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I already stated my thoughts on Booker a week ago. From some quick searching I don't see where he got a signing bonus. He's done very little to make an impression so far and that's been stated in several articles. I believe out of respect for him it's been kept quiet. One of the reasons I said the battle could be between Booker/Bradley/Hass is because we might need Bookers cap space to sign Oline help. If there just isn't that big of a gap between him and Bradley or Hass then a GM would have to look at the big picture. I don't expect Booker is getting cut simply because of his veteran status (that's the way Lovie is) but based on what he's done so far if it were me making the decision I wouldn't rule it out. I listed Booker as the 5th WR and he's not contributing on special teams. Hass knows all WR positions Booker does not, Hass has been playing on special teams. Hass also did a good job on run blocking against Seattle. As far as I'm concerned Booker had his chances with 1's and 2's the first two games. It's time we get Hass out there for a few plays with the first team to see what he can do. I expect Lloyd, Davis, Hester to start against San Fran but I'd like to see a few plays in the second quarter with Hass out there. If Hass can't cut it against a first string defense then he's an easy cut but I'd much rather see him get an opportunity before we write him off.

This thread is too long for such a simple question but I'm jumping in. I do feel our Oline struggles against stunts and it's been this way for at least a couple years. However, they really struggle against 3-4 defenses. Kyle Orton said it best though that the whole pass protection thing against blitzes (stunts whatever) is a unit evaluation not just Oline. Over last year at the top of the list Fred Miller, Metcalf, Ced, AP, and Rex all had breakdowns resulting in a sack or bad play. Not everyone made the boneheaded play everytime but as fans the cumulative effect shows clearly. Defenses know this and they don't bank on any single guy making the mistake but rather that one will be made and our QB and WR weren't good enough to overcome it. I am not a fan of Hiestand and made that clear last year. I've never figured out his love affair with Metcalf who IMO has never looked good in a game. Nobody seems to develop with this guy. He hated Beekman all preseason and yet he hasn't been anwhere near as bad as Metcalf was last year. He said Beekman was too small to play the position yet Garza is the exact same size? And worst of all, Hiestand said the Oline was playing well last year and fans didn't know what they were talking about. The right QB would help overcome some of this. Some hot reads for WRs would help too. Do we ever do that? So would having a WR who can beat a tackle and take it the distance.

It was a lousy draft so who was going to trade up to get one those guys?

I've seen one reception from Booker and that doesn't thrill me and neither does Joe Horn.

I didn't see nearly as many bliztes when Kyle was in the game but we also have to consider that one of his series was a 2-min drill and Seattle might have been content to play a bit more prevent D. Hester is ridiculously fast...I feel Kyle underthrew the pass to him and he had to slow up a bit. Regardless, he was close to completing the pass. Given all the starters practice reps and game time will give him better timing with Hester. Now it's time to name the starting WR so they can get on the same page as Orton.

I hope he does because he hasn't done much to impress me yet. Starting WR will be Davis, Hester, Lloyd backed up by Bennett and Booker. If we go with 6 Hass joins the mix.

I don't have the time to review the game right now (work schedule) but even my son was laughing at his blocking on the first offensive series. He had no idea who it was but he quickly pointed out that he wiffed on two blocks. This was while watching the game on my computer. Saw the same thing via DVR the next day. As the game went on Forte became better at blocking but he was still getting moved around and/or pushed backwards. If you want to say that gives a QB time to throw that's fine but I prefer to see him stop a guy cold once in awhile. As I've alluded to in other posts, I think a large part of this is his inexperience in knowing who to block as a consequence he doesn't arrive at the point of contact with his base set. The progress made during the game gives me hope he'll learn and improve but I won't sit here and say he was great nor even good at picking up the blitz in that game. I think for his size Forte isn't that big of a RB (listed at 6-2 210lbs during the game but 216lb on the roster) and I expect he'll add some muscle and strength in the next offseason with Rusty. For comparison Thomas Jones is listed at 5-10 215lbs. Kevin Jones is dropping weight to get down to 220lbs and he's 6'-0". I think Forte will be at a solid 220-225lb next year and it won't affect his agiility. There were many individual breakdowns in pass protection against Seattle above all the Oline and RB must stop the free man coming up the middle so Orton can step up. I don't see either of our OT stopping speed rushers cold, they'll likely always try to push them behind the pocket. Seattle threw a lot at us but I'm hearing that San Fran will do the same Thursday night. Hopefully we'll get to see some improvement.

Olsen has never made a great catch? http://video.aol.com/video-detail/cant-mis...atch/1664916259 http://www.nfl.com/videos;jsessionid=6E8AB...9000d5d8030e9ac

Barton may develop for us. He looked good out there. He definitely needs a year to work on his strength. Beekman as well but I'd also like to see better run blocking from him too. We'll need to replace Garza and for sure we'll need Kreutz replacement in a couple years. I assume Williams will be back next year. I hope Tait improves but maybe this is the end of the line for him. Anyone else catch the line in the article on William's injury about how he was told not to do squats during his Freshman year? Seems clear to me the connection between that and his lack of strength in run blocking. If his back truly is healthy now he may come back stronger next year.

Orton...did nothing that thrilled me but probably wins job by default. Forte...runs well, even makes great moves at times. He knows how to get skinny in the hole to squeeze through for a few yards and has the balance and vision to find holes on the backside of the play. Needs to learn who to block and when he does block he needs to not get run over. Lloyd ...did good things as a WR but matador-style run blocking sucks Bennett...gotta stop dropping 3rd down passes. Harrison...kids gonna be good if he stays out of trouble. Idonije...totally proved me wrong. He's been nothing but average at DE/DT for years why did it take this staff so long to tell him to bulk up to play DT? Graham did well but nothing that really stands out. Steltz played poorly, late in pass coverage, very late in run support and doesn't hit well. His speed is second rate. K. Davis is going to be a big part of our offense for years to come. Grossman...I don't think he played as poorly as sh*t. Overall he was decent and it would have been nice if he had the same time to throw that Orton had. He didn't do enough to win the QB job IMO. Bazuin...why is he absolutely useless? He made a nice inside move and got pressure on the QB in the endzone and the end result of the play was a TD by Graham. He had other plays where he got pressure on the QB and had at least one tackle for a loss on a running play shedding the OT block to get inside. He is not a great outside speed rusher but he has enough speed to get around the end if he learns how to use his strength to turn the corner. In the goal line stands late in the game he was the only player on the backup Dline who didn't get pushed backwards and actually had a nice push upfield. From game 1 to game 2 he showed improvement and seemed more comfortable in the scheme than last week flowing better to the ball. OTOH Ervin Baldwin got pushed around all day even though he got one uncontested sack. Bazuin makes the team as our 4th DE. Bradley...he's breathing because he stays away from contact. Seems to stay away from the football too. Give me Hass, a football player, over Bradley. DManning...I didn't see him do much at all neither good nor bad. He was out there and in on tackles and had a couple decent special teams plays. LG...the guy you want to replace got beat once that I could see and that was on a stunt and he still recovered well enough to slow the guy down. Why do you want to replace him? I'll say right now that he is going to be our starter and Metcalf goes back to the bench. It's also interesting how Beekman has the same physical stats 6'2" 310 lbs as Garza yet the coaches don't complain about Garza's stature. Beekman played better than Garza too. LT...never saw St Clair get beat by his man and that's watching plays in slo-mo. I will say that his man got around the edge deep a few times but St Clair remained in contact with him. Normally the QB steps up and nobody thinks anything of this, happens to our DEs all the time. Instead Grossman backpedaled due to pressure up front. Why do you want to replace him? RT...Tait got beat several times early but looked better heading into the second quarter. One one play Tait was completely turned around by the DE and was blocking with his back. Not sure what that technique is called. RT part 2...I didn't see Barton get beat and again when his man made an outside rush he stayed in contact pushing him behind the pocket. He doesn't have great push on run blocks but he holds his ground. He's a good prospect for us. RG...Garza did not look good, got moved back off the LOS several times and got beat on several pass rush moves. The right side of our line was not good yesterday. Other Oline...Oakley he's ok. Reed can't block anyone, looks alot like Metcalf does when he reaches out and touches nothing but air. Balogh...bad at LT. Gets pushed all over the field, can't pass protect either.

After watching the game via DVR the left side of our Oline was far BETTER than the right side. St Clair and Beekman both held up well on their individual blocks, as did Kreutz. The right side, in particular Tait early in the game, was poor. Garza didn't look good either. Seattle often brought extra guys and did a great job mixing up where they were coming from. Our line didn't handle the stunts well and when they did the RB (Forte) failed to make the block needed to give the QB time to get rid of the ball. As bad as it looked during the game (I was pretty upset myself) after rewatching it I don't think it's a total disaster and many things can be corrected. In fact, if Forte picks up a couple of blocks in the middle as is his responsibility Grossman would have the time needed to complete a pass. It was often that pressure up the middle that forced Grossman to stay deep in the pocket as pressure came around from the outside. Forte did look better as the game went along and I hope as he gets experience he'll get better. Here's my biggest gripe. When do our WRs break off their route when a blitz is on? On several of these plays Grossman had to wait for WR to run routes as deep as 15 yards. Remember the one where he lofted the ball for Davis way down field? I didn't see anyone run a short route on that play. When there's a blitz, especially 6 guys rushing the passer, the entire offense should adjust not just the Oline. Now on to Rex, on a couple of these plays he had guys underneath and didn't make the quick throw. On another play or two he didn't step into the throw even though pressure was coming up the middle the guy was blocked and he room to step into the throw. Same old Rex. I'll agree that Rex had to win the starting job and he didn't IMO. He wasn't as bad as he's been in the past but he didn't stand head and shoulders above Orton. Orton didn't stand out either but the tie goes to the QB with less experience and the arrow pointing up (I hope).

After watching the game via DVR among those three Bradley is going to go and the reason why may not be his route running (although I suspect it isn't great) his run blocking absolutely sucks. He makes no effort and seems to play this game while trying not to get hurt. He doesn't do much on special teams either (did block a punt when unblocked but who can't). For the record Lloyd's run blocking sucks too but he has been more productive in the receiving game.

We ran a lot of two TE sets yesterday. I'm going to give you all one more steal in this draft...Kirk Barton. Ok I can't call him a steal yet because I have no idea if he can develop into a starter in the league. However, he looked good playing against the backups yesterday and he has more mobility than I thought. He holds up well at the point of attack too but didn't really drive his guy off the ball. A year with Rusty can help that. I don't think I saw a play where his man beat him. I'll keep an eye on him the next couple games.

Forte's blocking improved as the game went on but he's not very stout and gets moved around a lot. Mostly it appears he uncertain of who to block. Seattle was bringing guys from all directions with stunts all over the place so that's not really a shock. This is only his second game in the NFL if anything it's good Forte got to see this now. Aside from that his ability to make something out of nothing is very good to see.

The nOline played as if they wanted Grossman to get hurt back there.

I know our offense gets off the bus running but this time I think they just stayed on the bus. Tomorrow morning I record the game and replay in slo mo to see what was going on. What I know now is that Matt Forte cannot block so any thoughts of him being a 3 down RB might have to be held up awhile. Hopefully he learns and improves over the next few weeks. Lance Briggs is still capable of missing tackles. I'm sure he feels bad that lousy Bears organization paid him so much money upfront. Kellen Davis may well end up our TE of the future and not Greg Olsen along with Clark makes this our one and only deep position on offense. Let's hope that didn't change too much in the first quarter tonight. I like DT Harrison. Idonije showed alot of good things tonight too.

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Jones is definitely out. Haven't heard anything about Dusty. Booker and Hester start at WR.

I got this: "and Booker, while looking every bit of 32, has proved himself a reliable receiver and should get the benefit of the doubt. Can a team so thin on the offensive line keep six receivers?" The implication here is that a guy hasn't really earned a roster spot but should get one out of respect. Booker knows preseason games 2 and 3 is where he needs to flash some good things and, like most veterans, I hope he turns it up a notch tomorrow.

I didn't mean to imply he'd be on the roster solely to practice. He'd be on the roster only if he's a viable backup. Without him we drop all the way down to Barton as our backup at OT. That might be a bit painful at RT but would be Qasimesque at LT. I was trying to make the case that there is likely no intent that he take over for St Clair at midseason just because he's healthy. I think that would be a good decision.

What a thread...started with Chris Williams migrated to Mark Hatley and all the way back to fire Lovie or fire JA. Silly me I thought Shoop was still to blame for our offensive problems.

Clayton is the master of the obvious. Realistically I think the Bears are keeping him on the roster in the event we have an injury late in the season. Despite what many think, St Clair isn't going to totally bomb at LT. He was adequate there last year, nothing like famous Bears LTs Qasim Mitchell and Mike Gandy. He did struggle with the better speed rushers but there's a lot of guys that do. If the right side of our line is solid as we expect with Tait/Garza/Kreutz then we should be able to slide protection over to the left to help him out. Given the fact St Clair has been practicing all summer at LT and has a few games under his belt I don't see why he'd be worse than last year. Barring an injury I don't see Williams coming back midseason and unseating St Clair but I wouldn't mind having him as insurance in case either starting OT goes down. There's an added benefit to this as well. I believe if a player is on injured reserve he cannot practice with the team. reference: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3408450 "Ross Tucker, a former offensive lineman who played for five teams in a seven-year NFL career, reiterated Thursday that he believes that New England used players on the injured reserve list in practices, which violates league rules." Keeping Williams on the roster means he'll be able to practice this season and that will help him as we head into next year.

I know nothing about the guy but in no way would I trade for him but if he's cut soon enough he's worth bringing in for a look. I'll take back the trade clause because if we were to offer a conditional late-round pick pending him making our final roster it might be worth a look. If he's cut and we keep Hanie then we lose nothing. If Parcells wants to cut Beck (that seems likely considering the early draft pick on a QB and now Pennington) he'll hold him for as long as possible to see what he can get.

If we're drafting that high can I choose Bill Cowher?

The next Tom Brady because nobody will know his name until the end of next season.