Micah Parsons

[BearFan PHX]

5 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

It would definitely peak my interest...

I'm making some assumptions in saying this, but adding Parsons could make this a complete roster that could go as far as their production takes them. Meaning, this may not be the year we win a Superbowl, but a lot of these guys are the players that are going to do it, so if you add a real edge rusher, youre that much closer.

Sounds like we would have to make a deal with Dallas, and that isnt gonna be easy. And it might just be too rich.

[BearFan PHX]

Sadly, Parsons didnt say hed take less to go to Chicago. That was a hoax unfortunately.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

19 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Sadly, Parsons didnt say hed take less to go to Chicago. That was a hoax unfortunately.

FB is full of crap.  Thank you for verifying. The taking less had me intrigued and I was excited to share. 

 

[BearFan PHX]

16 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

FB is full of crap.  Thank you for verifying. The taking less had me intrigued and I was excited to share. 

 

we still might get him! who knows? I can tell you Poles is looking into it 100%.

[Stinger226]

5 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

we still might get him! who knows? I can tell you Poles is looking into it 100%.

Its a GMs job to check everything out that is normal business. BUT if you look at all of his contracts, the stars of the team all come do in 2027 and 2028. He sets up outs the year before. Adding a 40+mil player disrupts all the work he did to get to the day Caleb has to be paid. He said he wants to build thru the draft. Trading several high picks to get one player throws that out the window. He made a trade in the second round this year to get 3 2nd round picks. All with the chance to be core players. I dont think he throws his long range plan away to get a player as AZ54 said would be a situational pass rusher in this defense. This year he picked up Dayo, drafted Turner who should be able to play in and out. Signed Jarret to help with the pass rush. No way he signed Grady and Dayo to throw away the plan of a 40+ mil player.

The thought of a high end pass rusher is intriging but he traded for Sweat, 2 yrs ago to be that player and paid him which looks like a cheap deal now. He had a great first year and in the second yr was injuried with a dysfuntional coach. BJ has stated several times how good Sweat looks this preseason. I trust BJ's opinion.

Trading for Micah is just a passing thought that will never happen.

[Stinger226]

This article lays it out quite well why the Bears are not in the running for a trade for Micah.

https://nfltraderumors.co/six-trade-proposals-for-micah-parsons/

[Mongo3451]

38 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

This article lays it out quite well why the Bears are not in the running for a trade for Micah.

https://nfltraderumors.co/six-trade-proposals-for-micah-parsons/

Thanks for washing my time.  There's not one darn thing in that article that lays out why the Bears are not in the running for Parsons.

Again, I'm not for trading for him, but damn.

[Stinger226]

54 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Thanks for washing my time.  There's not one darn thing in that article that lays out why the Bears are not in the running for Parsons.

Again, I'm not for trading for him, but damn.

I think its quite stated, he is going to go to a SB contender. If your Micah, you have some control over where you go only if Dallas decides to trade him. As much I think the Bears will become a contender this yr, does Parsons believe that? Who has the cap space and ability to absorb a 40+ contract in the future? We dont. On that list NE and the Raiders dont qaulify as contenders but both have great preceived coaches that may be able to talk him into it. 

Its a multi phased answer.

We dont have the Cap space-everything is set for paying Caleb in 2028 with the contracts already constructed.

We brought in a respected D coach that Parsons does not fit his scheme. Of course he is a major talent but who are you setting down to play him? You just paid 15 mil to Dayo and you are paying Edmunds 17 mil this yr. You can not get out of lots of dead money if either was to leave.

We signed Dayo, Jarrett and drafted Shemar Turner. Have a preceived difference maker already on the team in Sweat. Traded a draft pick to get Booker last year. (is he kicking that to the side to pay out a 40+ contract?

With bringing in BJ and drafting Loveland and Burder to go along with DJ Moore-Rome-Kmet, we are clearing changing the assets to offense in the last few yrs since we drafted Caleb. Are we throwing all in for  spending big on defense now? I think the draft will decide our defensive players.

It is just what I think the Bears will do and not do. If there was betting odds on it, it would be very high on not trading for him.

[Mongo3451]

32 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

 

It is just what I think the Bears will do and not do. If there was betting odds on it, it would be very high on not trading for him.

Yeah, betting odds should 20-1 for staying in Dallas.

Since we control Caleb for these next four years, nothing is set in stone with our cap space.  Here's a scenario: 

Bears receive: Micah Parsons, Jack Sanborn and Cowboys 2026 2nd round pick.

Cowboys receive: Dayo, Tremaine Edmunds and Braxton Jones.  Also receive:  Bears 2026 1st and 3rd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick.

Creativity is bad bitch in the league.  They can always find ways to wisely move money around to make ways to pay greatness.

 

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

Yeah, betting odds should 20-1 for staying in Dallas.

Since we control Caleb for these next four years, nothing is set in stone with our cap space.  Here's a scenario: 

Bears receive: Micah Parsons, Jack Sanborn and Cowboys 2026 2nd round pick.

Cowboys receive: Dayo, Tremaine Edmunds and Braxton Jones.  Also receive:  Bears 2026 1st and 3rd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick.

Creativity is bad bitch in the league.  They can always find ways to wisely move money around to make ways to pay greatness.

 

You just like me dont think we are going to trade for Parsons. You like me dont want them to. Is it necessary to argue that (it could happen), I think its a wasted discussion. 

You literally brought up the best reason that we arent going to trade for a high end pass rusher,  it doesnt get you to the SB. The top 5 are in what ever order you like Garrett-Watts-Parsons-Crosby-(Hendrickson-Bosa-Hutchenson) All were drafted by the teams they are with, first yr contract advantage. Only Bosa made a SB game out of those choices. I would like someone to show me a top end pass rusher that they traded for and went to a SB? Its possible there is one but in aint in the last 10 yrs at least. The only one I can think of was GB trading for Reggie White in 1997. Your welcome to try to find one. 

[Mongo3451]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

The only one I can think of was GB trading for Reggie White in 1997. Your welcome to try to find one. 

Same era.  Charles Haley

5 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Trading for Micah is just a passing thought that will never happen.

That's why I screw with you.  We've all seen shocking trades, so it's possible.  Never, being your operative word, should never be used when discussing things you personally can't control.  It can eventually bite you in the arse.  It's a beautiful Sunday afternoon and I have have nothing better to do whilst watching the Cubbies...🍻🤪

[Stinger226]

10 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Same era.  Charles Haley

That's why I screw with you.  We've all seen shocking trades, so it's possible.  Never, being your operative word, should never be used when discussing things you personally can't control.  It can eventually bite you in the arse.  It's a beautiful Sunday afternoon and I have have nothing better to do whilst watching the Cubbies...🍻🤪

Just like anyone elses opinion,  IMO, I dont see any chance of it happening. If I feel strongly about something, I am now suppose to use  certain words? Lots of members have strong opinions on subjects but I have to watch what words I use? I have a 100$  willing to bet it doesnt happen. Anyone want that bet, we can send the money to Adam and sit back and see if it happens. That's how certain I am its not happening. 

Now let me state, I have lost lots of bets before because I like gambling but I also have won before.

[Mongo3451]

30 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

I am now suppose to use  certain words?

No, just the right ones.   

Ball Busting 101:  clearly states that anything and everything can and will be used against you.  If you say never, someone else is gonna come in and offer a counter. 

This guy ain't taking your bet...🍻

[BearFan PHX]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Its a GMs job to check everything out that is normal business. BUT if you look at all of his contracts, the stars of the team all come do in 2027 and 2028. He sets up outs the year before. Adding a 40+mil player disrupts all the work he did to get to the day Caleb has to be paid. He said he wants to build thru the draft. Trading several high picks to get one player throws that out the window. He made a trade in the second round this year to get 3 2nd round picks. All with the chance to be core players. I dont think he throws his long range plan away to get a player as AZ54 said would be a situational pass rusher in this defense. This year he picked up Dayo, drafted Turner who should be able to play in and out. Signed Jarret to help with the pass rush. No way he signed Grady and Dayo to throw away the plan of a 40+ mil player.

The thought of a high end pass rusher is intriging but he traded for Sweat, 2 yrs ago to be that player and paid him which looks like a cheap deal now. He had a great first year and in the second yr was injuried with a dysfuntional coach. BJ has stated several times how good Sweat looks this preseason. I trust BJ's opinion.

Trading for Micah is just a passing thought that will never happen.

I truly dont understand your thinking. The whole point of having a QB on a rookie deal is to have cap space to add highly paid players while you can afford them BEFORE you pay Caleb.

What do you think the benefit of having players with deals that end with Calebs is? On one hand they are around until then, you dont lose them early - but what would be the downside of having a great pass rusher who has a contract that extends beyond Calebs?

Im think you dont understand why the contracts are synced - and think there is some benefit to it that you dont understand?

The problem here is what the trade would cost, not the cap or contract.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

20 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I truly dont understand your thinking. The whole point of having a QB on a rookie deal is to have cap space to add highly paid players while you can afford them BEFORE you pay Caleb.

What do you think the benefit of having players with deals that end with Calebs is? On one hand they are around until then, you dont lose them early - but what would be the downside of having a great pass rusher who has a contract that extends beyond Calebs?

Im think you dont understand why the contracts are synced - and think there is some benefit to it that you dont understand?

The problem here is what the trade would cost, not the cap or contract.

Jerry Jones will not let him go with 2 franchise tags in his pocket unless he receives a Herschel Walker type deal. Parsons can sit out all he wants but Dallas holds all the power and Parsons will not throw away that kind of fortune. 

Every unhappy DE/Edge is linked to the Bears,  Poles will explore it, but doesnt need to.  He can address that next season like he has done with DBs, WRs, and Oline.

[BearFan PHX]

26 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Jerry Jones will not let him go with 2 franchise tags in his pocket unless he receives a Herschel Walker type deal. Parsons can sit out all he wants but Dallas holds all the power and Parsons will not throw away that kind of fortune. 

Every unhappy DE/Edge is linked to the Bears,  Poles will explore it, but doesnt need to.  He can address that next season like he has done with DBs, WRs, and Oline.

I completely agree that I predict Jerry Jones will want too much in trade value. Ive said it over and over - that is WHY the trade probably wont happen.

All Im pushing back on are these ridiculous arguments:

1) We dont have the cap space - they can always push money around and make space for a player like Parsons if he is available to us

2) He doesnt fit the scheme - he fits every scheme. Every team in the league would love to have him if they could swing it

3) His contract doesnt align with Caleb's - so what?! The alignment thing was to be sure players were still here, there is nothing wrong with having a stud pass rusher around for more years, in fact we are more likely to be able to afford him before Calebs 2nd deal anyway. And you try to draft or acquire good players every year, so contracts are always staggered - which is smart because you dont want everyone coming due for an extension at the same time. I think Stinger has misunderstood why syncing the GM and HC is a great idea, and is trying to extend that to the players?

But the reason it wont happen is the trade cost, nothing else. That's what im saying. 

But strange things do happen, and so you gotta do your due diligence. I do think the Bears could make a move before the seasons starts on the Defensive Line. Will it be Parsons? probably not. But its not impossible.

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I truly dont understand your thinking. The whole point of having a QB on a rookie deal is to have cap space to add highly paid players while you can afford them BEFORE you pay Caleb.

What do you think the benefit of having players with deals that end with Calebs is? On one hand they are around until then, you dont lose them early - but what would be the downside of having a great pass rusher who has a contract that extends beyond Calebs?

Im think you dont understand why the contracts are synced - and think there is some benefit to it that you dont understand?

The problem here is what the trade would cost, not the cap or contract.

You just told me because of the cost of the trade its not happening. So we agree , they arent trading for him. To suggest a 40mil  plus contract doesnt matter? I have to ask is pot legal in AZ? That was my only point to begin with, it wasnt going to happen. I could be wrong, but I havent heard any other members agreeing with you. 

I follow Poles on X and you can contact him and tell him what a great idea it is to trade for Micah.  @RyanPolesBears  Poles and I agree this is a bad idea, I have no power to make decisions for the Bears,  but he does.

[Stinger226]

2 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Jerry Jones will not let him go with 2 franchise tags in his pocket unless he receives a Herschel Walker type deal. Parsons can sit out all he wants but Dallas holds all the power and Parsons will not throw away that kind of fortune. 

Every unhappy DE/Edge is linked to the Bears,  Poles will explore it, but doesnt need to.  He can address that next season like he has done with DBs, WRs, and Oline.

So another member agrees, this is  not going to happen. It will be a draft need next yr.

[BearFan PHX]

37 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

You just told me because of the cost of the trade its not happening. So we agree , they arent trading for him. To suggest a 40mil  plus contract doesnt matter? I have to ask is pot legal in AZ? That was my only point to begin with, it wasnt going to happen. I could be wrong, but I havent heard any other members agreeing with you. 

I follow Poles on X and you can contact him and tell him what a great idea it is to trade for Micah.  @RyanPolesBears  Poles and I agree this is a bad idea, I have no power to make decisions for the Bears,  but he does.

OK here you go again, playing word games to hide yourself, and throwing in some personal stuff to make it sound tough.

So first off, we have agreed the price or the trade alone makes it not happen. Yes.

But it isnt that simple. We talked about WHY, and you still dont get that any team that had it would love to pay this guy. Im not smoking pot, Im paying a top player in the league at one of the two most important positions in football what they are worth. You dont get that?

You also say he isnt a scheme fit - absolute nonsense.

And finally you say something about contracts being sync'ed - also total fantasies.

So yes, we agree that the trade probably wont happen, but you have three reasons why out of four that make no sense at all.

As fot asking if im high, and suggesting I contact Poles about this - man your anger issues are coming out again. Because i said you were wrong. Because youa re.

[Stinger226]

25 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

OK here you go again, playing word games to hide yourself, and throwing in some personal stuff to make it sound tough.

So first off, we have agreed the price or the trade alone makes it not happen. Yes.

But it isnt that simple. We talked about WHY, and you still dont get that any team that had it would love to pay this guy. Im not smoking pot, Im paying a top player int he league at one of the two most important positions in football what they are worth. You dont get that?

You also say he isnt a scheme fit - absolute nonsense.

And finally you say something about contracts being sync'ed - also total fantasies.

So yes, we agree that the trade probably wont happen, but you have three reasons why our of four that make no sense at all.

As fot asking if im high, and suggesting I contact Poles about this - man your anger issues are coming out again. Because i said you were wrong. Because youa re.

I will show you how stupid I am and bet you 100$ this isnt going to happen. Say the word and I will send the money to Adam if he is okay with taking it. Anyone arguing about making a trade and then at the end of the paragraph agrees we arent going to trade for him has to be on something or didnt take his medication today. 

And I quote (But the reason it wont happen is the trade cost, nothing else.) That's what im saying. You agree with me, I listed several reasons and one of them was the trade cost and then you continue to try to argue the point with me. 

I never got personal in asking if someone saying the cap space and contract cost doesnt matter, maybe you're just having a bad day but that is not normal thinking. Do  you really want me to go thru your posts and show you how many times you got personal? 

[BearFan PHX]

38 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

I will show you how stupid I am and bet you 100$ this isnt going to happen. 

Yes you did just show me how stupid you are by proposing that bet. Do you think i am saying the trade WILL happen? Are you not understanding?

THe trade will likely not happen because the trade cost will be too high. Your other arguments are wrong. They are not reasons the deal wont happen. The reason the deal wont happen is because the trade cost is too high.

So how the hell am I betting the trade will happen? Are you making any sense at all?

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Anyone arguing about making a trade and then at the end of the paragraph agrees we arent going to trade for him has to be on something or didnt take his medication today. 

I'll tell you a little story to help explain this mysterious concept to you.

A little boy named Stingy asks his Daddy if they are going to but a new car. Stingy's Daddy says "no we cant afford one"

Little Stingy thinks for a minute and then says "I understand Daddy, we cant buy a new car for four reason. For one it's too expensive." And his father nods his head yes. Then littler Stingy says "and also Daddy, 2+2 = 7, pigs can fly and the moon is made out cheese, those are the other reasons why we cant buy a new car"

Little Stingys Daddy is disappointed in his son, and says "No little Stingy, only the first reason is the reason why"

Then Little Stingy says "so you agree we arent buying a new car, so all the reasons must be true - you must be off your meds"

Little Stingy's Daddy is ashamed. Little Stingy must be drunk, no one could be that massively stupid.

The Little Stingy says "Dont worry Daddy, Im not stupid, i was just lying about not understanding because i wanted to make it look like i wasnt wrong."

The moral of the story is that just because something is true doesnt mean every possible justification for it is valid, and also little Stingy is slippery in his logic, to cover up for when he says things that dont make sense.