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LOL atrocious! Its like an old keystone cops comedy LOL But the good news is that Logan Jones is going to be a player for us. I like his attitude, and in time I think he's going to be a monster.

Yes, thats a terrible rep by Benedet. I havent been saying Benedet is good, Ive just been saying that Jones is worse. My choice would be Benedet, but he's looked awful at times too. We really dont have a good option until Trapilo comes back. Also, I appreciate the film citation, we can see the same rep from the same angle, and low and behold we agree - it was BAD.

I agree with AZ, and whoever else, that Ahmed is better than Roschon.

Well, like I said, if your weakness is to the side, then help is more helpful than if you get bull rushed and the TE cant really get a chip. As for the sarcasm, yes youre a big tough boy, "mongo" lol

All 22 is a different angle - its much easier to see what the Offensive and Defensive lines are doing when they show that second angle on the all 22 from the endzone. People can watch all 22 film in highlights too, no doubt. I dont get a commission from NFL+ lol But to think that Im arrogant by saying that if someone watched the all 22 theyd agree with me, then it doesnt say anything about my abilities at all does it? It says that YOU (or whoever) would see with your OWN eyes, and I think agree. That means I think what im seeing is right, not that I think Im so great at watching film. You and a couple others have chosen to read me a certain way. It goes back to me saying that Justin Fields sucks. Then you called me negative. Then when I was so excited about Caleb WIlliams, and saw what he was on tape, then it was that Im arrogant, rather than negative. I think Im just right. Not because everything i think is so precious, but because I watched the tape and i have faith in what I saw. And again, it's not that I see better, because i still think many people would come to agree with what I saw if they saw it too. So that means they would be just as good at watching tape as I am, which is just normal, not any kind of genius at it. But I know its hopeless to try to explain this - to say that I often disagree with the sportswriters and "common wisdom" of the echo chamber. You see me swim upstream, and think I think im special. But I dont. i just think the sportswriters are full of shit. I watch the all 22, and then I have opinions. Most of them have turned out to be right, again, not because Im so smart, but just because iI took the time to actually watch the tape. And anyone can do that, and so I thought it would make sense to people to subscribe when I found out it was only $80 a month, so I shared that. And it got the same reaction everything I say got. At this point, it aint me fellas.

For sure putting a TE on the left side to help out whoever is playing LT makes a lot of sense. 13 personnel will hide the LT a bit, make him more like a guard. And since Benedet's chilles heel is getting beaten to the outside, and Jones' is power straight at him, 13 personnel helps Benedet more than it helps Jones. For those saying Benedet is a better Guard, that's what 13 personnel would kind of make him. I mean, of course hes still got the DE, but he doesnt have to worry anout getting beaten outside in that case. Im concerned at LT but I am truly worried about the pass rush, or lack of one.

i disagree, but since theyre both full of warts, I can see how some might go the other way. But in no way am I saying Benedet is completely solid. I see it too. I just think Jones is worse, not that Benedet is great.

After Jones went out (after the 3rd series?) the Benedet played LT for a while. He also had some not so great moments. We really need Trapilo back, and you're right we need him to come back and stay back, so they need to be sure with him. As for who whould be the LT int he meanwhile? I'll take Benedet, others like Jones better. And we will probably see what Ben thinks unless Trapilo starts the season.

yes! this was a sloppy, forgettable game. Hard to watch, really. The Offense was cooking until the holding call, and then that was it for the 1s. There were some individual flashes on D, but I didnt see a team playing together really.

i agree with this. If Benedet can get his footwork and reaction time to outside moves a little tighter, i think he is our best option behind Trapilo. But he has struggled with those. Personally, id never trust Braxton Jones, but I know it's not like there are lot of options, so i understand the move. But he is still a liability on the field. I still have hope for Benedet, but he's not the answer either, just maybe the best #2 option.

Agree ASHKUM. There's a mental effect that happens when you have a choice between a limited number of options. it's like "which spice girl was the cutest?" and the answer is empircally none of them, but because there are 5 of them you automatically decide which one is the best of the group. Street vendors of cheap jewelry use this trick all the time. They have some average crap earrings, so they put them out next to 3 other ones that are awful. They probably dont even have a supply of the bad ones, just a bag full of the average ones. And next to the others, the mediocre ones look good enough to buy. Itd be true if 2 were playing well too, wed probably all be saying one or the other of them was the best one. But yeah, putting 4 mediocre players together deosnt mean you can craft a good one out of them because of the other ones. I made that point here a few weeks ago, and it seems to be playing out. For me, Benedet is the best of the group, but maybe thats just me falling prey to what i described above. Probably the truth is that none of them is good enough. If Trapilo isnt ready opening day, we will find out who they go with. But that doesnt even mean they wont replace them by week 4 or something with someone else. Hope Trapilo is on his way back quickly, and can play at a high level when he returns.

Benedet not looking perfect either, but he's done pretty well in there I think. I think the main takeaway is that none of them is really good enough to convincingly take the job. So like i thought earlier, having 4 mid players doesnt create a good one. Thank God Trapilo is coming back at some point. He's obviously better than the rest of them "put together"

Second team is in there, Benedet at RT, and Jones still at LT - we will get a longer look at him.

Go for it, just dont whine when you get it back. For you to to think that me suggesting you watch the footage and come up with your own point of view is arrogance on my point, you really have to be butthurt and twisting things. I respect your opinion, I just wonder if youd see what i saw if you watched the same tape. Arrogance would be me saying I see the film better than you, that i know more about it or something. But i routinely say it isnt rocket science, its not ME, its the film. For any of us. What I see looks kinda obvious to me, so I naively think we might agree more if we all saw it. So that would mean I would respect your point of view, and think wed share it. If i thought you were a dumbass, and I was so far above you, then Id think "even if you saw the all 22 you still wouldnt see it ya moron" but I dont think that. So youre just interpreting me all wrong. Youre so busy trying to prove Im a jerk (Im not) that youre forced to take ridiculous positions. Im like some kind of ghost in your head LOL Im just a guy that likes the Bears. People that know me say im nice. I take care of my family, friends and neighbors. I'm a good dad. I knew a lot of people like you in NYC. I got it, youre tough. Cool. Me too. This whole thing is nonsense. If you speak roughly, Ill answer back that way. Ill assume youre enjoying it. If you decide to speak respectfully and normally, then thats what youll get back from me. Its really your choice. Just like watching the tape would be too. its not such a big deal dude.

It's too bad that Benedet has had troubles this week, because I still dont see Braxton as a good player. He just had like 8 or 9 snaps, and already gave up two pressures and a holding call that stalled our drive. Yuck!

disagreeing is fine, being sarcastic and obnoxious isnt. Or actually it is, as long as we all can do it. The tone of this board will be up to the people on it and how they choose to interact. As long as its the same for anyone, i will go whatever the speed of traffic is. If its polite, I would LOVE that. If it's chippy, I'll return in kind too. And Stinger, Im not talking about you, youve been fine for a while. I disagree with you, but you havent been rude or sarcastic.

and I find you to be a fake alpha meathead, so cool.

uh huh. the hostile sarcasm really shows how youre not angry or mad at me. it's a lovely tone. I'll buy what Pix said at face value, but you really need to moderate your tone if your goal is to communicate that youre not angry? And if you want to keep talking tough, thats fine too, just stand behind your words and stop pretending that you're just so innocent LOL either way is fine, I dont care, but both is ridiculous.

im just saying if we watched Benedet on the all 22 from last week, we'd see he didnt give up any sacks, and maybe one pressure, where he got walked back a bit, but still held his ground, and reestablished position before th pocket was threatened. I doubt anyone would have watched the all 22 and claimed differently. I wish I could see Benedets bad snaps from joint practices on tape, because then maybe Id agree with you guys. Right now, barring those two snaps that I only read about, i think Benedet is a good player and a better choice than Braxton Jones. I think we all agree that if Trapilo is ready, he's the best choice at LT?

sheesh so defensive. I didnt say you need to relearn anything, what i said was that *I* have an easier time seeing a player when I am not also involved in the game in real time. I also didnt suggest some pundit that you should listen to - my suggestion inherently says that your own eyes would be the guide, so you wouldnt need to learn anything. Jeez, so angry. I get that you guys dont like me, but just because there are a few of you together, doesnt make you right. Dont buy it, I dont care. But I watch it and I know what I see with my own eyes - it's not rocket science, it's just football. Anyone can see it, but if they refuse to look, then thats another thing entirely.

I personally cant really see a player that well unless they make a big play good or bad during the broadcast. When i go back on the all 22 and focus on them its easier to see what theyre doing and in context, so why. It's $80 for the year to get NFL+ I highly suggest it to anyone that cares enough to post on this board regularly. ANd i wonder if we wouldnt all start to agree more if we all did that?

FOr anyone interested, it's like $80 for the year now: NFL+ and then you can watch and see why all that stuff happens, did Caleb miss an open receiver or was there a reason etc. No need to listen to writers who may or may not have done any homework, or even listen to me or anyone, you can see for yourself. Thats the best way anyway.

well I went back and watched the all 22 of the Cleveland game, and specifically watched him on every snap. Took about 40 minutes. He was fine, good even. Im not sure what you saw. Did you watch more than just the TV broadcast?

That's disappointing. Wish I could see the film!

This is how I've seen that group from the beginning. I said, Benedet is the floor of the group. Some may have wild potential upside, but Benedet is the worst it will get for us at LT, because his worst is the best of the bunch. His worst is serviceable. I dont believe any of the other three are. And of course i think Trapilo, if he looks like last year, is the obvious best of the bunch if he is available. But a couple of weeks ago, even when everyone (all the writers) were saying Benedet is out of the competition now, I held true to what I'd seen. I knew that couldn't be correct. And at least as far as the claim that he was out of the running, and only a backup for RT are concerned, thats obviously now proven false. Will they choose Braxton over Benedet? Remains to be seen, but in my view it's Benedet by a mile.