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this all makes sense - and its how I see it too. If Amagadje dominates, then I have no reason to want Trapilo - Im not a fan of one or the other, I just want the best guy in there. And of course, taking into account that this is Braxton's last year on his rookie deal, and while he's given us a lot for a 5th rounder, he is not that good as a LT. "good for a 5th rounder" and "good for the NFL" are not the same thing!

Sure is leaning that way but I'm not completely out on Amegadjie once the game reps start. Biggest takeaway here is that Braxton is out of the competition. Maybe there is a sudden turn of events but at this point I'd say they want Jones to get consistency with the 2nd string in advance of the preseason games so he can showcase his skills for the trade market.

yup - it looks like if Trapilo can show against Miami, he will get the job.

Ozzy took all first team reps at LT today. Amegadjie is injured and didn’t practice. All of Jones reps were with 2nd and 3rd string.

this all makes sense. And just so Im clear to everyone - I would NOT trade three firsts for the guy. So if the trade price is too high, then i think we will and should pass. But I also agree with you 100% that he is a true stud, and if we can afford the trade, then he is absolutely worth the cap space, especially with Caleb on his rookie deal. Stinger earlier suggested that you dont monkey with Jaylon Johnson to get Parsons because JJ's contract is aligned with Calebs. That makes no sense because: 1) JJ already wants a new deal and is probably a hold out next year to get one, so alignment is off anyway 2) the whole POINT of the advantage of having a rookie QB is that you can afford these kind of deals for a pass rusher. Maybe someone will make the case that JJ is just that good that you cant lose him - thats not a bad argument at all, but the ones that have already been offered make no sense? If we pick an edge int he first round next year, they will almost certainly never be as good as Parsons already is. Parsons is easily worth more than a 1st round pick right now. But Dallas is going to want a haul, and that's not a great move for us. But if we can add in players and make this deal, we should.

Ha, I just did. I guess we see his fit different but I don't watch Dallas close.

Taking a player like Parsons means changing the scheme from a 4-3 to 3-4. Parsons is great player that would be awesome to have, but then you have the rest of the D that may not fit. Would Parsons fit a 4-3 and be as effective? He would be small at 6-3 245. But Austin Booker was 6'6 245, so maybe. Sweat is 6'6 260, dayo is 6'5 280, Sherman Turner 6-3 290. He would probably become the weak spot for teams to attack with the run. Parsons is a special player but the cap cost, draft cost, and the change of scheme seems too much to risk. If we have to add the pass rush now, offer the deal for a Myles Garrett type.

Micah Parsons is a problem to be dealt with. He could easily fit any scheme. Dallas lined him up as a DE on passing downs. They also played him at OLB. They called it the Joker role. I've seen instances where they played him at 3Tech on a run down and the OG and center both wiffed. He's a top tier athlete with instinct, elite quickness and top end speed. I said my piece about building Superbowl teams and I'll stick to it. I'm just not going to stand by and listen to he is not a scheme fit or would be a situational player. That's simply nonsense. Dude is a stud.

depending on how stuck Dallas is. If Parsons is going to hold out Dallas doesnt want all the cap space going to waste. This HAS happened before you know. I mean, if you watch the NFL at all?

Its not even clear that Turner is going to play DE. But even if he does, turning our collective nose up at one of the best edge players int he league, who is only 26 is weird! If the trade cost is too much, then i get it. We wont make the trade. But if we can get him, we shouldnt say "we dont need him we have Dayo and Sweat" thats crazy

sorry if I misspoke, but yes he is one of the best edge rushers in the game. His pressure rate is 20% - that means he gets pressure in 1 out of 5 snaps. Every team needs a guy like that. you guys are nuts. if the trade value is too high, then so be it - but you act like you dont want him. Thats insane. Stinger, just imagine he is already a Bear and then you will defend the hell put of him.

This is it and I believe we have our DEs for now. (Sweat,Dayo, and Booker,Turner) When they go to a Nascar package, I wouldn't be shocked to see Edmunds step up and play that situational pass rusher to add juice.

goopd point, doesnt fit the scheme.

He's not one of the games best defensive ends. He's one of the best pass rushers and other than that he's an off-ball LB. If he is at DE on run downs he either gets around a block or he's walked backwards but he isn't setting an edge like you see with Montez Sweat. If this were for Myles Garrett go ahead and break the draft and the bank. I don't want $50mil and all that draft capital tied up on a situational pass rusher regardless of how good he is. It can be our top priority next draft, even drafting two of them if we want.

I would prefer Jared Verse over Rome.

Poles came here in 2022 and thanks to Ryan Pace we had no first round pick, clearly the best round to draft a supreme edge rusher. Poles made a trade and got 4 first round picks in 23, 24 25 . Darrnel Wright (OL), Caleb and Rome, Loveland. He clearly is building offense which is the direction the NFL has been going to in the last 10 yrs. You only have so many picks and had we prioritized edge, we wont have any one of those 4 picks. Its the path he choose to take, and who did you want instead of those 4 players? It would be hard to say he has ignored defense with Gordon, Brisker, Stevenson, Dexter, Shemar Turner with high picks. If he has us to a point to be a winning team for the next 3 yrs, did he do it wrong?

So in conclusion this is just FF and this trade would never happen.

right. thats what im saying. Ofcourse he would never be a free agent, but i was just saying thing to make the point that it isnt the cap space thats the problem, its the trade value i think will prevent us from getting him. Like if they want 2 firsts, a second and Montez Sweat - Im feeling like that second first rounder is too steep. but if we could interest them in a player or two to get some draft capital out of the deal, then it becomes interesting. Thats why i was throwing out trading guys like Jaylon Johnson - hes a big stud (or so it's currently thought) he gets the new deal he wants. I mean i really like JJ as a player. But if hes gonna be the top payed CB in the league, Id rather be paying a top edge rusher like Parsons or Hendrickson. Especially when we have so much depth in the DB room. Is someone ready to be a real #1 if we lose JJ - well were getting a good look at them in camp with JJ out, and you can bet Ryan Poles is thinking the same thing "can someone in this group replace JJ eventually?" and "all DBs look better with a good pass rush in front of them" Dont forget, next year you can look at Edmunds cap $ too. There is definitely opportunity to move cap money around in the defense. But Im not paying two firsts, a second and a player. That seems too high. But it's probably the price, and we will probably not make that deal. This is just what the numbers say to me.

Yeah - he’ll never hit free agency with franchise tag etc but my problem is the combination of draft capital combined with cap space. If it was purely cap space cause you are getting him as a UFA - back up the truck and pay the man.

this is the general wisdom. I agree. and when you look at a team like the Eagles, they keep going back to the DL. But we've drafted nothing on the edge for a decade, Maybe you can count Shemar Turner as an edge player? So it's pretty clear that next year, we're gonna take an edge with our first round pick. Parsons is 26, and coming into his prime years. I don't mind paying a guy like that what he's worth while Caleb is on his rookie deal. Anyway, we will probably all agree that the trade price is too high, so its not so likely to happen. Im just saying it's the draft capital that makes it tough for me, not the cap space. Check this out: as a franchise we havent drafted Edge Rushers much at all. 2025 2nd Rnd Shemar Turner 2024 5th Austin Booker 2023 None 2022 5th Dom Rob 2021 None 2020 5th Trevis Gipson 2019 None 2018 6th Kylie Fitts 2017 None 2016 1st Leonard Floyd 2015 None 2014 None

💯 The Superbowl teams don't buy edge rushers anymore. The days of getting a Charles Haley or Reggie White are over. Pay the offense, draft the defense.

We need to see them play then we eliminate the guessing and assuptions. Poles built the team over the last 3 yrs, having a starter at LT allowing him to get a QB, WRs, RT, CBs. Because of a low payout at LT, he was able to sign OL and DL. It absoutley was a win win.

Its about the money it would cost, you can make lots of arguments about the talent, but it disrupts the next 3 yrs of contracts he set up to come due when Caleb is ready for a contract. It just doesnt work out.

Well you need a QB that is 100% for sure. But you need a pass rush too. We didnt have a QB when we got those DEs. And I agree, I am totally against trading 2 first rounders and more - I think we need to build through the draft. That's why I suggested trading players. Trading a single first rounder is a no brainer because we are going to likely use that pick on an edge player anyway. So if your #1 pick is a proven NFL star, that's a win for sure. It would be the additional #1s that i object to. But if JJ isnt in your long term plans, adding him to the trade makes sense, and he is worth a #1 pick+ too.