Bobby DePaul Dismissed

[chitownman]

According the the article on the Trib's website: http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...l-director.html, it appears that Bobby DePaul who was the Pro Personnel Director has been sent packing. It appears that DePaul and Angelo had a decent relationship however, the relationship between DePaul and Smith was not the best. It appears that DePaul was instrumental in obtaining Jay Cutler and other notables as John Tait and Thomas Jones. So it appears that all the decisions are going to remain with two people to hopefully turn this team around in 2010. I would not hold faith that Angelo and Smith will make the right decisions to right this increasingly sinking ship. I am hoping that this will be the beginning of the end of the Angelo Smith regime. Maybe Philips will have the brains to bring DePaul back after cleaning house in January 2011 and let DePaul continue to do what he may have been doing to right the ship only to be vetoed by Angelo and Smith.

[Connorbear]

According the the article on the Trib's website: http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...l-director.html, it appears that Bobby DePaul who was the Pro Personnel Director has been sent packing. It appears that DePaul and Angelo had a decent relationship however, the relationship between DePaul and Smith was not the best. It appears that DePaul was instrumental in obtaining Jay Cutler and other notables as John Tait and Thomas Jones. So it appears that all the decisions are going to remain with two people to hopefully turn this team around in 2010. I would not hold faith that Angelo and Smith will make the right decisions to right this increasingly sinking ship. I am hoping that this will be the beginning of the end of the Angelo Smith regime. Maybe Philips will have the brains to bring DePaul back after cleaning house in January 2011 and let DePaul continue to do what he may have been doing to right the ship only to be vetoed by Angelo and Smith.

If you're going to give DePaul credit for those 3 players, then you have to knock him for:

 

- Booker

- Lloyd

- Manning Jr.

- Bullock

- Muhammed

- Stewart

- Pace

 

If they clean house at the end of the next yr, I don't want DePaul back. Fresh faces to the organization only.

 

Peace

[Mongo3451]

If you're going to give DePaul credit for those 3 players, then you have to knock him for:

 

- Booker

- Lloyd

- Manning Jr.

- Bullock

- Muhammed

- Stewart

- Pace

 

If they clean house at the end of the next yr, I don't want DePaul back. Fresh faces to the organization only.

 

Peace

Agreed, with the exception of Toub and the ball boy.

[chitownman]

I understand what you are saying Connor however, what if it was both Smith and Angelo who made the final decisions on the people you listed and they did not listen to DePaul? I just hope either way that we get what we need right now which is a total house cleaning from the President down.

 

If you're going to give DePaul credit for those 3 players, then you have to knock him for:

 

- Booker

- Lloyd

- Manning Jr.

- Bullock

- Muhammed

- Stewart

- Pace

 

If they clean house at the end of the next yr, I don't want DePaul back. Fresh faces to the organization only.

 

Peace

 

[nfoligno]

I'll be honest. I have never been that thrilled with DePaul. Simply too many of our veteran additions failed to live up to expectations. Yes, we can list off some that went well above expectations (TJ and Brown come to mind) but too many failed.

 

Regardless, what bothers me here is the timing. Why did we suddenly lose faith in Bobby. FA starts in what, 2 weeks, and we just now fire the man in charge of scouting for FA? This is the sort of decision I would have expected at the same time as letting go of our coaches. Yes, I know we have a GM who makes the decisions on FAs, but there is no way you can say our director of proffesional scouting didn't have a big role.

 

Again, I have no issue w/ dumping Bobby, but just question the timing of it.

 

According the the article on the Trib's website: http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...l-director.html, it appears that Bobby DePaul who was the Pro Personnel Director has been sent packing. It appears that DePaul and Angelo had a decent relationship however, the relationship between DePaul and Smith was not the best. It appears that DePaul was instrumental in obtaining Jay Cutler and other notables as John Tait and Thomas Jones. So it appears that all the decisions are going to remain with two people to hopefully turn this team around in 2010. I would not hold faith that Angelo and Smith will make the right decisions to right this increasingly sinking ship. I am hoping that this will be the beginning of the end of the Angelo Smith regime. Maybe Philips will have the brains to bring DePaul back after cleaning house in January 2011 and let DePaul continue to do what he may have been doing to right the ship only to be vetoed by Angelo and Smith.

 

[Connorbear]

I'll be honest. I have never been that thrilled with DePaul. Simply too many of our veteran additions failed to live up to expectations. Yes, we can list off some that went well above expectations (TJ and Brown come to mind) but too many failed.

 

Regardless, what bothers me here is the timing. Why did we suddenly lose faith in Bobby. FA starts in what, 2 weeks, and we just now fire the man in charge of scouting for FA? This is the sort of decision I would have expected at the same time as letting go of our coaches. Yes, I know we have a GM who makes the decisions on FAs, but there is no way you can say our director of proffesional scouting didn't have a big role.

 

Again, I have no issue w/ dumping Bobby, but just question the timing of it.

Agreed - the timely is really bad. Also, the fact that he was escorted out of Halas Hall. Very strange.

 

Peace

 

[nfoligno]

Honestly, I am not going to put too much stock in the "escorted out" part, at least not until I hear more. He has been w/ the team a long time, and could have been walking out w/ a friend/co-worker, and that may well be enough for a reporter to claim he was "escorted out". Now if I read that security escorted him out, that is another thing.

 

Honestly, the whole thing bothers the hell out of me the more I think about it.

 

Why the hell fire him now? You don't suddenly look at the roster and realize something today you didn't know a month or two ago. If you didn't feel he had done his job, you fire him earlier. You don't wait until 2 weeks before FA to fire the guy who runs the veteran player scouts. How would it look if we fired our college director 2 weeks prior to the draft?

 

Then throw in the part about him being tight w/ Angelo but not Smith. Take it another step. We hired the OC (Martz) who Angelo supposedly never was in favor of, but Smith wanted. We promoted Marinelli to DC, which again, was the top choice of Smith but Angelo was against.

 

At this point, is it fair to ask who is running the team?

 

Agreed - the timely is really bad. Also, the fact that he was escorted out of Halas Hall. Very strange.

 

Peace

 

[ChileBear]

Then throw in the part about him being tight w/ Angelo but not Smith. Take it another step. We hired the OC (Martz) who Angelo supposedly never was in favor of, but Smith wanted. We promoted Marinelli to DC, which again, was the top choice of Smith but Angelo was against.

 

At this point, is it fair to ask who is running the team?

A good arguement could be made that JA is on the way out. And If 2011 is a lockout, then my guess is they'd fire JA and let Lovie run the show. That would be further proof that the owners really are a cheap bunch that don't care about winning.

It's just wait and see now. And God help the fans if Lovie is in charge of the whole cheebang!

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Interesting. Sounds like we are going to hire the Seahawks former GM to replace Depaul.

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

Danny Mac said on the Score this morning that this is a power move by Lovie. Next to go will the the trainer, than maybe the head of college scouting. Basically, Lovie has taken over and is leaving Jerry with no power.

[DABEARSDABOMB]

Danny Mac said on the Score this morning that this is a power move by Lovie. Next to go will the the trainer, than maybe the head of college scouting. Basically, Lovie has taken over and is leaving Jerry with no power.

I read the opposite on profootball talk. They basically said it had more to do with Jerry bringing in one of his boys than anything else and that basically if Jerry hires his boy the Bears would have Depaul's research plus Jerry's boys research (which was done with the Seahawks) and essentially the club would have 2 weeks to look at both research and make there decisions on who to target in FA.

[nfoligno]

Two additional thoughts/angles.

 

One. While many, including myself, has looked at the power angle of this between Lovie and Angelo, I have to wonder how true this may be if we do hire Ruskell, as some have reported. He is tight w/ Angelo. Thus, if our new hire is an Angelo BFF rather than a Lovie BFF, that would put into question this being a Lovie power play.

 

Two. One more point regarding timing, which PFT does point out. W/ FA just about 2 weeks away, most of the work has likely already been done. Decisions may not have yet been made, but the scouting reports on most players/positions likely has already taken place. The person in charge of those scouting reports was just fired. That means he takes w/ him all the knowledge too. Not that we will miss that knowledge, but now someone who knows what positions we are targeting, what players we have rated highest, and such is available to any.

 

Seriously. If you are going to make this move, I just would think you make it either two months ago, or a month or two down the road. Even if we wanted to bring in Ruskell, or someone else, you can do so w/o letting Bobby walk. Firing him now just doesn't make sense. Crap, even if he was surfing porn or something, you send him home and retain his rights, and thus also keep his mouth shut.

 

According the the article on the Trib's website: http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...l-director.html, it appears that Bobby DePaul who was the Pro Personnel Director has been sent packing. It appears that DePaul and Angelo had a decent relationship however, the relationship between DePaul and Smith was not the best. It appears that DePaul was instrumental in obtaining Jay Cutler and other notables as John Tait and Thomas Jones. So it appears that all the decisions are going to remain with two people to hopefully turn this team around in 2010. I would not hold faith that Angelo and Smith will make the right decisions to right this increasingly sinking ship. I am hoping that this will be the beginning of the end of the Angelo Smith regime. Maybe Philips will have the brains to bring DePaul back after cleaning house in January 2011 and let DePaul continue to do what he may have been doing to right the ship only to be vetoed by Angelo and Smith.

 

[nfoligno]

BUT now any of the other 31 teams can also have access to our research.

 

Again, if you want to add someone new, fine. Hire the other guy for whatever position you want, and retain Bobby until after we have made our FA moves.

 

I read the opposite on profootball talk. They basically said it had more to do with Jerry bringing in one of his boys than anything else and that basically if Jerry hires his boy the Bears would have Depaul's research plus Jerry's boys research (which was done with the Seahawks) and essentially the club would have 2 weeks to look at both research and make there decisions on who to target in FA.

 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

BUT now any of the other 31 teams can also have access to our research.

 

Again, if you want to add someone new, fine. Hire the other guy for whatever position you want, and retain Bobby until after we have made our FA moves.

I believe that could be why he was escorted out. That research (or what was written) stays with the team. All of those reports are with the team. Now he might have some info on what the Bears plans or, but I can't think of anyone all that concerned with what a middle of the pack team is going to do in the off-season. And ultimately only one team would benefit.

 

The Bears have a shot at getting twice the information and lets be honest, anyone with half a brain could look on the Bears roster and determine our needs.

 

It has been reported that the Bears brass has not yet identified the players they are going to target anyway and my guess is that is why they made the move when they did (they get his research, yet let him go before he knew too much about the off-season plans).

[madlithuanian]

Honestly, I hope the next regime get a fresh start accross the board.

 

According the the article on the Trib's website: http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/...l-director.html, it appears that Bobby DePaul who was the Pro Personnel Director has been sent packing. It appears that DePaul and Angelo had a decent relationship however, the relationship between DePaul and Smith was not the best. It appears that DePaul was instrumental in obtaining Jay Cutler and other notables as John Tait and Thomas Jones. So it appears that all the decisions are going to remain with two people to hopefully turn this team around in 2010. I would not hold faith that Angelo and Smith will make the right decisions to right this increasingly sinking ship. I am hoping that this will be the beginning of the end of the Angelo Smith regime. Maybe Philips will have the brains to bring DePaul back after cleaning house in January 2011 and let DePaul continue to do what he may have been doing to right the ship only to be vetoed by Angelo and Smith.

 

[madlithuanian]

Godd! Maybe they can screw up as badly as we did then!

 

BUT now any of the other 31 teams can also have access to our research.

 

[madlithuanian]

The way this team is run continues to baffle me at a remarkable percentage... It's pretty much constant, like Swiss timing.

 

Two additional thoughts/angles.

 

One. While many, including myself, has looked at the power angle of this between Lovie and Angelo, I have to wonder how true this may be if we do hire Ruskell, as some have reported. He is tight w/ Angelo. Thus, if our new hire is an Angelo BFF rather than a Lovie BFF, that would put into question this being a Lovie power play.

 

Two. One more point regarding timing, which PFT does point out. W/ FA just about 2 weeks away, most of the work has likely already been done. Decisions may not have yet been made, but the scouting reports on most players/positions likely has already taken place. The person in charge of those scouting reports was just fired. That means he takes w/ him all the knowledge too. Not that we will miss that knowledge, but now someone who knows what positions we are targeting, what players we have rated highest, and such is available to any.

 

Seriously. If you are going to make this move, I just would think you make it either two months ago, or a month or two down the road. Even if we wanted to bring in Ruskell, or someone else, you can do so w/o letting Bobby walk. Firing him now just doesn't make sense. Crap, even if he was surfing porn or something, you send him home and retain his rights, and thus also keep his mouth shut.

 

[BearsFan]

In my business sector it's standard procedure to walk everyone out if they are laid off, fired, or if they quit. Sometimes it's by security, sometimes the manager or supervisor, but it happens every time.

 

As for the timing, I agree that it makes sense. I believe that most of the scouting was already done, and now Angelo will get two opinions on the FAs. JMO

 

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[madlithuanian]

That I get... Happens in my co all the time too. I was more commenting on the timing of this particular release...

 

I would think it would have been better to get the new guy in to do his own research. If they trusted this guy so much to do this years', why let him go?

 

In my business sector it's standard procedure to walk everyone out if they are laid off, fired, or if they quit. Sometimes it's by security, sometimes the manager or supervisor, but it happens every time.

 

As for the timing, I agree that it makes sense. I believe that most of the scouting was already done, and now Angelo will get two opinions on the FAs. JMO

 

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[madlithuanian]

Virgie's in love with Smith. And I fear all us fans will pay dearly for that for years to come... I'd love to call them cheap becasue of that. But, actually, I think "stupid" fits the bill more.

 

 

 

 

 

A good arguement could be made that JA is on the way out. And If 2011 is a lockout, then my guess is they'd fire JA and let Lovie run the show. That would be further proof that the owners really are a cheap bunch that don't care about winning.

It's just wait and see now. And God help the fans if Lovie is in charge of the whole cheebang!

 

['TD']

If you're going to give DePaul credit for those 3 players, then you have to knock him for:

 

- Booker

- Lloyd

- Manning Jr.

- Bullock

- Muhammed

- Stewart

- Pace

 

If they clean house at the end of the next yr, I don't want DePaul back. Fresh faces to the organization only.

 

Peace

 

I wouldn't knock him for Booker, Lloyd, Muhammed, or Pace. I think if it wasn't for Booker's past here he wouldn't have been brought back. Lloyd was the best WR on the team when he wasn't being an idiot. Muhammad was coming off a career year, and actually wasn't that bad after going back to the Panthers. Pace is an old Rams guy.

 

A few more I would like to add in as positives are Fred Miller, the first year, Garza for next to nothing and becoming a starter on the team for years. John St. Claire was great for what he was brought in for, and competent as a starter at times. Adams has been pretty solid at DT considered what he was brougt in for.

 

The Bears do not bring in a lot of free agents, but I think he was pretty good at finding value pick ups.

 

I too want to see fresh faces brought in once everyone is gone, but I think DePaul probably had a decent to above average success rate compared to the rest of the league.

[nfoligno]

As for the timing, I agree that it makes sense. I believe that most of the scouting was already done, and now Angelo will get two opinions on the FAs. JMO

 

I'm sorry, but that still doesn't make sense to me.

 

We wait until he has finished doing to the work, and then fire him? If we want to fire him, doesn't that mean we have less than total confidence in his work? So why keep him through the process?

 

To me, you either fire him two months ago, or you fire him in another month or so after we were into FA.

 

Remember our midnight call to Thomas Jones? If another team wanted him, and then found out he topped our list of FAs, you don't think they would use that to their advantage by making a quick call also w/ a very good offer?

 

 

[nfoligno]

I believe that could be why he was escorted out. That research (or what was written) stays with the team. All of those reports are with the team. Now he might have some info on what the Bears plans or, but I can't think of anyone all that concerned with what a middle of the pack team is going to do in the off-season. And ultimately only one team would benefit.

 

One, documents may have stayed behind, but the knowledge walked with him.

 

Two, you don't think anyone would care how we evaluate the FAs? I mentioned in another post, but remember when we called Thomas Jones at midnight? If another team liked TJ, and knew we were hard after him, you don't think that team could have altered our ability to make the quick strike?

 

Just to throw this out there, but I wonder if agents wouldn't call him. Say the agent for Kampman is curious to know just how the Bears view their client. Oh, the Bears have a top grade on my boy? Okay, price just went up.

 

Three. You say only one team would benefit. Well, I would argue that is one team to many. Make the move two months ago, when you made the other moves, and no team benefits. Make the move a month from now, and no team benefits.

 

The Bears have a shot at getting twice the information and lets be honest, anyone with half a brain could look on the Bears roster and determine our needs.

 

One. You have said that before. We get twice the info. If we fired him, how much do we really value his info? If we do value his info, why did we fire him?

 

Two. Sure, you and I can look at the team and state they need a DE. But can you tell my how they grade Kampman? Where on their board or how in their evaluations does Peppers rank? We may know they have needs at this position or that position, but we don't know how they evaluate the various players at these positions.

 

It has been reported that the Bears brass has not yet identified the players they are going to target anyway and my guess is that is why they made the move when they did (they get his research, yet let him go before he knew too much about the off-season plans).

 

One, I question that our directing of pro scouting would not know who we were looking at two weeks before FA begins.

 

Two, even if we have not make any ultimate decisions, he would know how we have graded out players, and thus have a pretty solid idea who we like and don't like.