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ESPN now saying it's Orton, 2 first and this year's 3rd for Cutler and a 5th. Looks like that's the real deal. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

Assuming that's the deal. There's two deals floating out there and no one seems to be backing down. But if that's the case, yeah, that's potentially really nice.

That's one of the deals being reported. Here's the other one: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373.

Now ESPN is saying it's Orton & two firsts for Cutler and a third from Denver! That's pretty outstanding if you ask me.

Is the third this year or next? Anyone know? Anyone care?

ESPN too http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373 Holy S***.

The weight thing has been more recent. The general knock on him is speed.

I was interested in what 2 first round picks really means, so I took a look at the picks made by a team in the last half of the draft two years in a row. I threw out the last two years (too recent to really know what kind of players they are) and looked at 2005 and 2006. This is with the general understanding that if the Bears traded two firsts for Cutler, they would trade this year's 18th pick and next year's pick would be in the last half of the draft (since presumably Cutler makes this team better). Here's the players that would be equivalent to two first round picks by one team: Chiefs – Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali Bengals – David Pollack, Johnathan Joseph Vikings – Erasmus James, Chad Greenaway Rams – Alex Barron, Tye Hill Cowboys – Marcus Spears, Bobby Carpenter Jaguars – Matt Jones, Marcedes Lewis Chargers – Luis Castillo, Antonio Cromartie Colts – Marlin Jackson, Joseph Addai Steelers – Heath Miller, Santonio Holmes Eagles –Mike Patterson, Broderick Bunkley Patriots – Logan Mankins, Laurence Maroney Any of those combinations, from a talent standpoint, you wouldn't trade for a franchise QB given the chance?

Not that it's going to make or break a Bears decision to push for Cutler, but keep in mind that he and Earl Bennett had a great relationship at Vanderbilt, to the point that Cutler came back after his rookie year to throw to Bennett at his pro day. If you're worried at all about Bennett's development, the fact that he has an existing good relationship with Cutler makes him look extra enticing.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-0...0,1624787.story I think this is a smart way to go about it. Williams is clearly the LT of the future, but after a injury-plagued first year, it makes some sense to have him at RT, learning and watching one of the best in recent years man the left side until he's ready to take over. Sounds like the Bears are making a real push.

If the Bears like Pace and Pace likes the Bears, would it be better to sign him now or later? You sign him now, and it means you have it done and can move forward in the draft accordingly. But if you wait, it allows you to keep Pace in mind while drafting. For instance, say Oher is still there at 18 or Loadholt falls to the 3rd or something. If you sign Pace, you probably aren't taking them. If you wait, you can take advantage of that kind of thing and just tell Pace, "we decided to go in a different direction." Just something to keep in mind.

I'm not quite sure I understand your general approach to the draft, looking at both. Why, for instance, do you see an OLB as a top-4 need in both? Why are you drafting a SS in the first draft when two SS spots are essentially locked up? Do you see DE as a need (3rd round in the first draft) or not a need (7th round in the second)? Is it just BPA? As far as your general approach, for me, OLB would not be a consideration until late, RB would bearly be a consideration at all, despite the Bears' apparent interest in James Davis (we have 4). I would go for an OG somewhere in the first 5 rounds or so. As far as the drafts themselves: First draft: Love Nicks, but I'm very nervous about Loadholt. I would go FS much earlier and OLB much later (someone like Darcel McBath or Sherrod Martin instead of Williams). I'm kind of torn on whether or not to go QB in the middle rounds, but I like Davis (and McGee, actually). I'd also like to another receiver earlier than UDFA. Second draft: My favorite of the two. First three picks are fine by me. I would switch out an OL for the OLB (maybe someone like Kraig Urbik or Troy Kropog) in the third and probably go DE instead of RB in the fourth, but other than that I have few complaints about it.

One could also see the Cardinals in the market for a CB, so maybe try trading one of those guys and our 2nd for Boldin, or our 1st and a CB for Boldin and their 2nd?

I think this would be a tremendous move. Grab a mid-round tackle to develop in the draft and free up the early rounds for WR and FS. Anyone know if he had any kind of good relationship with Lovie when they were in St. Louis that might tip the scales in our favor?

With the Pace visit, it may all be moot. But the more I watch and read the more sold I am on Nicks and the less sold I am on Loadholt. I REALLY want Nicks in the first. As a result, I think at this point I would prefer to see us go something like: 1) Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina - Did I mention I love him? 2) Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama - Let's bring back a smart coverage guy at safety. That seems to have worked pretty well with Mike Brown. 3a) Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane - Can play at both RT and LT and is used to opening holes for Forte, though he may need to put on some weight to be an effective RT. 3b) Mitch King, DE, Iowa - So similar to Aaron Kampman, I can't help but think he'll do well at the next level. Can play inside and outside in our scheme. 4) Jarett Dillard, WR, Rice - Nice 3rd down/red zone WR who can catch and jump. 5) Ramon Foster, OT/OG, Tennessee - A versatile RT/OG to help out whereever. 6) Glover Quin, CB, New Mexico - Corey Graham 2.0. 7a) Stephen Hodge, LB/S, TCU - If he's still there, Lovie will want to draft him (they're related). 7b) Marcus Mailei, FB, Weber State - Strong blocker for the practice squad who might be able to challenge McKie after some development.

If the Bears don't go OT in the first (Britton) and Loadholt ends up being gone in the 2nd (or the Bears just don't like him), where should the Bears go at OT from there? The draft seems relatively thin after that as far as pure RTs are concerned (Fenuki Tupou, Garrett Reynolds and the rising Sebastian Vollmer seem the only pure, consensus RTs), but there are a number of either swing tackles who can arguably play LT and RT (Jason Watkins, Troy Kropog, Gerald Cadogan), pure LTs (Xavier Fulton) or OG/OT tweeners (T.J. Lang, Kraig Urbik, Herman Johnson). So, if the Bears pass on OT in the first two rounds, any of these guys a particularly good fit for the Bears? If we really planning to keep Omiyale at guard, don't we need a swing tackle who can back up Chris Williams AND Kevin Shaffer as much as we need a pure RT like Loadholt, who probably wouldn't be able to step in and help if Williams went down again?

I hadn't seen this posted yet. Lots of notes on WRs, OTs, and other miscellaneous players we might have some interest in. http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/03/dr...out_to_ent.html Discuss (or something).

Those aren't reasons they will absolutely still be available in the 5th, though. You might not like them in the third/fourth rounds for those reasons, but there is plenty of evidence to suggest some teams might, and that the Bears might be one of those teams.

I don't understand why you keep saying that. You can certainly not like both players, but all I've seen suggests they are at least in the mix in the third round with the rest of those at this point, if you go by the projections on most draft sites.

I had always kind of figured on the Bears drafting a WR early (round 1 or 2) and then another WR late (round 5-7), but the way the draft is shaping up, I wonder if it might be wise to go WR with both 3rd round picks. Let's say an OT is the pick in the first (Britton would be the most likely candidate here). If you want a FS to compete right away for a starting spot (and, personally, I do) I think the second round is the place to get one, whether you want one of the projects (Sean Smith or Jairus Byrd) or one of the true FSs (Louis Delmas, Rashad Johnson, Darcel McBath, William Moore). That still leaves a glaring hole at WR, but the Bears seem to be doing a lot of scouting on those middle round WRs. So maybe you take a deep threat and a possession guy by mixing and matching whoever is left out of guys like Collie, Iglesias, Massaquoi, Tate, Barden, Dillard, Gibson, whoever. If you've shorn up RT, and move Omiyale to OG for sure, I think I would be pretty comfortable with bringing in two of those guys and seeing what they can do (hopefully more than Bennett did last year). Would you?

I predicted this as soon as St. Clair was signed. IMO, this does decrease the chance an OT is taken in the first. Shaffer is still relatively young, is starter-quality, and signed to a three-year deal. Maybe the Bears look more at a developmental tackle in the 3rd-4th round (Jason Watkins, TJ Lang, Gerald Cadogan, Xavier Fulton). I can see a situation where Omiyale starts at RT with Shaffer backing him up.

To the extent people trust Mel Kiper (and I, for one, do), he answered my question about Nicks in his chat today: Greg (St. Louis): Is Hakeem Nicks' weight gain cause for concern? Mel Kiper: (1:22 PM ET ) For some people it may. I talked to one person in particular say that it's a red flag. Someone at UNC said he had a tweak of the hamstring and tha'ts why he hasn't been able to work out and put on some weight. He went from 212 to 226. So he put on 14 pounds from the combine. He's not a fast guy, so if you put on weight all of a sudden, you're not getting open. Hopefully he can get the weight down. I think he could be a first round pick. He could go to Minnesota, Giants, Tennessee, Baltimore.

Why is that? What about the scheme makes it difficult for him to play FS?

He got hurt. He couldn't work out. He let himself go. He got better. He shed the pounds. Something to consider, but not a big deal IMO.

If the Bears do go WR in the 3rd, also keep in mind they are said to be high on Brandon Gibson from Washington State, they were at the NC pro day, obstensibly to scout Nicks, but probably also got a good look at Brandon Tate and Brooks Foster, and were also at the Oklahoma pro day where they had a look at Juaquin Iglesias (and the Bears have not shied away from drafting from Oklahoma in recent years).