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I really like DJ Moore - especially the past few weeks. He's been balling out for us. I just know that without a pass rush, we are unlikely to be a real threat for the super bowl. i mean this year might we scratch our way there? its not impossible! Im here for it! But i think its a lot more credible going foward, if this team has a defense. And so I dont pick DJ Moore because hes the worst WR we have. FAR from it. He might be the best. But he's the one with the $24.5M payday. And for that reason ONLY I think he's trade bait And would clear up $16.5M in cap space for us. It's nothing more than that. i think hes a fantastic player. The entire argument is only his cap hit, and how badly the other side of the ball needs that money.

yeah, theyre meatheads. when youre not great youre awful, when youre kinda good, youre amazing. they just over state whatever the common wisdom is, which is usually how many games youve won or lost in the past 5 weeks. Dont believe em when youre down, dont believe em when youre up.

well said. Caleb is a "winner" thats that weird illogical ability to make plays when it matters most. One example i think of is when the guy caught the ball on top of his helmet late in the super bowl, when Eli Manning threw it - thats a winner. Its not logical, and you cant teach it, but when it matters you find a way. Now of course you have to be good regularly too, and the Caleb critics arent wrong. 50% completion isnt gonna cut it. But anyone fairly looking at his season has to conclude that Caleb has gotten much better at playing from the pocket, making throws in rhythm (like the one you mentioned) and you can tell from his body language the game is slowing down for him This is why i say he is special, a winner, elite and still not good. LOL There is no reason to expect that Caleb wont continue to grow in the regular part of his game - it's already night and day from the first 4 weeks of this season. And while he spent this past offseason learning footwork and trying to digest the playbook, next year he will be working on the more subtle things, and I expect a big improvement in doing the regular "good" things. We have a real winner here, and I am so excited for where he will take us. Like you say, we have nothing in Bears history to compare it to, the closest perhaps would be Michael Jordan. He didnt start off perfectly and it took a minute to get past the Pistons. He got his coach with a new fangled triangle offense, and after a time, he was dominant. I think that's what we're in for here. I honestly thought this was possible from his college film. I knew what he still needed to learn, but that stuff is teachable, and being a winner isnt. GO BEARS!

Yeah, I keep saying "Caleb is a winner, he is special and elite, and hes not even good yet."

Amen!

totally true, and hes gonna clean up that other stuff too and the he will be elite. I mean, its not THAT hard to learn the basics of playing QB. He already has the other stuff. hes much more comfortable in the pocket than he was 2 months ago - hes playing in rhythm more, just from his body language you can see the game is slowing down for him. To say he cant reach 65% Completion next year would be silly. And if he does, we're gonna be scoring 30+ points regularly and eating a lot of clock too.

And learning to do the regular stuff isnt so hard to do. Caleb has improved a LOT this year in a lot of technical ways. Last July it was learning the playbook, and footwork. This July it'll be reading defenses and finding the open guy. When he adds more consistency to his regular game, he's gonna be unstoppable. Im saying it now - Caleb is a top 5 QB next year.

Johnson is an overcompetitive maniac. You dont want to play golf with him, or poker, he might even be a difficult neighbor, but hes the guy you want if you want to win superbows! Eberflus is probably a wonderful neighbor, a cool guy to golf with, but i dont want him anywhere near out team unless hes on the other sideline.

I wouldnt trade Caleb for anyone. The thing is, he still has a way to go too. Where hes heading is gonna be incredible. "Generational" you might say LOL I wasnt one using that word, but i did defend other people using it when it was part of "Generational Prospect" because of his ceiling, now hes taking steps to become that player. I do really think top 5 QB for Caleb next year is a likely goal.

We can beat or lose to pretty much any of these teams. Its up to us.

Yeah. I think of it like this: Some players are consistently mediocre. They never make amazing plays, and they dont make too many mistakes. Caleb is already elite on some throws, doing things no one else can do. But he is inconsistent on the more vanilla stuff. So which is the guy you want? I mean you can train ANY QB to get better at the regular things. You cant teach the elite qualities he already has. And as Caleb spends more time of COURSE hes gonna get better. I figure him for a top 5 QB next year. This offseason (which was only July) was teaching him footwork and how to play under center. Look where he's come! Next offseason is gonna be reading, identifying and defeating defenses in rhythm at a higher level. He's already shown a tremendous improvement in playing in rhythm for the first half of the season. So add being a functional regular QB to his skill set, and he is elite. Win a couple Superbowls and hes a Hall of Famer. Its not hard to see at all. Right now, he's not even good, but hes great, elite and special. And he is a winner. But he needs to get to good in the middle of the game, just running the regular offense.

hilarious

lol

agree - the whole thing is unclear!

And we will have a pass rush too!

And that was with 50% completion. Imagine how this is all going to look when they get more consistent. We are already special, and were not even that "good" yet.

I think thats for players? These are comp picks for losing a minority front office guy elevated to GM.

We have our QB. The discussion is over. Caleb is a franchise QB. The Pack is no longer our owners, we got that monkey off of our back definitively. We won the division, and we beat them in the playoffs. It's OVER. Bears are the better team now. Lets see how far we can ride this. We either play the Rams or the Eagles next. We've beaten the Eagles already, and the Rams didnt look superhuman today against the Panthers. And then next year, with a pass rush, we are coming for it all.

We are about 4 feet away on a single Caleb pass from having beaten the Pack 3-0 this year. We are the best team in the NFC North. The curse is over. Pack is second best. Lets GO!

Biggest, most important game for the franchise in a LONG time. Not just to win the WC round playoff game, but to beat the Packers to do it. Let's not beat em at the last second, lets dominate them and break their will. That's what I want. a STATEMENT win.

I didnt see the rumors - Ashkum did, I was just playing with the idea. It sounds far fetched for the reasons you just said, but id be all for it of course.

yes please - Id love that. Make it that Atlanta signs Cunningham, then trades him for Poles - we get the compensatory picks too then LOL

thank you

Yeah ones gonna be Pres and the other ones gonna be GM, and theyre just figuring it out. If it was me, I think the player goes President, and the asst GM goes GM.

thank you! and can we trade next years pick this year? I feel like there has been some prohibition on that with compensatory picks in the past, but not any more, but again, Im not an expert.