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1 hour ago, dawhizz said:
I see MHJ isn’t even working out for scouts at his pro day. I assume he gets the “princess” tag too?
Caleb should have took route and skipped the measurement.
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6 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
Ironically, Daniels is now teammates with Justin in Pittsburgh.
Add Trubisky for a year or two too.
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Throw back to 2018, Bear selected C James Daniels, Iowa, in the 2nd round.
They opted to play him at G and let the vet Cody Whitehair start at C. I think they did so because they were on the verge to greatness and wanted a vet making the play calls. The double doink was the end of that season
Bobbie Massey RT, Kyle Long RG, Cody Whitehair C, James Daniels LG, and Charles Leno LT.
Would our drought at C been fixed if they left him there to learn. Poles let him walk, was that a mistake? Nate Davis pff graded at 52.9. Tevin Jenkins 72. James Daniels 62.
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16 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
some good names there, but i feel like our current roster is better!
It seems the Bears have struggled drafting elite talent at the major key positions since Finks: QB, DE, LT, WR (Alshon Jeffrie)
Poles can knock 2 of those out of the park in this draft. This is what I love, a GM that gets it and knows what positions need to be addressed.
Go back to previous eras where LBs and RBs were valued more than. DTs and O-line
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1 minute ago, BearFan PHX said:
lol well Im not gonna blame him for his draft choices, but if I did more research maybe I would! LOL
He helped direct the Bears to some good and bad: Charles Tillman, Lance Briggs, Rex Grossman, Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Nathan Vasher, Benard Berrian, Cedrick Benson, Kyle Orton, Daniel Manning, Devin Hester, Mark Anderson, Greg Olson, Matt Forte.
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11 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
I think the only reason he doesn't come here has to do him wanting to be treated special. Saying the rookie pay scale is unfair and thinking he may be able to change it because he is so good. Saying he is better than Patrick Mahomes is another red flag. Who would say that? Most rumors probably aren't true but things had to be said for any of them to gain that much talk.
He can use that excuse anywhere, not just the Bears. My inkling says he doesn't want Chicago because of there awful QB history and how they avoided committing to building around their QBs which included coaching. He may even see that with JF and possibly why Poles took less capital than rumored was offered to honor JF wish to end this soon and send him to a team of his choice.
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4 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
ha! its ok! I said screw him, so the pushback is symmetrical!
I think Gabriel is full of crap about this double secret anti Caleb stuff. That's all I really mean to say. I think he's being an agent of disinformation in this case, which I understand is not uncommon in the NFL. And if so, it's anti-Bear too.
But I've got nothing else against the guy. No other examples.His love is in Chicago and then Buffalo. He helped bring the team to a superbowl even if he had a hand in JA selecting Grossman and Orton.
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2 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:
I look at it like we told the whole world we are drafting a QB, which makes the pick more valuable. Suitors know that they are really going to have to pony up if they want Caleb. And when we really look at it, how much better is he really? If he's in a league of his own, the point is moot, cause you didn't trade that. If Poles sees it at close and someone calls strongly, we make bank on picks.
That holds true until there is a leak he really doesn't want to play for the Bears. He holds all the power even though the Bears hold the chips to trade the rights to any team.
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4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
exactly. and no one he played with will be selected above the 3rd round in the draft.
Also to the vaporous rumors about Williams' negative character, since there was never any substance that came out about them, couldnt it have been disinformational rumor seeding by Washington?
I think Greg Gabriel got paid some money by Washington to seed this. And before you say that's paranoid I have heard several commentators say that they know reporters do this for money and for the guarantee of scooping breaking stories in the future from the same GM.
Additionally I know of at least one pundit who says he was approached and offered money to do it.
Greg Gabriel lost his inside source in Cliff Stein and was facing having no pipeline for info which is death for a pundit. So he makes a deal with Washington's GM to seed bad info about Caleb, possibly to shake him free to get to pick #2. And if he ends up screwing the Bears in the process why wouldnt he?
Greg Gabriel is a stooge. Screw that guy.Tell me where on the doll that Greg Gabriel hurt you. Greg has more connections to information than the bean counter that was canned. He was upset about Stein because he was a long time work friend. People don't like Greg because he is blunt and not afraid to say what is on his mind. I personally enjoy his work and I see he is still living in his glory day world, which is fine. Not all former scout, personal directors put themselves out there on a forum like he does. You say something and call him out, he will spit back. Greg was a Caleb guy, but he said he now has reservations from a scoop he had. It wasn't from Stein, but I believe another former scout, maybe last name Lucas. It is not a play to devalue Caleb, just that he has heard rumblings. Don't take it personal, I am just throwing my 2 cents on the old man.
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3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
I agree with this.
I also think there is some chance that Williams really doesnt want to go to Chicago, but doesnt want to be hated, so he quietly tells Poles this, and Poles wouldnt want it to be known that he wasnt powerful enough to force Williams to play, so he'd keep it a secret too. If we dont draft him, Im going to wonder if that was it as well.
And I suppose you could count that as something in his character, so it also agrees with what you said. But for example, I never thought anything was wrong with Eli's character, but he did the same thing, and in retrospect, it turns out to have been the right move for him.Trading Fields took away any leverage the Bears had. I am not saying this because I want Fields, only because I want the Bears to hold as much power possible. Knowing the Bears are now at his will, he can make demands since they have no one capable to give them a chance at competing this season. Rumor has it he wants to own the team, well he does now. The Bears can draft a lesser talent but then they will have more bumps in the road with a team nearly loaded. It is just a thought, but I don't see him doing this and I hope he realizes the potential playing in Chicago and sets a goal to be the next Bear statue placed near the entrance.
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1 hour ago, adam said:
I voted for Caleb Williams. Unless some huge red flag comes up, it is hard to see the Bears passing on him. He does have some issues to resolve, but there are too many things he does that you can't teach and the few weaknesses are things that can be coached.
The biggest complaints are he holds the ball too long and plays hero ball. When I watch some game replays, most of the time when he holds the ball too long, he is escaping the pass rush and looking downfield to pass. It's not like he is holding the ball too long in the pocket and not trying to pass. For the hero ball, at least this season, the team around him looked like the Panthers. He was trying to make something out of nothing a lot. The offense put a lot on him, and he had no running game.
If they select him, he is coming into a situation that is better than he had in college. Allen and Moore are the best WRs he has ever thrown to. So there is a chance he is even better in the NFL, which is crazy to think.
Which is what can make the selection potentially dangerous since we are being sold on how he is the next coming. I chose Caleb because by the looks of the team today, they will be throwing him into the fire day 1. The other QBs might need to sit and put in work before getting under center. Stroud put up incredible numbers and a playoff trip, so now Caleb has to match or the fans will be restless and speaking.
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On 3/17/2024 at 8:05 AM, adam said:
I have to find it, but someone had a breakdown of the current Bears receivers (including Swift) against man and zone. Basically there is a cheat code no matter what coverage, someone will be open on every play.
Also, Waldron last year:
Lockett - 122 targets, Metcalf - 119 = Moore and Allen are gonna cook.
I wonder where Waldron wants Keenan lining up. He was a primary slot wr with the Chargers until this year they moved him all over. Tyler Lockett was a good slot wr with Waldron, so I project that is where Waldron plays him. Moore plays mostly outside at X, which is where DJ Metcalf plays the most at but Moore might fit in better at Z (Steve Smith/Hines Ward) leaving the X a priority which would be a perfect fit for LSU WR Brian Thomas Jr. 6'4 209 4.33 40.
This idea has trade down all over it. Trade 9 to Raiders for 13 for a 2024 3rd. Select WR Thomas Jr at 13 who's height and speed resembles Metcalf.
2024 Draft
1 Caleb Williams QB. USC
T13 Brian Thomas Jr WR LSU
75 Zach Frazier C W Virginia
T77 Bralen Trice DE Washington
105 Tyler Davis DT Clemson
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Picks: 1:1, 1:9, 3:75 and 4:122
I have a feeling Poles pulls a 2022 draft trade using the 3rd or 4th to move down. He turned a 5th into 4 additional picks. The 2nd will give them a great chance at their choice for DE, which is tough to concede to their second or third choice. Just my opinion on what they might do.
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Philly called the Bears before making the Pickett deal, did the Bears not want him there or were the Eagles not on JF list of teams to go to?
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1 minute ago, Stinger226 said:
We aren't getting rid of Herbert. Use last year as an example, we were down to our 4th RB. Injuries are unexpected. You think it's worth a 6th pick to lose depth
Here's an interesting podcast
Listen to Bears trade for Keenan Allen & tons more with Josh Lucas from Hoge & Jahns: a show about the Chicago Bears on Audacy - https://go.audacy.com/wV5wcJX3ZHb
I was talking QB justin Herbert. Someone joked and said trade khalil for a haul.
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4 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
I don’t know. I could see LA in a form of rebuild and maybe LA would allow Herbert a reset somewhere else while compiling a bunch of picks. If true to his word Harbaugh has a really high opinion of McCarthy and could have a fair number of pieces in place for him to do well. And Harbaugh is crazy enough to try just that.
The Superbowl interview with Harbaugh, he was sure excited about having Herbert. It would take a huge amount of draft capital and players to lure him.
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13 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Kenny Pickett to Eagles. Not sure what for.
Holy Cow, the Eagles would rather have Kenny Pickett over Justin Fields. Justin Fields is going to be in the XFL, that is if they even want him, probably bagging groceries but he'd be missing wide open bags. Guys the writing is on the wall, no one wants JF1. 🤪
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Bears bring in their WR2 for a 4th rounder.
Welcome Keenen Allen
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20 minutes ago, Pixote said:
But will Poles want to pay starting LOT money for him to resign when his rookie deal expires?
I don't see it and see that will be a high pick next year. He is vulnerable against the bull rush and he needs to improve drastically there to get the extension.
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3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
and you know this. LOL
What I do know is Poles is not committing to anyone until he knows them. He passed on one of the top DTs when we needed one because he didn't check Poles boxes. After he gets to prod CW, he can decide. For all we know is he can trade down for a haul, take MHJ and Nix if CW turns out to be a turd 😉
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1 minute ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
If Joey Bosa gets cut - he could be a very interesting signing, if the Bears think they know how to solve his injury issues (or if it was more fluke the last 2 seasons)? When he's healthy he is a difference maker.
Chase Young is also interesting. He hasn't been the player everyone thought he should be - but he still had 7.5 sacks this past year and is still very young (24 years old). Sweat knows him well - he clearly has some "Claypool" in him, but if he had an awakening this year and went into a good off-season he could be a very good buy-low candidate (not cheap - cause pass rusher(s) cost money).
Big no on Young, not worth the chance of him waking up. Poles wants a mentality and culture of team players that buy into HITS
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"Lastly, if they did trade Fields, that would save an additional $3M. So that is over $50M in effective cap space without doing too much."
I thought JFs contract is fully guaranteed? Unless there is offset language built in that states if traded, that team pays the contract.
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3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
That is more likely than my scenario for sure. And I have heard the Bears might even prefer Nabers too, so there are options and permutations.
And to Mongo - if four QBs go before pick #9, and there are three WRs we like, the odds are pretty good wed get one. And if not you have amazing options at LOT, Bowers or a top DL.
One way or another though, we are getting another impact WR for sure.The top 10 list came from the discussion Tues night on the score saying the top 3 WRs will all be gone before pick 8. I wanted to feel this out. It will be close and if one makes it to 8, I can see someone leap frogging the Bears to get Nabers/Odunze if there. That would leave blue chip LT/DE, but not the Bears top needs.
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1 minute ago, Pixote said:
Do you think it is possible that the Bears will be so bad that they will fire Flus before the end of the 2024 season?
I don't see that and see it being a difficult fire if they win 10 plus and either miss the playoffs or are wildcard losers.
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Poles and Flus took Caleb and teammates to an upscale Hollywood club to get a feel on how he is. Bet they don't do this with Maye, JJ, and Daniels