reasons, safeties have a difficult time in this system. Since Lovie's been here we've started Mike Brown, D Manning, Brandon McGowan, Craig Steltz, Chris Harris, Cameron Worrell, Kevin Payne . . . Of that group, only Manning, Steltz, & Payne is likely to return. Manning sucks at fs, all Payne can do is dive face-first at someone & hope he doesn't miss, and Steltz showed nothing. Meanwhile at corner JA's drafted Vasher, Peanut, Graham, McBride, and Bauman. That's a nice group IMO. Graham was solid this year. I'm confident we can replace Tillman at corner, but right now we're screwed at safety. I think Tillman would make a terrible FS anyway. Why? Corner is supposed to be more difficult. I'd be happy as hell if he can help fix our safety position.

Agreed with the trade down. Thank christ we don't have the #1. I'm happy as hell not to have to pay 60+ million for an unproven rookie who might suck. Especially with this mediocre group.