jason

BAAAAHAHAHAHA. Nice.

"The 1st team unit looked like this: LT Frank Omiyale, LG Chris Williams, C Roberto Garza, RG Lance Louis, RT J’Marcus Webb" Somehow, the OL got WORSE. http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/30/bea...st-day-of-camp/

I'm willing to bet if you had video of EVERY one-on-one, Olin held his own. And when compared to the one-on-one opportunities of the other guys on the OL, he probably performed better. I don't know where the notion that Olin wasn't the Bears' best OLineman last year has come from. I really don't think it's even up for debate. The only possible consideration is Garza, and he was far from great. And those statements don't even consider the very distinct probability that he was constantly worrying about covering down on his left AND his right for OGs (mostly LG) who weren't exactly studs last year. The Center is the most vulnerable player (i.e. head down) on the OL because he has a slight disadvantage when it comes to timing. It's very natural, and quite common, for defenses to attempt to exploit the gaps on either side of the C. Yet Olin was still better than the others on the OL. Oh, and he called the blocking assignments. Look, I'm not saying he was the same as he was 10 years ago. I'm not saying he's an all-star or the Bears' offer wasn't really enough for his current status. I don't think anyone is saying that. But he was undoubtedly the leader of the OL, maybe even the clubhouse, and his absence will hurt the performance of the OL. That's scary considering the pile of shit the OL imitated most of 2010. Debate semantics all you want, but the reason Olin left can be quantified financially: 500K. For a team so far under the cap, that sum doesn't seem extraordinary as a parting pat on the back for an all-time Bears player. It's not uncommon in any sport, and it would have been a good move all around. Kreutz probably shouldn't have played hardball, but I think he realized his value. I don't think the Bears FO realizes it. Morrissey wrote a great article about the situation: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...jay-cutler.html

Tell me about it! I was ranting and raving for Randy Moss. I believe we had content on the old old board.

Best one: Jerry Angelo proudly decides to show off chest hair instead of a Free Agent Offensive Linemen

Well, we all can't be right all of the time. Lord knows I've been wrong many times. But in regards the OL, I've been right just about every single time, and for quite some time. Glad to know you've seen the error of your past ways. Now if we could just pass the word to Angelo and Lovie.

Thanks for the update bradjock. At least it sounds like all the guys have come into camp in good shape.

Spencer - E. Williams - Garza... Garza - E. Williams - Spencer... E. Williams - Spencer - Garza... Garza - Spencer - E. Williams... E. Williams - Garza - Spencer... Spencer - Garza - E. Williams... Nope. I don't like one of those scenarios. In fact, I hate all 6 possibilities. Jay Cutler weeps.

I can accept the "agree to disagree" stance, I just happen to think it's ridiculous in this case. I can accept the "give it time" stance, I just happen to think it was already given time, over the course of numerous years. And you misquoted me, I said, there were at least 2 stud OGs available when FA began. Where they ended up is inconsequential. If the Bears wanted a player enough, needed a player enough, there would have at least been some info on the rumor mill or statements by the FO about the pursuit of said player. As it stands, we have a minor blurb about OT, which was/is the second, maybe third, area of need on the OL. As for the analogy I made, it's about addressing priorities. When there is a fire, you put it out. You don't walk away and do something else or improve something else when it's already in a decent or solid state. You address the problem. You put out the fire.

HAHA. Good one. Wrong though. Remember, I'm not all about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I want the Bears to improve EVERY position. I just don't want them to virtually ignore the position in most need. As for Osi Umenyiora, I think he would have be an AWESOME pickup for the Bears. I would love to see him and Peppers collapsing the pocket on every single play. I just wonder about the money he currently demands and the amount he'll want for a future deal.

I don't see that as unlikely, particularly because of the truncated preseason & training camp. Personally I think it will be: LT - Webb LG - Williams C - Spencer RG - Garza RT - Carimi ...and Jay Cutler in a sling at the end of the year.

Cutting a TE and the emotional leader of your OL are not upgrades to the OL. Neither is giving another starting position to a guy who sucked last year (i.e. Webb) just because he has a year of sucking under his belt. -The TE doesn't play OL. I could alternately say that cutting Olsen made the Bears less of a threat on offense. So, that's gotta be scratched off the positives list. -Removing Kreutz is at best a lateral move. The ONLY true upgrade the Bears have made to the OL this year is in the draft. Gabe Carimi is an upgrade. Even as an untested rookie, he's better than Webb or Omiyale. Beyond that, however, there have been no actual upgrades. Sure, they swept up the place a bit, but that doesn't mean they made significant changes or upgrades. The part in super-blue is a bad enough possibility that the minor changes, or "upgrades" as you like to call them, amount to very little for a very major problem and very likely possibility. Bandaids on a shotgun blast to the chest.

I don't feel like looking back in the board's history, but I'm quite sure some people were saying the same thing last year, and the year before, and the year before...how did that work out? No better than the 23rd ranked offense since the magical Super Bowl year. 2010 - 30 2009 - 23 2008 - 26 2007 - 27 The point is, we're sick of the lack of attention the OL gets. Hell, every single person who considers themselves a Bears fan should be irritated if this obvious deficiency isn't addressed again. It is, and has been for about 5 years, the primary problem with this team. The DL got addressed, again, and it could potentially be a great DL. I'm excited about the DL. But the DL didn't need nearly the help that the OL did. As for your previous comments, you're the one who said it was "sound deliberation" for JA to tap dance around the issue when the obvious need was OL, and the obvious subset of that was OG, and there were at least 2 stud OGs available when FA began. That should have been focus number 1, number 2, and just in case, number 3. When my bedroom is on fire I don't typically walk into the kitchen and start making breakfast.

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!? It's "fine by you" if the Bears don't address their OBVIOUS #1 need? It's "fine by you" if the Bears don't upgrade the position that was directly responsible for most of the failings of the offense last year? It's "sound deliberation" to keep the OL at status quo despite the fact it's the primary cause for the Bears' failure throughout the season and the ultimate end to the season?! If the OL isn't addressed, it's pathetic.

1. It's pathetic if the Bears don't get OL help. Moronic. It was, and still is, the team's number one priority. And the difference between #1 and #2 wasn't/isn't even close. But we see, yet again, that the Bears' FO thinks the DL is the favorite kid and the OL is the ugly, adopted, step-kid. 2. If Kreutz was released for what amounts to 500K, it's another stupid move. 3. I agree that Webb should be an OG. He's got the body for it, and his skills appear to be ill-suited for the OT position. 4. To fill the "hole" at OT, Williams should be moved back to his original OT position. He wasn't doing too poorly before he was moved inside for needs of the team. He certainly can't do worse than false start Frank or Webb.

Peppers and Izzy are penciled in at DE. Gholston will spell them in rotation. Adams plays the DT/NT position. But who starts at DT? Harrison, Melton, Big Toe, Omobi? Where do Wooten and Gilbert fall into the mix? Seems like there are too many bodies in the mix.

This is a great post. Sincerely. I was out of the loop for the past 36 hours, and when I found out the Bears hadn't signed anyone to shore of the peewee OL, I was nearly sick to my stomach. Nice to know there are still guys out there.

We have had our differences in the past, but it's nice to know we can always find common ground. Neither Sapp nor Irvin, especially Irvin, needs to be put in front of a microphone and given an analyst job. Completely ignorant.

We will have to look at the game film.

If Olin was a turnstile last year, then the other guys were Merry Go Rounds laid out on red carpets.

Yes, I know the Bears are rarely on the winning side of an arrangement with another team. Unfortunately.

Catchable is questionable. Watch it again. The pass was in front of him and he had to stretch out his arms. Right where the DB could stick in a hand. I don't think that was a gimme by any means. And then he fought for it, while taking contact, while in traffic, while keeping his eye on the ball the entire time. Still a positive video as far as I'm concerned. NOTE: Never been a huge fan of Roy Williams, but I don't think he lacks the talent. I think he lacks the motivation.

Thank you for saving me the time of posting this. WR pick ups should be done. There is no sense in picking up another guy, because that means one of Bennett, Knox, or Hester doesn't see the field on offense...which would be stupid.

Hell, flea, I don't even know for which side that video is posted. I view it as a positive for multiple reasons. First, he stretched out with his arms when obvious contact was in front of him. Second, he continued to keep his eyes on the ball while running through even more traffic. Third, he received contact from no less than 3 defenders and still kept running and fighting for the ball. End result? Incomplete. But I like that video as a statement of what Roy Williams can do, rather than what he can't.

Good point. The upgrade, of course, is that the TE in the game this year should serve as the 6th OLineman we heard so much about before the 2010 season when Manuseless was picked up.