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I was reading where KC doesnt think Glenn Dorsey fits in his new 3-4 sceme at NT. They traded there #2 for Cassel, so would you make the trade for Dorcey with our #1? I know that isnt an area of need, but Dorcey is rated to be a all-pro type and with the questions around Harris would they consider it? With no second would the Chiefs do that? Or maybe even offer them a 2? and would that be done.
I would only trade a 1st for him if KC would throw in a 3rd. Otherwise, I would trade a 2nd for him. He's a very talented Warren Sapp like athlete. It's not an area of need but could be. Harris is iffy IMO.
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Yeah, Reggie Bush was the same type of player in college, and it's flying in the NFL, so...
You beat me to it.
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With the recent signing of Kevin Shaffer and the comp picks finalized walterfootball.com has updated the mock draft. They have us selecting Larry English in the 1st, Hakeem Nicks in the 2nd and Phil Loadholt and Derek Pegues in the 3rd and the James Davis, RB in the 4th. What is everyones thoughts on this.
I don't think Nicks and Loadholt will be there in the 2nd and 3rd respectively. I would love that draft though.
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Meanwhile, we will have:
-another WR we can't develop,
-another DE so deep on the depth chart he won't get an opportunity, an injury will be thought up and he will be red shirted, er, I mean IR'd.
-another DB who will play special teams,
-another LB who will receive tons of advice from Jamar Williams on how to keep the bench warm
-and another RB who will wonder why AP is still getting carries before him.
Like Hester and Berrian. (throw in Olsen too)
Like Anderson his rookie year.
Like Tillman, Vasher and McBride
Touche'
Like Forte. AP will be lucky to have a locker this year. I know you meant Wolfe, just being an ass. Sorry.
That is sad...and scarily true.Thought it, but didn't want to say it. My gosh, do we have do do this again JA? Draft to BUILD the team, going after guys that can help now and also will keep us out of having to draft for need every frickin' year.Man you guys are getting cynical. LOL! I do think with the new OT being signed, it lessens the demand of OT in round 1&2. If we really look at it with fresh eyes, we have the opportunity to be vastly improved on OL. Williams has to be an upgrade over St. Clair, nuf said. Omiyale and Schaffer look to be an upgrade over Tait, who obviously had nothing in the tank. Overall, I love the move.
Here's where I am with you guys. I fear as you do that Angelo thinks it's complete. I think we all want one more 1st day OL. I think what JA has done is given himself the opportunity to draft the best OT or OG he can get his hands on, while having the greater ability for BPA. I would prefer OL to be a strength and am optomistic Jerry will give us one more. If he does not, I will vent.
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Very eloquent! But what's your answer?
Like talking to your wife sometimes, isn't it?
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I could sell you ocean front property in Arizona. Angelo however, I couldn't sell a glass of fresh, cool ozarka water in the middle of a desert.
lol!
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Just imagine, a year from now having
Williams - Duke - Beekman - Johnson - Britton, w/ Omiyale as a swing OL who backs up both OG and OT.
I'm sold! I love the road graders.
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No, they get to play smart and say, "see we signed a guy that can do it all."To me, that only made the look worse when they had to move him to OT after missing out on St. Clair.
No and yes. No - the money they offered St Clair was NOT to even start this year. Yes - Upgrades were probably part of the plan.IMHO, the money being offered to St. Clair proves he wasn't viewed as a long term answer, and I would argue they were likely still planning on drafting an OT.
Don't we nail them for this all of the time??IMHO, all that did was make them look foolish.If they signed him and from day one talked about him at OT, I think it would have made more sense. He was considered an OT by both Atlanta and Carolian, and his only start came at OT. Heck, it is even the position he said he feels more comfortable at. If we said we signed him to be our RT, I don't think anyone would have been surprised.That's because he IS an OT. That's what they signed him for. The bull ended when St. Clair signed elsewhere.
Because our guys are smart. Do you sense the sarcasm? They actually probably wanted St Clair to play OG while telling him he would the RT. Again, they are so smart, they saw that St. Clair would sign for the discount to be named the replacement for Tait. Look at money and that will tell the whole story.But from the moment we signed him, we declared him an OG, and said he would compete for a starting job inside. If that was never the plan, why the act? -
Good for the young guys, but I find it utterly ridiculous that Peyton Manning needs a supplement for his check. Also the big WTF is: How did Urlacher get a performance bonus last year??
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The point I would make is, by all reports, we added Omiyale to be our starting OG, not RT. After signing him, we still wanted St. Clair, who we expected to play RT. Even when we entered our camp, we had Omiyale at LG, and only moved him to RT because we lost out on St. Clair.
I think we might use Omiyale at RT, but that is a backup plan, not the 1st option. Thus, I think the "plan" is still to use Omiyale at LG, and find a new RT.
I don't think that was ever going to be the case. They payed Omiyale starter money, while they offered St. Clair backup money to start at OT??? I think the whole "we want St Clair back" talk was a ruse to give him some respect, while hoping he would sign for chump change to be a backup. Now, we'll see what they do in the draft and how that affects Omiyale.
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Bears trade picks #49 and #115 to Eagles for pick #28.
1. Eben Britton, RT, Arizona
1. Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
3. Victor Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
3. Phillip Hunt, DE, Houston
5. Louis Vazquez, OG, Texas Tech
6. Tony Fiammetta, FB, Syracuse
7. Mike Reilly, QB, Central Washington
Thoughts?
(somebody change date to 3-22)
Hell yes. If we could pull that off...
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My friends and I have always debated the wonderlic. I was wondering if anyone knows how to get a copy of this for the average Joe to take??? I would love it.
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Maybe we aren't thinking of the same thing. The thing I watched was the State Farm College Football All Star Challenge, which aired on ESPN. They had a QB competition, a WR/RB competition, and a K competition (that I remember). The RB/WRs I remember were Nicks, Norwood, Barden, Iglesias, and Donald Brown.
I remember watching that. I forget the kids name, but he had the softest hands I'd ever seen. The problem with that kid is that he is slow and not really big. But man those hands are worth a tryout for a team. He'll have to be one of those crafty guys who can find the soft spots in a D. He'll also need a QB that has the "read" skills to anticipate wher he'll be.
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Last season Bennett also told Bear Report he was having trouble learning the plays. This isn't anything new for rookie WRs around the league. Blaming the coaches is popular in Chicago lately, but it's pretty naive to think that Drake can make his receivers "internalize" their assignments so they can play at NFL speed. He can show them what to do (lead them to water), but he can't make them execute (can't make them drink).
Once the season begins, coaches barely have time to analyze the last game and grade the players, form their game plan for the next week, and show the starters what they're supposed to do for that contest. The backups are pretty much on their own, as any coach will attest.
I understand it takes longer to develop a rookie WR, but they don't need to know the whole playbook to contribute. Give them a few plays each week that lead to a few snaps every week. Our coaches, I believe Turner in particular, get locked into players. IE: Forte's over-use and Bennett's under-use.
Okay it may be popular to bash coaches in the Chi but thats not my style.I point to how long it has taken for every WR the Bears have drafted that he has come in contactwith that does not get on the field at all or are completely inactive.Here's the list:Bobby Wade and Justin Gage
Jamin Elliott
Bernard Berrian
Ariese Currie
Mark Bradley
Earl Bennett
That's seven guys who Drake and or Turner have had and most of this list spent a great deal of time inactive early in their careers.If Devin Hester wasn't the league's best KR he might have been inactive as a WR also.
Agreed! At some point you have to take the numbers for what they are. You simply can't draft that many slow learners. The coaches must be held accountable for getting the players on the field. Dummy down the playbook, put a foot in their ass and get them a few snaps a game.
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I wouldn't mind WR in the 1st if we can't get our guy or a trade down.
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I wouldn't mind WR in the 1st if we can't get our guy or a trade down.
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But, why? At best it got one ring...and after Angelo had left. And now they are in disarray.
Why wouldn't you pattern yourself after more successful franchises? Steelers, Patriots, etc... ?
Why do franchises have to pattern? I would set my own bar as a leader. I lieu of copycatting, I would prefer to stay ahead of the curve.
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Bingo!!!QUOTE (nfoligno @ Mar 18 2009, 08:38 AM)
Anyone can stay under the cap. The true geniuses are those who actually improve their team and create good/great teams while also remaining under the cap.
Over the last couple of decades, hasn't true genius started with having a good QB? Angelo wants to be a genius, but isn't smart enough to pull it off. Conundrum
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Screw it, i would trade my #1 for Cutler. Hopefully JA is being extremely aggressive on this one. ESPN reported that the Lions, Browns, and Bears are showing interest. It seems as if a trade is the only option right now for Denver.......
Best case scenario:
1. Bears aqcuire Cutler for there 1st round draft pick.
2. Bears re-sign St. Claire
3. Bears sign Holt
4. Bears draft Taits replacement in the 2nd round.
Those 4 things alone will adress many offensive question marks for years to come.
I'm not sure how JA is going to fix the rapidly aging defensive?!?
That doesn't look too bad. IMO - Cutler can be Elway or Jeff George. He's at that place in his career in which his resolve will determine how he turns out. IMOx2 - worth the gamble. Orton will never be more than middle of the pack, while Cutler has the 2nd to 3rd arm best I've ever seen.
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At this point, I don't see anyone other than St. Clair signing for OL. I think he signs with us before thew draft. After that,
I see JA spending a 1st or 2nd rounder on a TRUE right tackle. We'll have St. Clair and Omiyale to play stopgap LT if Williams goes down.
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Bowman was touted as a guy with great range and instincts, so this hopefully the answer to all the Tillman to FS posts. I think it makes sense and hope it works. This also means we will probably look at corner somewhere in the draft.
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My fantasy draft would definately involve adding a couple of high choices on OL. Here's what I'd like to see...
Trade to the bottom of the 1st round if a stud OT is not availible and pick up an extra 2nd rounder. Not realistic, but here goes:
1st - Beatty OT
2nd - Robiske / Britt WR
2nd - Freeman QB
3rd - Louis Delmas FS
3-4(comp) Louis Vasquez OG
4th - Phillip Hunt DE
5th - Corey Irvin DT
6th - Ryan Stamper OLB
7th - Tony Fiametta FB
comp
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I read a story on the first 10 WRs taken in the last 4 drafts,there is only 10 players that made an impact on there teams. Most were busts, with the court still out on some of them. With that much risk at the top end of the draft, I only see the Bears taken a receiver with the 1st pick if Crabtree or Macklin are there. Probably wont draft one till the 3rd or 4 th round.
Don't lose faith in the 30 that have not panned out yet. Half of those 30 are not to the 3rd year yet. That is usually the breakout point. Do you happen to have any stats on the 1st two rounds?
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yeah, I'm with you guys on FB. First, I thought Polite was the better FB last preseason. Second, I prefer a hammer in there. It seems we say we're a running team first, and then we keep bringing in linemen who are better pass blockers (Chris Williams versus the other OTs on the board) and keep a FB who is best as a receiver. BTW, McKie, supposedly, is adept at running with the ball as far as FBs go...eesh. Seems we're sacrificing a lot in terms of run blocking for the extra lift that this guy gives us as a runner/receiver, which is about 10 carries and 20 receptions a year...and the lift on those plays versus something a Marc Edwards type would give us cannot be all that.
Put me in that category as well. I've gone as far to say to convert an angry athletic OG or DT, trim him down to 260 and just tell him to start running over people. I know the odds are not in favor of that being successfull. but, it's better than nothing. Agreed on the OL analogy as well. If a team gets off the bus running, the OL should be stocked with maulers and pile drivers. That identity imposes it's will on the opponent in the 4th quarter.
New Mock 3-29-09
in Bearstalk
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I like Britton if Oher is gone. Also like Gibson, Bruton and Fiametta. Fiametta is a really good run blocker.