BearFan PHX

yeah our picks throughout that period and in years before and after have been mostly atrocious. So Im just saying, I don't take Greg Gabriel's clickbait as "evidence" If someone wants to say a player is good or bad for a REASON that makes excellent discussions, and I always learn something in those. But to just say "well Brugler and Gabriel say..." is not a discussion, it's just a brick wall that kills the discussion. It's been extremely quiet here, unfortunately.

Oh for sure, I absolutely trust our Coaches and Scouts now much much more. And yes, youre right Gilbert WAS a third rounder - Ill edit that.

I even question Gabriel's abilities as a scout. He was with the Bears from 2002 until 2009. He was part of a pretty dysfunctional scouting department. Here are all the first, second and third round picks we made during those years. yes there are a few names, but maybe only one that would be worth a mid round first round pick. And LOTS of misses, which is why he and they got fired. For example, they scouted that Hester would be good as a DB. And SO many busts on this list. There was a time on this board where people could discuss their opinions about players, but now whenever anyone does, they get shut down with quotes about how their opinion isnt in lock step with some "expert" or "pundit" - so now we just get regurgitated narratives, and we cant really even discuss our own opinions. That's why the board is slow. We are all being told to bow to someone else. I'll bet most of us have found other boards now too. I know I have. First Round OT Marc Colombo DE Michael Haynes QB Rex Grossman DT Tommie Harris RB Cedric Benson DB Danieal Manning TE Greg Olson OT Chris Williams Second Round CB Charles Tillman DT Tank Johnson WR Mark Bradley DB Devin Hester DE Dan Bauzin RB Matt Forte WR Juaquin Iglesias Third Round OG Terrence Metcalf LB Lance Briggs WR Bernard Berrian DT Dusty Dvoracek RB Garrett Wolfe LB MIchael Okwo WR Earl Bennett DT Marcus Harrison DT Jarron Gilbert

Yes. Greg Gabriel isn't the insider he paints himself to be.

I think we are taking LT, Edge and Safety early. I would not be at all shocked if the Bears took a Left Tackle @ 25, and then an Edge like Dani Dennis-Sutton and a Safety. After that, it could go on the DL, CB, or even WR. Guys like Bryce Lance, and DeZhaun Stribling could be hanging around the 3rd or 4th round. Also, if the right player is there at DT, even at pick 25, thats certainly an option. A guy like Peter Woods might be a Bear choice there. Personally, I dont see Zion Young for us. I didn't like his tape at all. I know the pundits look at his measurables and DA's scheme and connect dots, but he's not a great player on tape, and hes not worth pick 25 for sure in my opinion. Id take guys over him in the second round too. I'm kind of expecting: OT Max Iheanachor or OT Caleb Lomu with pick 25 In the second round: Edge Gabe Jacas (if hes still there) or Edge Dani Dennis-Sutton (or another Edge that falls like Malachai Lawerence or Derrick Moore) Safety AJ Haulcy or Safety Emmanuel McNeil-Warren In the third and fourth rounds: DT Gracen Halton or Edge Mason Reiger WR Bryce Lance or WR DeZhaun Strribling S Bud Clark (if we didnt take one in the 2nd round) If a center falls like Hecht, Connor Lew And then CB, blocking TE, LB, DL, a C like Trey Zuhn, and even a late pick developmental QB.

This one is excellent too, although because it has a "fantasy" slant, he only does offensive skill positions. Still, his insights into those players are really good and he has a long track record of predicting things correctly, even that go against the grain of common wisdom. https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/

right. with a pass rush ALL your defenders get "better" at coverage. Edge is a force multiplier for sure.

And what makes it extra stupid is that every GM has a boss that will fire them if they dont like the choices the GM makes, so that gives every GM's boss the final word. So what are we even talking about here? If Poles picks poorly, and Warren fires him as a result does that mean Poles wasnt the GM? And Poles know this, so if Warren says something like "take Caleb Williams" then Poles kinda has to do it. Not saying Warren does that, but he COULD. And so thats all no different than the situation Ian Cunningham is in. Something in Ryans contract gives him an executive GM role I guess. But so what? Its still a promotion to a GM position. League blew it on this one. They're blowing it on the referees contract too. Just pay them.

I think that's highly likely. A safety is almost a lock, and we need CBs. I dont think JJ is sticking around very long. Hopefully his play is elevated from last year, having a healthy offseason, but otherwise he's being paid too much for his production?

It's hard to remember but these are just kids too. That doesnt mean I forgive his lack of discipline, but it does mean that redemption is possible? He was 24 last year - maybe some maturity will kick in. And either way, new faces will be nipping at his heels.

I agree, but at the same time, if we draft his replacement, that'd be OK too. I'm curious to see what we have in Zah Frasier too. No idea what last year's absence was about, but Al Harris pushed for him, and we saw what he did with Nashon Wright, so maybe Frasier will be excellent for us?

I think Stephenson has a ton of talent, but his mind hasn't been on the game properly. Im not even saying I think it ever will be. But if he grew up, he'd be a pretty good CB.

Can someone please tell me how to block someone on this new version of the site? Thanks in advance.

#1 youre a dumbass. I dont get most of my information from them. I read and watch lots of stuff just like we all do. #2 you are always saying "so and so says" so thats how your brain works, not mine. I have never once cited Phils opinion as the reason I think something, or that something I think is true, have I? I just watch the film cutups. Theyre excellent. But I make up my own mind about what I see. This is just more weird fake psychoanalysis. I swear this is the weirdest Bears board. This doesnt feel like men discussing football. Its more like a jr high school girls clique. Its embarrassing really.

thats smart. so many narratives out there, but the truth isn't THAT hard to see if you watch some film. it isnt rocket science.

OK, if you guys have to decide that I am just a follower of Phil, then you can think that. Seriously this board is so screwed up its incredible. So many petty little comments. Pathetic. So much hate. Yuck.

Oh I definitely watch their analysis. Im not saying i dont. Im just saying I dont get my opinions from anyone, I just look at the film myself. Sometimes i disagree with Phil, sometimes Shayne disagrees with Phil. But all can say is the free shows are pretty dumb, but the $10 paid content is amazing right this time of year. Its straight film analysis, and it's really enlightening. I'd probably be all in on Zion Young for example if I hadnt seen the TTNL film. And it's not because Phil said, but just what I was able to see myself.

speaking for myself, I dont "follow" anyone - I find their film cutups helpful, but I dont place my faith or opinions in anyone or anything other than what my own eyes see. I have never been one to blindly follow. Clearly, I am my own man, and I don't bend no matter how much of the crowd is going the other way. So in the same way, I am not a devotee, or a follower. I just think watching 90 minutes of tape on a player gives you more info than reading what some pundit says.

totally agree. the free shows on YouTube are almost all just them talking badly about other pundits. Almost worthless. Whats amazing is their paid content, the player breakdowns.

All I can say, to everyone here, is that the $10/mo Patreon for TTNL is amazing. They break down all the college players we might be interested in. The tape makes it all very clear. You could pay for April only, so a total of $10, and get all the breakdowns theyve done so far and will do before the draft.

No doubt Phil is arrogant. But I think he's right a lot too. And I think Gabriel is a moron, but that's just my opinion of course. It's just you used him as "evidence" or a "supporting fact" so I was just saying that evidence didnt hold up in my view. I also not saying you said he is always right or anything like that. It's just you cited him, so I rebutted that? Like if you put a PFF factoid and then i say PFF is random. Same thing? Also, if you get a chance to watch "Cars Keys" on TTNL, he and Shayne talk and he is VERY smart about GM stuff and the cap. And Phil isn't on that show. On his free shows on youtube Phil is basically just being arrogant, but if you pay the $10, and watch his film analysis this time of year, and ignore his personaility, it's the best stuff out there I think. Starting with it isnt just highlights, but the good the bad and the ugly. It's why I dont like Zion Young while most people do. That TTNL tape looked a lot different than the highlight reels do. And I saw him taking plays off, giving half effort and not being a high motor guy. This time of year it's a good $10 to spend. He goes in depth with a lot of the possible guys we could draft, and you can watch an hour of tape, along with excellent analysis about footwork, assignments, routes etc etc for anyone interested, it's excellent.

No i dont think you or we were arguing. If you mean the phrase "argument of authority" that means like a logical argument, and its a classic logical mistake, but it doesnt mean like angry arguing or anything like that - we arent. You havent said anything like that in a while, alls well here with me. No fight here. Im just saying i think he's an idiot, so for me, his opinion isnt proof of anything. And I just offered that he said we would keep Fields and trade the Caleb pick. He said he had inside info about that, and clearly, he was lying or being lied to - either way, it it proof that you cant trust those reports from him. But this is just a discussion, Im not mad at you(or anyone).

LOL @ the Phil Emery video! I know what you mean, this time of year we are so hungry for information, and there just isnt any to be had, lying season and all that. That said, I still think Greg Gabriel has the worst takes around. I don't trust him as a source at all. He said Caleb would be terrible and we should keep Fields. He even said that he had inside info that we would trade that first pick and keep Fields. I mean that alone should make anything else he says highly suspect.

well we are back to this. the argument of authority. Understand that Greg Gabriels job isnt to tell the truth, its to get clicks. Also these guys just repeat the same narratives. You can believe or "trust" whoever you want to, but its not any kind of proof at all. GG is an idiot. https://x.com/ggabefootball/status/1741190517847646295 Hilarious.

With all due respect, Greg Gabriel is wrong a LOT.