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Jul 15 2010, 12:45 PM
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![]() Special Teamer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1,343 Joined: March 13, 2006 From: El Paso, Texas Member No.: 46 |
QUOTE Bears selected BYU RB/FB Harvey Unga in the seventh-round of Thursday's supplemental draft. Coordinator Mike Martz doesn't use a traditional lead blocker, but he appreciates a big back with pass catching ability. We've seen nothing to suggest that Unga will be a better prospect than tweeners such as Brian Leonard or Peyton Hillis, so fantasy owners should temper their enthusiasm for his long-term value. He may end up on the Bears' practice squad after missing an opportunity to learn Martz's complicated scheme in spring workouts. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38265242/ns/...ts-player_news/ |
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Jul 15 2010, 01:05 PM
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![]() 53 man roster ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 830 Joined: December 18, 2007 From: Santiago, Chile Member No.: 2,663 |
I read that he had a solid season with BYU. What did we give up to draft him? How does he fit into the RB mix going into camp? -------------------- ![]() HOZRO |
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Jul 15 2010, 01:16 PM
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Unsigned free agent ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 79 Joined: December 16, 2007 Member No.: 2,656 |
He cost a 7th rounder next year
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Jul 15 2010, 01:57 PM
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Key back up ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 4,796 Joined: December 14, 2007 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 2,651 |
While there was a lot of interest in Unga, I was ticked about our getting him till I saw it cost us only a 7th. That doesn't bother me at all.
Say good bye to Wolf and Bell |
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Jul 15 2010, 01:57 PM
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![]() Camp invitee ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 185 Joined: January 8, 2008 From: Gothenburg, Sweden Member No.: 2,683 |
He fills a niche, since he's 6-1 and 244 pounds.
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Jul 15 2010, 02:19 PM
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Key back up ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 4,796 Joined: December 14, 2007 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 2,651 |
Expect Jason to go ape-$hit when he gets wind of what we just did
I have no issue with the move. We lacked a legit power RB, and this guy may even be able to play FB. He was considered a solid talent, but his stock tanked due to a weak 40 (I think he ran a 4.65/40). That would be awful if he were viewed as a tailback, but as a back expected to pickup short yardage, who cares if he doesn't have good 40 speed. I think Bell and Wolfe are gone, though not before camp. Problem with those two is, they simply do not bring much different to the table from the top two guys. Unga absolutely brings something different to the table. The only knock for me in losing Wolfe is the loss of his special teams play, which was dang good, but we have also added more special teams players, so I think we should continue to be solid going forward. |
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Jul 15 2010, 02:30 PM
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In looking back at the FBs that Martz had in StL, they aren't generally a block first type of player. They were more apt to be more of a running/receiving threat first and a blocker second. I'm not saying that they were incompetent at blocking, I'm just saying it wasn't their primary skill.
I can see him making the roster as the FB and that wouldn't affect Wolfe or Bell. -------------------- It says "Press any key to continue" - Which one is the ANY key ?!?!?!
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Jul 15 2010, 02:38 PM
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![]() Unsigned free agent ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 73 Joined: March 3, 2008 Member No.: 2,701 |
Pumped that the bears got him. As a fullback he will be great. Unlike fullbacks of bears recent past he hits people right in the mouth. I hate BYU but loved watching him flat out run over people. Doesn't waste time trying to juke people he knows he is 250. Love the pick up.
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Jul 15 2010, 03:08 PM
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![]() Special Teamer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1,771 Joined: December 11, 2007 From: Loves Park, Illinois Member No.: 2,584 |
The way I look at it is this guy has better credentials and upside as a prospect than anything we would have been able to select in the 7th round next year. Therefore, it is a no risk pickup. Even if he does not make it, how many 7th rounders do? (I know there are exceptions to that question but the odds are high.)
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Jul 15 2010, 03:09 PM
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Key back up ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 4,796 Joined: December 14, 2007 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 2,651 |
Could still affect Bell/Wolfe in one sense.
Some thought we could simply not keep a FB this year, with the believe Manu (TE) could fill the dual role of TE/FB. If that was to be the case, it would then be possible to keep a 4th RB as you free up a spot w/o a FB. Now, that spot could also go to an extra TE, but just saying, it was possible to be open. Now, if Unga is going to fill the FB spot, either Wolfe or Bell may stick, but not both. I like Wolfe, and love what he brings on special teams, but simply do not really see his value. Sure, he could offer something as a 3rd down type of RB, but on the other hand, I am not sure he would be better on 3rd downs than our top 2 RBs. You don't pull one of them to allow Wolfe a chance. Bell doesn't offer much either, but I would say is better depth if one of the top 2 go down with injury. Bell can more likely handle a greater workload, while Wolfe can't. In looking back at the FBs that Martz had in StL, they aren't generally a block first type of player. They were more apt to be more of a running/receiving threat first and a blocker second. I'm not saying that they were incompetent at blocking, I'm just saying it wasn't their primary skill. I can see him making the roster as the FB and that wouldn't affect Wolfe or Bell. |
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Jul 15 2010, 04:59 PM
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![]() Platoon starter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 5,610 Joined: December 11, 2007 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 2,578 |
If he can be a legit FB, unlike the putz we let go this past off-season, I'll be thrilled!
It a good thing to have a beefy meathead crushing forward either blocking or running! Something tells me Wolfe will somehow remain.... Expect Jason to go ape-$hit when he gets wind of what we just did I have no issue with the move. We lacked a legit power RB, and this guy may even be able to play FB. He was considered a solid talent, but his stock tanked due to a weak 40 (I think he ran a 4.65/40). That would be awful if he were viewed as a tailback, but as a back expected to pickup short yardage, who cares if he doesn't have good 40 speed. I think Bell and Wolfe are gone, though not before camp. Problem with those two is, they simply do not bring much different to the table from the top two guys. Unga absolutely brings something different to the table. The only knock for me in losing Wolfe is the loss of his special teams play, which was dang good, but we have also added more special teams players, so I think we should continue to be solid going forward. -------------------- "THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL YOU, MAKES YOU STRONGER!"
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Jul 15 2010, 05:00 PM
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![]() Platoon starter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 5,610 Joined: December 11, 2007 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 2,578 |
Thanks for the sip of Kool-aid!
I'm high on this pick now! Pumped that the bears got him. As a fullback he will be great. Unlike fullbacks of bears recent past he hits people right in the mouth. I hate BYU but loved watching him flat out run over people. Doesn't waste time trying to juke people he knows he is 250. Love the pick up. -------------------- "THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL YOU, MAKES YOU STRONGER!"
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Jul 15 2010, 06:41 PM
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Special Teamer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 1,636 Joined: December 17, 2007 From: Cutlerville, USA Member No.: 2,660 |
While there was a lot of interest in Unga, I was ticked about our getting him till I saw it cost us only a 7th. That doesn't bother me at all. Say good bye to Wolf and Bell Which is sad...because Wolfe has NEVER been used appropriately, and he'll do more on special teams than Unga. -------------------- A stud OL makes bad players average, average players good, good players great, and great players Hall of Famers.
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Jul 15 2010, 06:46 PM
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Special Teamer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 1,636 Joined: December 17, 2007 From: Cutlerville, USA Member No.: 2,660 |
Could still affect Bell/Wolfe in one sense. Some thought we could simply not keep a FB this year, with the believe Manu (TE) could fill the dual role of TE/FB. If that was to be the case, it would then be possible to keep a 4th RB as you free up a spot w/o a FB. Now, that spot could also go to an extra TE, but just saying, it was possible to be open. Now, if Unga is going to fill the FB spot, either Wolfe or Bell may stick, but not both. I like Wolfe, and love what he brings on special teams, but simply do not really see his value. Sure, he could offer something as a 3rd down type of RB, but on the other hand, I am not sure he would be better on 3rd downs than our top 2 RBs. You don't pull one of them to allow Wolfe a chance. Bell doesn't offer much either, but I would say is better depth if one of the top 2 go down with injury. Bell can more likely handle a greater workload, while Wolfe can't. Sadly, this can never be proven either way. But I don't see why you automatically assume Wolfe can't handle the workload. It's not like little RBs before haven't been able to do it. He's every bit the size of Darren Sproles, and 20 pounds stockier than Warrick Dunn. It's a BS presumption on something we've never seen. And, you called it right, I'm irritated if the pick up of a FB who didn't get drafted, and most likely won't see much playing time in the Mike Martz system, ends up costing the Bears a unique talent that has been incredibly underused and does nothing but bust his ass on special teams. -------------------- A stud OL makes bad players average, average players good, good players great, and great players Hall of Famers.
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Jul 15 2010, 07:20 PM
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![]() 53 man roster ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 830 Joined: December 18, 2007 From: Santiago, Chile Member No.: 2,663 |
Which is sad...because Wolfe has NEVER been used appropriately, and he'll do more on special teams than Unga. Wolfe's ST play may save him. Be nice to see if Martz can manage to get some use out of him. -------------------- ![]() HOZRO |
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Jul 15 2010, 07:29 PM
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![]() Special Teamer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1,343 Joined: March 13, 2006 From: El Paso, Texas Member No.: 46 |
A vid of Unga:
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Jul 15 2010, 08:53 PM
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![]() Special Teamer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 1,633 Joined: December 11, 2007 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 2,601 |
I see a bit more top end speed than a 4.65 forty would indicate. He has good vision and good balance, enough to make one cut and go. I could see him as a RB for us but IMO he's more of a FB. In the FB role I really like him, as long as he can hit people. I think grabbing him with a 7th RD pick was a good move but his presence puts pressure not only on Wolfe and Bell but also on the TEs and FBs. I say TEs because awhile back there was a lot of talk about keeping 4 TEs with no FB and Manu filling in as our HB/FB. If Unga fills the FB role then it could mean we lose Dez Clark or Davis. Overall it's good we have added a player who is unique on the roster in his size/ability and our coaches have a lot of ways to get the best players on the roster and on the field.
I tend to think Wolfe has an advantage on the competition because of his special teams play but that all has to play out too. Other guys like Josh Moore, Iglesias, etc. fighting for playing time he might end up expendable there too. Do we keep Unga as RB or FB? Or practice squad? Let the competition begin! |
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Jul 15 2010, 08:58 PM
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![]() Special Teamer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 1,771 Joined: December 11, 2007 From: Loves Park, Illinois Member No.: 2,584 |
My impressions from the video:
He looks faster than 4.6 He looks smaller than 240+ He looks like he needs a good deal of work in the weight room He showed some good moves in the open field He had quite a few runs around the corner which I did not expect I don't know, some mixed emotions on my part as I was looking for a old style smash mouth fullback which I did not see on the film but may well be worth a gamble for a 7th round pick Even if he gets cut, no big deal -------------------- ![]() |
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Jul 15 2010, 10:34 PM
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Special Teamer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 1,368 Joined: December 12, 2007 From: Illinois Member No.: 2,630 |
Why is it assumed Unga makes the team??? I personally assume that anybody we draft in the 7th round is headed for the practice squad.
Not to mention a 7th round RB who is built and runs like a fullback. The blocking requires a great deal of physical & mental maturation . . . he'll need to develop. Who was the last 7th round gem we drafted? I did like Trumaine McBride . . . If Wolfe doesn't make the team it's not because of Unga. -------------------- |
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Jul 16 2010, 10:09 AM
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Key back up ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Super Fans Posts: 4,796 Joined: December 14, 2007 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 2,651 |
Going to start where you ended. As we made the choice to take him, would you not agree Martz was part of that decision? If that is the case, (a) I question why you say he would not even see much playing time and (
Back to Wolfe specific, He is not built like Sproles. Just because they have the similar height/weight does not mean they are the same. Several of our coaches have specifically said he is NOT built like Sproles. Very different lower body structure. With that said, is it absolute Wolfe can't be a high level of workload. No, it isn't absolute, but come on. Sure, you can go through and pick out a name or two to show it is possible, but you are talking about the exceptions, not the rule. Sure, Wolfe could be another exception, but they are very rare and I just don't understand why you "expect" him to be the exception. Let me ask you this. As it stands now, when does Wolfe play? Lets assume for just a moment that we have the Forte we saw his rookie year, and Taylor basically lives up to expectation. When do you play Wolfe in favor of one of these two? Both are excellent receiving RBs, and far superior blockers to Wolfe, and thus I would not pull them for Wolfe on 3rd downs. Frankly, I can't really think of any down I would want to pull either in favor of Wolfe. Sure, Wolfe may have a bit more speed, but he isn't an all-purpose back, and thus he would either tip the play or be a liability. In Unga, we have added a power runner, which is frankly something we lacked. Forte runs too upright, even as a rookie when he ran well, to be considered a power guy, and while Taylor is an upgrade in that regard, he is not a power runner either. So often we have struggled to pickup those tough yards, and we may now have a runner capable of doing this. So in Unga, I see a player who adds something different to what we currently have, while with Wolfe, I see little that he brings to the table, with the exception of special teams, which is significant, but may not be enough. Sadly, this can never be proven either way. But I don't see why you automatically assume Wolfe can't handle the workload. It's not like little RBs before haven't been able to do it. He's every bit the size of Darren Sproles, and 20 pounds stockier than Warrick Dunn. It's a BS presumption on something we've never seen. And, you called it right, I'm irritated if the pick up of a FB who didn't get drafted, and most likely won't see much playing time in the Mike Martz system, ends up costing the Bears a unique talent that has been incredibly underused and does nothing but bust his ass on special teams. |
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