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[BearFan PHX]

48 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

How do you know he misread the board, let alone multiple times?  The running backs didn't pop off crazy, but the OL sure did.

Im talking about in the 3rd round and later - our trade backs.

There was an interview with Jeff King, which i cant find now, where he acknowledged that they were hoping for other HBs earlier; Kaleb Johnson, Cam Sketbo and one other guy I forget.

There have also been a ton of articles suspecting the same.

It seems like, more than once, we targeted a HB and traded back only to have someone pop up in front of us and take one of those HBs within a few picks of our new traded back picks.

From all of this, I conclude that Pace read the board as afar as who needed what, and maximized value by trading back, but failed to calculate other teams trading in front of us to snag that HB.

Also, just logically, would you rather have Kaleb Johnson or Cam Skatebo vs. our extra later picks that we got in those tradedowns?

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

Also, just logically, would you rather have Kaleb Johnson or Cam Skatebo vs. our extra later picks that we got in those tradedowns?

I absolutely would take Trapilo and Stewart over either of those guys.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

I absolutely would take Trapilo and Stewart over either of those guys.

Right, we got these two quality hogs for pick 41 and 72.  If we didn't trade, sure we could have drafted Kaleb Johnson, who I was all for.  I think after Henderson was gone, Poles wasn't too worried about the rest of the backs and figured he would get a guy before it was over.  He also could buy a vet FA if they missed out.  There is no way any GM can calculate what 31 other teams need and where they rate players. The Bears brass seem happy and get to add at least 7 more guys next draft.  

[BearFan PHX]

4 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I absolutely would take Trapilo and Stewart over either of those guys.

right, Im talking about the tradedowns after that. 3rd round and later.

I would have taken Ersery at 41, but if Trapilo works out, then that trade down was fantastic, and Turner (is that who you meant instead of Stewart?) is going to be great for us. So that trade down worked out OK *IF* Trapilo is good.

And of course Ersery was on my radar and Trapilo wasnt, so it was a surpise for me, but Im willing to say that was a good trade.

Im talking about after that, when we let HBs go, traded down, and then saw them stolen right before we picked - I think that happened twice? Like we were going down our HB list, and kept getting played.

The question was more like KJ or Sketebo vs Rah the CB and someone else from the 5th round.

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

There is no way any GM can calculate what 31 other teams need and where they rate players. The Bears brass seem happy and get to add at least 7 more guys next draft.  

I actually think they KIND OF can, and that we did a good job of that. We targeted tradedowns, and the teams that took the players before us traded up into those spots, and that's where we were potentially a little too greedy?

So we might have correctly predicted the teams on the board, but not considered people trading ahead of us.

[Stinger226]

6 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

right, Im talking about the tradedowns after that. 3rd round and later.

I would have taken Ersery at 41, but if Trapilo works out, then that trade down was fantastic, and Turner (is that who you meant instead of Stewart?) is going to be great for us. So that trade down worked out OK *IF* Trapilo is good.

And of course Ersery was on my radar and Trapilo wasnt, so it was a surpise for me, but Im willing to say that was a good trade.

Im talking about after that, when we let HBs go, traded down, and then saw them stolen right before we picked - I think that happened twice? Like we were going down our HB list, and kept getting played.

The question was more like KJ or Sketebo vs Rah the CB and someone else from the 5th round.

Did you ever thing they didnt value Ersery as high as you did? If they valued him, they would have taken him. You think they moved back thinking they could still get him. Maybe they liked Trapilo more. The first four picks by their reactions, told me they wanted them, not settled for someone else. That is the reason they traded back. They also may not have seen RB as that critical of a need. That is what pundits projected. 

We assume a lot of what they thought, wanted, and did. Its  not any different than thinking they would have took Banks. Poles has no problem moving arouind to get players, moving a couple spots to get Banks was doable if that mattered. Im saying that wasnt their plan. In the war room video, at 9.47 BJ tells Colston, he played the highlight video before the draft to give the rest of the room a little insight on where they would go. That sounds like they intented to take him. Also At 9.10 Jeff King says that the more they watched film the more that knew Colston was the pick for them.

If I could see the Jeff King conversation, then I would understand your points. I have extensively looked and cant find it. Lots of tape of CC talking about the draft and who they liked, but I think more her opinion than repeating what Jeff King said. I know he had a press conference its just about how he worded statements. 

[BearFan PHX]

9 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Did you ever thing they didnt value Ersery as high as you did?

Yes, I JUST wrote "And of course Ersery was on my radar and Trapilo wasnt, so it was a surpise for me, but Im willing to say that was a good trade."

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

Yes, I JUST wrote "And of course Ersery was on my radar and Trapilo wasnt, so it was a surpise for me, but Im willing to say that was a good trade."

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