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What ever you want to call it, he is under the original deal when we first obtained him. He was a rookie when he signed it so I called it a rookie contract, I dont know of more technical names.

Bagent signed a 3-year UDFA deal, so technically, he is not on a typical 4 or 5-year rookie deal. This is the last year of that deal.

Tyson Bagent is still on his rookie contract, I think they like him so not sure they would put him on the PS. Clearly Keenum was brought in to help mentor Caleb and may end up on the 53 man roster. I think every rookie makes the 53. They will play with the roster to guess who can be put on the PS to make sure they dont lose him.

Did you ever thing they didnt value Ersery as high as you did? If they valued him, they would have taken him. You think they moved back thinking they could still get him. Maybe they liked Trapilo more. The first four picks by their reactions, told me they wanted them, not settled for someone else. That is the reason they traded back. They also may not have seen RB as that critical of a need. That is what pundits projected. We assume a lot of what they thought, wanted, and did. Its not any different than thinking they would have took Banks. Poles has no problem moving arouind to get players, moving a couple spots to get Banks was doable if that mattered. Im saying that wasnt their plan. In the war room video, at 9.47 BJ tells Colston, he played the highlight video before the draft to give the rest of the room a little insight on where they would go. That sounds like they intented to take him. Also At 9.10 Jeff King says that the more they watched film the more that knew Colston was the pick for them. If I could see the Jeff King conversation, then I would understand your points. I have extensively looked and cant find it. Lots of tape of CC talking about the draft and who they liked, but I think more her opinion than repeating what Jeff King said. I know he had a press conference its just about how he worded statements.

I actually think they KIND OF can, and that we did a good job of that. We targeted tradedowns, and the teams that took the players before us traded up into those spots, and that's where we were potentially a little too greedy? So we might have correctly predicted the teams on the board, but not considered people trading ahead of us.

right, Im talking about the tradedowns after that. 3rd round and later. I would have taken Ersery at 41, but if Trapilo works out, then that trade down was fantastic, and Turner (is that who you meant instead of Stewart?) is going to be great for us. So that trade down worked out OK *IF* Trapilo is good. And of course Ersery was on my radar and Trapilo wasnt, so it was a surpise for me, but Im willing to say that was a good trade. Im talking about after that, when we let HBs go, traded down, and then saw them stolen right before we picked - I think that happened twice? Like we were going down our HB list, and kept getting played. The question was more like KJ or Sketebo vs Rah the CB and someone else from the 5th round.

that all makes sense. i think they Bears might toy with the idea of converting him to a coach if circumstances force it, like an injury like you say, or a good crop of developing young players.

Right, we got these two quality hogs for pick 41 and 72. If we didn't trade, sure we could have drafted Kaleb Johnson, who I was all for. I think after Henderson was gone, Poles wasn't too worried about the rest of the backs and figured he would get a guy before it was over. He also could buy a vet FA if they missed out. There is no way any GM can calculate what 31 other teams need and where they rate players. The Bears brass seem happy and get to add at least 7 more guys next draft.

The only way a PS guy gets poached is if he is signed to another team's 53-man roster, so that process would only be indirectly impacted by keeping Keenum on the 53-man. So if Keenum was on the roster last year, he would've replaced Blasingame or Velus based on usage. Blasingame = 10 snaps + 25 ST snaps Jones Jr. = 4 snaps + 12 ST snaps If he makes it this year, he would either replace RB5 or WR6 Right now that is Scott or Toure as WR6 or the loser of Monangai or Wheeler as RB5. If Monangai loses out, he is a PS Candidate anyway. It doesn't seem like Keenum would negatively impact the game day rosters. I am sure injuries will drive this decision. He is a nice luxury until a key starter goes down and they need the depth at a different position.

I absolutely would take Trapilo and Stewart over either of those guys.

true. the 3rd emergency QB doesnt count against the gameday 47 or 48 or whatever that number is. But if that costs us one of our drafted guys getting poached off of the practice squad, then all the more reason to have taken a HB earlier and not trade down?

Im talking about in the 3rd round and later - our trade backs. There was an interview with Jeff King, which i cant find now, where he acknowledged that they were hoping for other HBs earlier; Kaleb Johnson, Cam Sketbo and one other guy I forget. There have also been a ton of articles suspecting the same. It seems like, more than once, we targeted a HB and traded back only to have someone pop up in front of us and take one of those HBs within a few picks of our new traded back picks. From all of this, I conclude that Pace read the board as afar as who needed what, and maximized value by trading back, but failed to calculate other teams trading in front of us to snag that HB. Also, just logically, would you rather have Kaleb Johnson or Cam Skatebo vs. our extra later picks that we got in those tradedowns?

It could happen, but with the emergency QB thing, it wouldn't impact the game day roster as all. As for the 53-man, the bottom 3-5 guys come up and down from the PS anyway, so having one fewer guy do that to have a 3rd QB (if he is that important) seems like a no brainer.

How do you know he misread the board, let alone multiple times? The running backs didn't pop off crazy, but the OL sure did.

Here's an interesting idea. Im not saying it will happen, but it has occurred to me. Given these facts: Case Keenum has said in interviews that he had planned to retire before this offseason, and then he met with Ben Johnson, and that turned him around. Keenum's primary role on this team is to mentor Caleb. We just paid Tyson Bagent, extending his contract. Roster spots are precious. Is it possible that Keenum will transition from player to coach when we cut down the roster? I could see him as Caleb's mentor, and he doesnt need to be a player to do that. Just thinking about stuff. Not saying i know it will happen, but it does fit the facts, and open a roster spot on the 53?

Yes, I am talking about the HBs. In multiple cases, we could have taken a HB we coveted, but instead traded down, betting they would still be there, and in each case, they miscalculated. I've also said that if Trapilo starts and does well, and Monangai is a good contributor, then it all ended well anyway. That's true. But it doesn't change that Poles also misread the board multiple times. If you have 30 lottery tickets, and you trade them for 1 lottery ticket, that is a mistake, EVEN IF the one you got turns out to be the winner in the end. Unless you had some inside info that your ticket had a batter chance to win, it was a mistake. The conversation with Jeff King was about missing on HBs. So unless we had Monongai rated higher than Kaleb Johnson, Cam Skatebo, and there was one other I'm forgetting, it was a series of mistakes. And that doesnt mean that the players we DID get wont be good. We could have done a great job of identifying late round talent, and having a board deep enough to withstand these mistakes too. We could have a great board, and misplayed draft day, both. But if I'm gonna praise Poles for drafting Odunze, for example, then I can criticize him for misjudging how far he could trade down to get HBs too.

I think DA blitzes alot and does a lot of line stunts. Im not saying we are going to have low points scored against us but will produce more TOs and big plays.

Since the Bears are not telling everything decision making in this draft , no one is right or wrong. I assume your talking about Ersery or a RB. They could have liked Ozzy more than Ersery but we will never know. Teams value players differently depending on how they think a player will fit their team. Everyone can be right because we will never know. I will say, Kyle Monongai was not their first, second or even 3rd choice for a RB. I still think he will ball out and none of it matters.

This was all understandable. The Bears failed every QB that I can remember in the last 35 years or more. Any QB with talent can look at the Bears and think exactly like Caleb. He talked to his dad about the Bears and his dad took the steps it takes to go to war for his kid. The step that they took speaking to espn writer Seth Wickersham about possibly dropping the "nuke" was necessary for their plan, but it also brought the repercussions we have today as Seth looks to cash in on the details he was given. If Caleb survives this, it will be a miracle. When I say this, I mean coming to Chicago and not his predraft/book concerns. They nearly ruined him his rookie season, but have since taken the necessary steps to give him a chance to succeed. My assumption is Warren and Poles went to ownership and told them how it will go from here on out if they ever want to see daylight from the bottom of the nfl dumpster again. They have non disclosures in their contracts, so there wouldn't be a book but they need to assure the league that the McCaskeys have no say on who they hire, sign, or draft. If this is the case, Warren and Poles deserve recognition.

again, most of what im talking about is the trade downs, and whether we got the player we expected to get when we made the trade. i think we didnt, and so we miscalculated in our trade downs throughout the draft. And I think that's a problem. Its OK to see positive and negative things in your team.

I think when there is a negative media story, and you want to get ahead of it, you WANT that hard question, because it gives you the chance to say your side of it? From the reporter's point of view, he's hoping Caleb says something definitive, so he can write his story with quotes "I am my own man, my dad doesnt speak for me" etc It's like when reporters ask "how did it feel scoring the winning TD?" It's not because the reporter is wondering whether the player was sad or happy lol everyone knows the player is thrilled - it's to generate a quote for the article "Winning means everything to me" or whatever. AZ54 - completely agree with your take on it.

Agreed. He even said he has to put his dad in check from time to time. I liked it. Now, time for Caleb to remove umm from his vocabulary.

Yes if that grown man’s father is running around publishing books about what his son should be doing in his professional career. I’d ask that question if I were there. Is he the face of the franchise or a puppet with his father making the decisions behind the scenes This was actually the best question for Caleb because it gave him the opportunity to distance himself from his fathers opinions and tell everyone that he is in fact making the decisions. I think he answered it very well and came out looking like the owner of his decisions and his career. Plus he did it in a way without alienating or embarrassing his father and their relationship. now I think his teammates and coaches can trust him more that what he says is what he means and there won’t be some other backstory that comes out later.

I guess if I was part of Media,I would jump at anything to write about