Mongo3451

This site is no longer fun. It's like the corporation I retired from. Everything changes because of a squeak.

I believe the whole point of the conversation is that Caleb needs to grow up. If anyone disagrees with that, they are wrong. The same was said about Mitch and Justin. While the skills may differ, the growth potential remains the wish. All three, at this point in their careers, had hope, upside and time on their side. You'll never win this argument with anyone overly supporting one opinion over the other. Some mindsets love to learn and converse with others, while others don't. Caleb is Uber talented and currently flawed. It's not for dispute. The degree to which this is correct can be argued ad nauseum.

This is supposedly from Jimmy Mac. I don't trust a lot these days. https://redzone.feji.io/blog/bears-legend-qb-jim-mcmahon-criticizes-caleb-williams-over-critical-weaknesses-behind-chicagos-humiliating-loss-to-ravens-mi4?fbclid=IwdGRzaANvo-FjbGNrA2-jbWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEeyTIo_l_wfW1j69e6EFBKhTUts-3D9OG-6vfPXcepEcnHPROXcxzNeQkRqVo_aem_3grBtUV07vhrJ5KZZHxjlA#mhcrolr9as5lkb8mvwc

Me too and believe it will. I don't want to see the Chernobyl event if it doesn't happen.

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Funny thing was, I understood completely...🤣

I believe Caleb is going to make it. He's been given weapons, OL and coaching that the other two didn't. It's up to him...

This is the exact conversation we all had about Mitchell and Justin at this point in their careers. We could see the flashes and hoped for the consistency. Accuracy, footwork and timing. Timing being the most important thing for any QB transitioning from college to pro. Here we are praying another one makes it.

Regarding the draft. It sucked that a LT didn't fall to us in the first. After that, I believe they switched to the strategy of next year. Drafting Loveland and Burden, uogrades Kmet and DJ while getting younger and cheaper. We've discussed difference makers before. I was higher on Warren, but can see why the choose Loveland, due to his length and speed. Burden is a bigger faster DJ. All said, if we can't rush the passer, all is moot...

I don't buy Ben Johnson today. It's nothing but damage control to keep the wolves at bay. I like that he knows that keeping things in a positive light is best for all concerned. I'm on board...

He should and probably will, but I won't hold my breath on continued success for him unless he humbles himself to embrace the position on a professional level.

This should be fun. Caleb Williams needs to grow the F up. He showed me too many plays yesterday that showed prophetic to his draft critics. For starters, his head clock is killing him. His feet get happy too soon and inaccuracy follows. I don't see him as the guy that's willing to take the extra millisecond and take a hit. If he is willing, the flight mechanism is overriding his intent. You could clearly see that, especially the sidearm throw to DJ in the end zone. He saw it and nuked the throw in a rush. Cooler QB's loft it out there. Situational awareness needs to be a huge trait of a QB. Caleb showed me several times that he doesn't get it. He cost us time by not running out of bounds, when he clearly could have.(You too DJ) He got a grounding penalty instead of throwing the deep out that was coming open on the same side of the field. As the QB, he knew the route Rome was running. If it wasn't there, throw high. There was another dump off to the left that could have been called grounding. What he missed was Loveland running free toward that area with room to make a huge play. There was also a third and nine play with a five yard pass to a receiver that was bracketed. The worst of them all was the three second stare down to Rome that the DB was waiting to pick. He didn't look for anyone else that play. It was very high school. At some point, Caleb's wild spirit has to be broken to the point that he's willing to run the offense without the things that are costing him to play poorly. Yesterday's game was a pure indicator of the value of the turnovers we were getting. I'm sure the Bengals have taken note. For the life of me, I don't understand why he always has to do that jump throw to the sideline when he's evading pressure to the right. It simply doesn't work as often as he would like. Just run the damn ball and pick up a few yards. Do I believe Caleb was the most talented player in his class? Absolutely! Maye was my first choice and it had nothing to do with talent. Maye had been competing and learning how to overcome adversity since he was in diapers. There wasn't a person in his family that he didn't have to struggle to beat. I wanted the competitor over the talent. They look too be wired differently. When Maye talks, it's quickly and sure. When Caleb talks it's umm umm. I never liked that trait. The good ones never stammer. I'll wait to see if someone knows one. Trust me, the traits I speak of aren't always a sign and it's simply what I like. And I'm wrong as much as anyone. Growing pains are what they are. Sometimes you see growth and sometimes they just hurt. Caleb has time, but needs to realize what he's doing and what it means on every play. Caleb is our guy and I like him very much. Hopefully, he grows quickly so we can see what he's meant to be.

And none of them drafted by us...

The NFL can eat a bag of dicks. We got outplayed by Ravens and didn't deserve to have the refs pile on.

He did nothing on that interception besides stare at Rome.

Caleb Williams is a dumb quarterback. He doesn't comprehend situational football. He's nothing but a ball of talent with no way to use it.

He actually did on the second one, but that doesn't even matter. He knows where his receivers are. Throw the damn ball out of bounds in their direction.

Halftime thoughts: Johnson is being too cute with the play calls. Where did Loveland go? Need more quick throws out and in. Where are the deep shots? Edit: Caleb Williams is a f@cktard. Two times, he's thrown away a ball and had no clue where his receivers were. Maddening!

I don't think so. It would be in Braxton's best interest to be traded. Now, he'll go into free agency as a benched backup, instead of a marginal starter.

Hard to trade a guy that's on IR.

I don't know if I'd compare him to Davis. When you injure a hamstring, your body becomes out of tune from foot to neck. Sometimes another injury will pop up. In his case and it's a groin. Same thing happened with Johnson, as his injury was different than the one he initially missed camp with. Davis simply didn't want to play. Gordon seems to genuinely play with joy.

Just heard Lamar ran the scout team in practice Friday.

I was looking at next year's cap and there is not much room. Players that probably won't be here are Edmunds, Kmet, Moore and Jarrett. I say this because the first three are cap friendly cuts without huge dead money. Jarrett is simply not a need and high salary. (Wasted signing so far). The 25 draft saw us select Moore, Kmet and Jarrett's potential replacements. That Dayo signing looks to be a bust as well, but I don't know if he's cut-able. I know this has all been discussed before, but I thought the 25 draft was cool inclusion. Who else? Kiran?

And as the world turns, Jayden "RGIII" Daniels is already ruled out, again...

I didn't want to start a new thread, but the debate is formally over.