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The "Vanilla Guerrilla"! Got to love it!! Peace

Best to move on now if you feel he doesn't have it. Peace

This 100%. Peace

I was at the game. Last game of the season against Jacksonville. Taylor returned the ball from about the 20 to the 8 on the other end of the field. Near the end, he was looking for someone to hand it off to. It as a great moment. Peace

That is Artificial Intelligence, not a person.

Never heard of this guy before but has some interesting points.

Couldnt find the stadium information thread so I'll stick this here. This video gave me some information about the stadium I didnt know. The state wants the Bears to pay between 100 mil to 200 mil a year in property taxes.. The highest taxes of any NFL stadium at this time is 9 mil a year in Los Angeles. (Expected) I now understand why the Bears are having a hard time dealing with the State government.

poles said, and i quote the article.... "may not even be ready to contribute on offense in Year 1". nobody is talking about starting over dunze or burden, although that SHOULD be in the equation for a THIRD ROUND pick, but not ready to contribute in year one? that is the mindset of the GM who drafted this player in this round? unless your roster is absolutely set with starters, any GM who drafts a player on day 2 should EXPECT this player to be ready to start games by mid season or used in a rotation, not "contribute" two or three years down the line. not "ready to contribute on offense" is where 4th round and lower players are picked and especially if that player is predicated for special teams. by any standard that is an abysmal pick.

A lot of smoke for a kid that wasnt drafted or signed initially as an udfa. He might pick up the plays faster, but dont think the 3rd rounder is not smart, watch his tape. They had him doing a lot at LSU. He will be like Burton coming on late. When he clicks, the Bears have pieces to exploit any defense.

He’s not going to start over Rome nor Burden. Why would you expect that? He’s going to learn the role of the guy we signed to a 1 year contract. I know this feels odd but we’re getting the kind of depth good teams have. I’ll add that this guy is a much better route runner and hands catcher than he’s being given credit for. It won’t take him too long to show up on the field. The fact he can return kicks and punts means he’ll be active on game days so it’s easy for Ben to fit him in early on a small set of plays early on and then expand the role each week. This guy is also impossible to cover on scramble scenarios because route combinations and play structure go out the window. That affects aDB far more than a WR. Caleb will take advantage of that.

Usually all you get out of rookie minicamp are comments about players physical traits. To see and hear Dennis Allen and media members already talking about how well Thieneman is processing things on the field is great news.

I think Turner was mainly a DE and his last year, they had him put on 15 lbs to play DT. They are going to see what they got and if need be , bring someone in. Last year's Seahawks had two of their top sacker were LBers. One DE and one DT.

and I believe due to need he may well play outside this year, but Poles still hasnt really drafted DEs and I think its a problem, and so much of a problem that I think we agree that its a likely spot for our #1 pick next year? or a veteran yet to be added this year?

Sounds like DA wanted Dillion quite a bit.

Its just BJ getting another log the for fire. If the young wood isnt dry enough to burn, he brings in some aged wood to burn. Common denominator (speed)

Turner was announced by the bears after the draft as being versatile defensive lineman for playing across the line. Id rather see him as a 3T for his size, but they played him outside when shorthanded and thats were they need him now...since they didnt add any. .

Pix, youre right there were injuries too. But another way that can be interpreted is that Johnson was OK taking rookies that wouldnt be ready to start too, so theyd have time to adjust. I do know he has said that players start once he trusts them, so i do think that there is some period of time where some rookies need to get up to speed? Maybe this is true on Offense and not Defense as well, because i expect Thienemen to start opening day. We will also see whether Logan Jones takes the job away right off the bat, or if it takes half the season? He will have Thuney next to him to help with the calls if necessary. I can remember some teams starting rookie Centers who let an OG make the protection calls at first. Didnt we do that one year? That would get Jones out there more quickly I think? Also Jones is an older player and has already played in 51 games in college. But in any case, I dont see Roush having a full role opening day, or Zavion Walker at WR either, for example? And yes, I hope we stay healthy too!

Turner was drafted as a DT tho. In the 5 years Poles has been GM, we have drafted only TWO DEs; Booker and Dominique Robinson - both in the FIFTH round. In that same time he has drafted two punters, one in the fourth round. Crazy!

I think they believe they added to the DE with drafting Booker, signing Dayo, and then drafting Turner. Booker has shown flashes, Turner hasnt had much opportunity, and according to Dennis Allen, Dayo was starting to come along when he got hurt. But first round prospect, no. They should've taken Verse instead of Odunze bc they wont be in position to get a top 10 prospect for a while.

Not so sure about your assumption. If I remember correctly, Loveland was recovering from shoulder surgery and could not fully participate in preseason camps, making it difficult to learn what is described as a difficult system to master. Burden also lagged behind in learning the system because of a preseason injury. Time lost in preseason camps is difficult to make up for during the season. I'm guessing both would have been far more active starting game one if not for their lack of preseason prep. I pray our team can stay healthy this year.

i think Ben Johnson generally doesnt start rookies at first, and then phases them in over the season, like he did last year for Monangai, Loveland and Burden?

well I cant even imagine how they can escape addressing the DE position next year, and they will have the cap flexibility to do it, so you HAVE to be right! But at the same time, Its crazy we havent acquired one (or several) in the draft in such a LONG time. I think the window for Caleb is NOW and strategically putting off a pass rush until next year is a poor decision. I have hope there is still a free agent signing coming, but I dunno. It's crazy to put DE last, but they HAVE been building an excellent roster everywhere else, and I m sure youre right, in time we will have a pass rush, but if we had one this year, we'd be Superbowl bound. Maybe we still are, but we'd be heavily in the mix this year if we had one.

Ive see at least 2-3 DEs that would Allen's fits next draft. I can see that with Sweat, Dayo, Booker, and Turner that the edge room has investment in it, more competition would have been nice, so I'll give them a year. DT, they decided 3 FAs and a 6th rd is good, we will see. Those have to be addressed soon with higher ceiling talent.