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Ian for sure, but i remember Warren also saying "see, it was just like we said" I think they are a really good team, the three of them. But for sure Ian Cunningham's input is invaluable.

I dunno. I think from the 1920 Bears Drive show they wanted Odunze the whole time, and were looking to trade up with the Giants for him. And I was arguing that an OT was on the table too, but from their own mouths, they had Odunze as their #2 player!

fair point. If Poles knew he was getting Odunze in the draft for sure, he probably wouldnt have signed Allen, but he had to make that decision first, and he had to be sure Caleb had targets. You also have to factor in whether Poles thinks any OL free agents were studs far above who we signed. But in the abstract, yes, the OL is a bigger problem than having a 3rd great WR, and if you could trade Allen straight up for a stronger OL right now, youd do it. But the point remains that the OL sounds like it may be a problem, and that isnt good at all.

well said. That's how I see it too. Glennon was a short term move. The $ looks big, but we had it to spend that year. The real problem was the long term plan. And Poles has Claypool too. And Velus Jones Jr. But once he got situated, and was making more long term moves, he seems to be making a lot of good choices. He still needs to fix the OL tho it seems.

he paid what the market would bear. Im not saying Pace was good at his job, but i dont think he made the mistake youre saying he made. Other teams were interested and the price was what it was - short term to fill in until the rookie was ready. Also Glennon was coming off of his rookie deal, so this was his second contract, which is always a lot bigger if someone thinks he is a starter. I just think people misunderstand what the Glennon strategy was. He was never going to be our long term starter, and a stop gap QB still costs a fortune if they are coming off a rookie deal and this is their first chance to test the market. Was Glennon good? Nope. He wasnt. We agree about that. Was he worth the money long term? No again, we also agree, but was he worth the money for a short term until the rookie was ready? That was the move.

I think Mike Glennon was a matter of wanting a vet QB until the rookie was ready, and the price for a vet QB is just high. I dont think they thought Glennon was the future or anything, which is why it was a shorter deal. So I dont think you can use Glennon as a measuring stick for long range plans or anything like that? The rest all makes sense to me tho.

I could see him playing in the last one too possibly - thats my only caveat, everything else is dead on, and you could be right about the last one too, Im just not sure.

good point re: Texans not playing starters. I wouldnt be shocked if Williams got a bunch of preseason snaps, but even so, this is a week early.

spotrac doesnt have all the years mapped out yet, but they do say DJ Moore is an unrestricted free agent for the 2030 season. So we get 6 more years of him, that goes thru and 1 year past Caleb's 5th year option. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/25119/dj-moore

yeah this is preseason game #0, I think starters will get more reps this year than in years previous over games 1-3. But also, remember we do joint practices too, and so those have a lot of live, but scripted reps too. I think things are just too new to put Caleb out there this week. You want to know you can protect him with the OL at least.

And you get the long term value of the kind of "ESP" that develops when players play together for a long period of time, and get used to how each other is going to see things, and timing stuff etc. Williams, DJ and Odunze into the foreseeable future. That's fantastic. AZ54 is right about the injury gamble, but like Mongo says, all big contrasts are gambles, and this seems like a really good bet. Great news.

for sure, and if Davis is doubtful, then we look harder at Connor Williams too. We have options.

makes sense

yeah let him hand it to Swift 3 times.

He might have a few snaps, but if they think the OL isnt ready to protect him, they could just skip it too. Id say 50/50 he plays and if he does itll be fewer than 10 snaps, just one drive. But Im just guessing.

yup!

Yeah, I am running out of patience for Davis. He really does seem like a turd. I know he can play, but i gotta wonder if his heart is in it.

a freakin men I want to see them playing with urgency. you know how it looks in the playoffs when everyone is dialed in and giving everything? I wanna see some of that every week. Intensity and desire. Hopefully that's Eberflus' style and the team buys in.

yeah and we dont know if Davis is even in our future. Eberflus called him out this week.

for sure. QBs are being overpaid. But Green Bay has the option of drafting a new rookie too. No one puts a gun to your head to spend your cap on a guy thats good but not great. Green Bay is obviously betting he is going to be great, but they dont know. And they dont know because they didnt have a regular rookie contract with him starting to find out. ANd maybe they will get lucky and Love will be great, or maybe they will wish theyd had more time to evaluate him before they had to make that decision. For me, in this new world, Id keep drafting rookies until I had a stud, and then pay him. Im not gonna pay $55M a year for some 15th best QB, and it's not just the money - its also the fact that youre married to him now and cant get your rookie again for a few years. Or if you do, and he sits, you dont get enough evaluation time again and youre in the same spot. Another way of saying you look for greatness, and you dont settle for less even if it means sucking for a few years. Thats what Poles has shown us too.

You can see the brotherhood emerging.

totally agree!

I'm not! I haven't put any ceiling on Williams. I'm just saying you like to see at least two years of consistent play before you want to pay such big money, The Packers had to do it based on a single inconsistent season, and we have more time to evaluate Williams before we have to pay him. My point was more about timing, and how the Packers put themselves in a bind, not about Williams really at all.

I totally get it. But it's kind of like saying Justin Fields is gonna be a great QB because he didnt have WRs or good protection. You can understand why Dexter didnt look like an active 3T, and you could look at his RAS scores and understand there was an athlete there, but without seeing it on film, you have to take a leap of faith that he will become an active 3T and that his personality will fit that quicker role too. I guess Im just saying that if any scouting department could look at his RAS, and understand his 2 gap assignments in Florida that they could reasonably predict the player he has become, then he wouldnt have lasted until the 2nd round? So yeah I agree, it wasnt out of the blue, there were reasons to believe, mitigating factors to understand, but it's also is a win for our scouting department and position coaches who identified him and brought him through this incredible transformation to where he is now. Even the first half of last year it took time and training to speed up his reaction off the ball. And he did. Win for the Bears!

yeah he always had a high RAS, but he was so slow off the snap - we know the reasons, 2 gap, playing weight etc, but still I give the staff credit for seeing what he could become thru what he was on film.