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First of all, I responded to Adam and he equally goes both sides. ( Observation) To say someone is pessimistic or optimistic doesn't mean 100% it could be 60-40 to one side or the other. If a therapist was looking at our board they could easily say a person leans one way or the other. It's not a defined statement. It can change according to things going on in your life. It's just an observation. Example Jason learns half empty and he makes note of it himself. No one would ever mistake me as a pessimist.

I think when they talked about who to draft Johnson is in on the conversation and it's a consensus pick. If something fails, he Was part of it.

It could come down to they liked Trapilo better. After they commit to trading down, it's the board that determines the next choice.

I think Warren interfered

suddenly it ALL makes sense now. Its part of the conspiracy to keep Shadeur Sanders out of the league LOL Velus Jones was a plant.

Did you hear about Flus? He didn't call a timeout on Thanksgiving so the world would see. He was trying to help Cunningham too.

hahaha oooh thats a good one! Quite the conspiracy! And when the FBI came and got our defensive coordinator last year? Cunningham framed him because he was a big Poles supporter. FIelds knew, and had to be silenced. LOL Davis was so mad about it he decided not to give his all.

I agree with all of that. I guess Im less concerned with the HB itself, as wondering if Poles estimated poorly in picking his trade down targets. The players we DID get are all good picks. I'm happy with them. But Id trade anyone or most of the guys we got in the 4th and later (starting with the LBer) if it meant Ersery instead of Trapilo and it meant moving up a little in the 4th and adding Skatebo. No draft is perfect. Im just trying to do the post mortem to see how we did I guess. I think Poles may have gotten outmaneuvered a couple times.

RB is one of the easiest positions to find a good player. I rather like the backup OG we got late in the draft and the CB, and the RB. I'd have been equally happy with Skatebo too. It's kind of a wash for me either way. Regardless I'm not that concerned about finding a RB this year or next as long as our Oline is doing it's job.

You might be on to something. Cunningham turned down the Jax and Tenn jobs because he knows he can get Poles fired and take over.

those comeback videos are impressive for sure.

If I'm banking on one I'll take the guy with an elite work ethic.. Chubb.

exactly. It's a tightrope walk. And he did do his due diligence in trying to trade up for Henderson apparently, and he didnt overpay which is also good. Here's a joke for Stinger (I'm making fun of myself): I want Cunningham fired! He is clearly holding Poles back from being more active in draft day trade ups! We could have had Ersery and KJ! Let Poles work! Fire Cunningham! LOL

unless the way the board fell, they were unable to get any of the HBs at various tiers. If that had been their plan and they failed, then it doesnt necessarily say what they think of Swift? I did hear they were trying to trade up for Henderson at one point but the price was too steep. Who knows? I just think based on my own feelings that Swift isn't up to the standard of the most of the parts of this roster. And i think that Johnson traded him in Detroit whn he was even younger than he is now. So my gut call is they would like to replace him. And the way things went, maybe that wont really completely be until next year? Hes not terrible. Hes a decent back. Certainly top 20. But not a gamechanger like the running game weve seen in Detroit under Johnson for example.

I think we intended to get one of the big name HBs in the draft, an failed. I read that Poles tried to trade UP for Henderson, but the price was too high. Then with the trade downs, I think they fell too deep, into areas where the value would be good, but that also exposes you because then the trade up to steal them in front of you isn't too expensive either. Take the same player in a slightly richer neighborhood, and the threat of trade ups is less, because the cost to do that is more? I dunno what the price for Henderson was, but if it was too much, then so be it. I dont want to overpay. But it seems they were a little too confident that there would be enough HBs around to get one at value while dropping down, and instead they kept going just in front of us, and now we are talking about a one year free agent. It's an example of the old haul argument. And it might turn out great. Burden, Trapilo, Turner might all be great for us, and maximized our draft value. But don't we all wish they'd managed to move up a little in the 4th to get Skatebo too instead of whoever we got in the 5ths and 6th etc?

Poles read your comments last year about wanting to trade up for Odunze and held his composure this year.

Phoenix was responding to me. I was giving my thoughts on how the Bears draft room was right before Henderson was taken. How Poles would get excited that he and Burden were still on the board and how they should draft if they both remain when pick 39 comes up

That's why I think Poles may have not done as well on draft day by being too disciplined and staying with the value plan, and trading too low, and then not being able to recover. Or maybe that's the plan?

I listened to a podcast tonight, I think Joniak amd Thayers. Whoever it was mentioned how Johnson likes a lot of RBs in camp. Detroit had 7 last year. Monangai and Wheeler could be the next Pacheou, but it's unknown. I don't see them going into camp with only Swift and Johnson as their main carriers, so I expect them to sign another decent option and maybe another flyer on a ps type.

If they don’t think highly of Swift they wouldn’t have done what they did this offseason and in the draft. Unless we are about to see a trade.

Sound alike there may have been attempts to trade up to take Henderson and Skattebo. https://bearswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bears/2025/04/29/bears-treveyon-henderson-draft-trade-rumors/83347231007/

They have made it clear - they want depth and people to battle. Backs in general get hurt and you want to balance workloads in camp. They will carry 4 but they should have 6 at start of camp and I don’t really count our special teams back. So really we have 3 real running backs on roster and that is counting a 7th round pick (one I like but a high percentage of 7th rounders are out of football asap)

and not every person is stuck in one way of thinking or the other. Youre attempting to frame all our opinions as not free thinking, but predetermined by a generalized optimistic or pessimistic personality. i think thats not only logically WAY overreaching, but dismissive of our opinions as well. Why not just take each point as it comes without fitting it into some grand scheme saying it comes from a personality type instead of it just being someones opinion about that topic?

actually it doesnt mean that at all. What I was saying is that i dont KNOW if Poles did well in the draft or poorly. I was laying out scenarios based on info i dont have: 1) Poles did well, everyone is happy 2) Poles didnt do well, Johnson would know even if we dont, and act accordingly I was saying that it would be self correcting, even if we dont have the info. And when i say did well or poorly, I dont mean how the players pan out - youre right that takes a couple years - i meant according to their plan going in to it. Johnson will know whether Poles estimated correctly, or traded too far down and got hoodwinked a couple times. i can guess at that, but i dont know. So i was saying Johnson does know, and if Poles had a bad draft according to their charts, then they will know what to do about it. I have mixed feelings about Poles myself. Some things i think he does well, others not so well, and my read of him as insecure, doesnt really matter to the job anymore now that Johnson and Co are here to lead. Back in Flus days i felt we needed more leadership, and Poles couldnt provide it. Now he doesnt need to and it isnt part of his job. Overall, Poles has done a great job in this offseason, i just think he MIGHT have let the board slip away from him in the later rounds. But I dont know that. I was just saying Johnson does. Because he was inside for all the planning, so he has a perfect vantage point to judge how Poles did in the draft, after round 1, and the juice to do something about it *IF* necessary.

At the time, yes. But Im sure Johnson has his own ideas about Swift, positive or negative i dunno, so based on that his role could change.