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As happy as I was the DL coach was let go, and Babich was demoted, I was equally disappointed we kept Drake. Not only in development, but our WRs are all the time running the wrong routes, screwing up blocking assignments or just botching plays. How do we not hold "their" position coach responsible. Is Drake still around due to the Texas ties?
I am not 100% letting Turner off the hook, but I really think the bigger problem is Drake. It is not Turner's job to make sure each and every one of his offensive players learns the playbook. That is what we have position coaches for.
I thought I was the president of the dump Darryl Drake club.I believe that Lovie is going to far at times when he tries to give COLLEGE COACHES a chance like Dungy did for him. Drakes body of work to my knowledge consist of Roy Williams who has yet to realize his potential.
As for Turner under Wannie's tenure had Ivan Fears who was respected enough that the Patriots hired him to coach their WRs after he left here.
I'm not quite sure but I believe we had Todd Haley here as a WR coach in the past.
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One, Loadholt in the 3rd? Why just just say we draft Nicks in the 2nd? Come on. Loadholt is the 6th rated OT behind Britton, who is expected to be drafted around our pick. You think Loadholt that goes the back part of the 1st, the entire 2nd, and half of the 3rd w/o being drafted? To be honest, after solid workouts, I think Loadholt will go the route of Duane Brown last year, and end up going in the late 1st.
Two, if we draft a DE in the 2nd round, I will puke. Yea, let's go get a 4th DE (AGAIN) before we have starters at other positions.
Nfo I'm not saying this is right I'm actually trying to predict what JA is going to do.
The thing about Loadholt that makes me fieel he will be there in the 3rd round is because he can only play the right side. I also am basing my opinion on what position I think there is going to be a run on in the second round and that is safety.Right now there is not much buzz about the safeties being coveted.The only thing I've been hearing is that Jenkins may be drafted and converted to safety. This means Chung,Moore,Delmas and Pegues will all be sitting there in that round.
As for drafting a DE,JA has drafted one almost every year except the year he traded for one. Alex Brown, Michael Haynes, Mark Anderson,Claude Harriotte and Dan Bazuin.A forth rounder,a 1st rounder ,2 fifth rounders and a 2nd rounder.So I hope you have your barf bag ready.
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Take a look at the below linked scouting report on Nicks (and you can also use this to check out DHB and whoever else). It is very detailed,
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117392
They compare Nicks to Keyshawn Johnson (far cry from Bennett) and DHB to Ashlie Lelie. Nicks also gets a overall grade of around 7.3, while DHB is around 6.7 (I think that is more similar to Robiskie and more of a 2nd round grade).
DHB is a great looking prospect, but the kid is just so raw it is sick. I am tired of going after track stars and athletes and want to begin focusing on football players. That means we look at some who may not have the best 40 time or 3 cone or vertical, but put them on the field and they can simply play. Put them in pads and they show burst, rather than the guys who look like freaks in shorts.
Nfo two great posts I watched Nicks in a game against West Va where he made plays similar to what Holmes and Fitzgerald did in the Super Bowl.He did exactly what you described and took the ball out the air. The other thing that seems to be lost in this is that I'm not hearing much about how he seemed to be the best offensive player on his team and he was still able to make plays. I consider him the number 3 WR while the top 2 both have QBs who will be drafted this year.
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But how often is an OG set up in a game to go one on one? He's always getting help from a tackle or a center because on 3 or 4 man fronts there's an extra OL.
I'm basng my assessment on the Bears blocking scheme which I believe is a zone blocking scheme where on some plays you might be expected to block more than one player and at his size and the way he moves(stiff) I can't see him being effective inside.Also the one on one drills lets you know whether he can play in space like most OTs have to.
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I see a lot of you are speaking highly about Herman Johnson but he IMO is a project.This is a guy who is 6/7 and over 320 pounds and plays inside.That is not a good fit.He tends to get straightened up to fast and he struggled in one on one drills at the Senior Bowl against Rajii,Brace and Jerry.What do you think would happen when he lines up opposite an Albert Haynesworth or the Williamses at Minn? He is being projected at OT because of his size but honestly he doesn't move that well.His only great distinction right now is that he was the largest baby born in the state of Louisiana at 15 pounds.
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I remember Curtis Conway and Marcus Robinson struggling under Turner when he was here before.I also believe that the position coach should be responsible for trying to get players up to speed with the playbook.That's why I'm convinced that Darryl Drake might be on the hot seat this year.I remember that Moose was telling Devin Hester where to lineup on certain plays his last year here. You would think that both Marty Booker and Brandon Lloyd would have assumed mentoring roles for Bennett since thats why they were brought in here. That might be the main reason why both of them are no longer here along with their injuries and lack of production.
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Round 1 Hakeem Nicks WR fufills the Bears need to add another playmaker on offense.
Round 2 Lawrence Sidbury DE this adds a young fresh talent to be groomed to replace one of the Bears aging DEs and also is the traditional small school pick that JA takes in the 2nd round.
Round 3 Phil Loadholt RT this fills a glaring need on the right side of the O-line and gives the Bears a huge Big Cat type player with youth.
Round 4 Tyronne Green OG this players stock has been rising since the Senior Bowl and may not be here but if he is he would add some more youth to the interior of the line.
Round 5 Drew Willy QB I believe that you should add a QB via the draft every year and I believe this is an overlooked prospect.
Round 6 Morgan Trent DB the Bears have gotten a lot of mileage out of DBs on the second day of the draft and he fits their scheme.
Round 7 Gartrell Johnson RB he came into prominence in the New Mexico Bowl and practiced well at the Senior Bowl.He would provide a good contrast to Forte.
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Is it your belief then ownership is running the show? If not, I do not see what the point of the 80s bears is.
Does Pitt build through the draft? Yes. But my point is difference between TB and Pitt is TB puts a higher priority on re-signing their own players. They do so, often, by early extensions, which is something Pitt does not do. You mention Ward, but in fact, he was in a VERY hot dispute w/ ownership not long ago because he wanted a new deal, and ownership said it was their policy to not extend players w/ more than one year remaining on their contract. Ward stewed for a year, then finally got his deal done, but many many others have simply been allowed to walk away.
When you draft/coach as well as Pitt, you can get away w/ this. Frankly, I am not sure there is a team in the league that resembles Pitt. Most any other team in the league that would allow as many upper tier players to walk away would not sustain a high level of success, but that is what Pitt has been doing. They draft well. They coach well. They ignore players requests for extensions until they only have one year left. Even then, they don't get extreme in their contracts, which is why so many choose to wait another year and max out in FA.
Angelo is different. From the start, he was looking at players w/ multiple years left on their deals for extensions. He was quite to extend Azumah, and tried to extend Holdman and Colvin when both had two years left.
I can see why some would look at Pitt, or NE, as examples we try to follow. Each build their team primarily through the draft. Angelo is similar in that regard. But I think a big difference is in player retention, which we advocate far above either NE or Pitt, and are far more like TB when Angelo was there.
That was my point really,when I brought up the Bears' of the 80's and the fact that they basically chased off two GMs(Finks and Vanisi) as Mikey got more involved.JA has a background with TB but he also has a background with the NYGs where Parcells and Belechick come from and if you look at how the Giants were run back during the Parcells years you can see similarity to NE today. So what I'm really saying is that the Bears are run in a manner that takes aspects of both organizations personnel styles.This is a lot better than when Mikey and Wannie tried the Jerry Jones style in the 90's.
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No thanks. While I like Duke, just say no to DHB. I like him overall as a prospect, but what makes anyone think we can develop such a raw talent. If we draft him, I think we will see a great player, but not until he leaves the bears. He is simply too raw, and if we are going to draft a WR, I think it has to be a more developed/polished one.
I agree 100% with that assessment because DHB's hands are a little suspect and that was proven at the Combine in drills.This is why I'm higher on Nicks and Robiskie than some of the other WR's.They both are polished route runners and both come from schools that like to run the ball which automatically makes them understand they have to block. Right now DHB reminds me of Troy Williamson.
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Agreed on Britton. IMHO, he is a higher rated prospect than given credit for, but as pure RTs are not valued as high, his value is lower than it should be.
I have no problem w/ the idea of moving up for Nicks or even Robiskie, but I am not a fan of Hicks. Too many drops and a reported lack of concentration worries me. We have had enough issues w/ WRs who struggle to catch the ball to draft one who enters the NFL w/ such questions.
If you have actually watched Hakeem Nicks play in a game like I have ,you wouldn't be talking about him having too many drops.This kid may not have blazing speed but his hands are outstanding.He is one of the guys that believes that the ball is his when its in the air. I think this guy could be similar to Donald Driver at Green Bay.I am a big fan of Nicks and believe he is the number3 WR in the draft behind Crabtree and Macklin.
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W/ the understanding I want to draft OL all the way, I am not sure your statement is true anymore.
Used to be, WRs took 3 years to develop. It was near freakish how exact this was, and across the board. But for some years now, more and more rookie WRs either (a) provide legit production to help their team or (
become major parts of the offense, and even stars, as a rookie. The list only expands if you look at 2nd year players. Why the change, i am not sure, but I think it is definitely there. As for OL, I think it is a tad bit of a misconception that OL is easier to just slide in as a rookie. Heck, Angelo himself said he views OL as one of the hardest position to transition, and used that logic to explain why he preferred veterans over drafting OL.
Agreed and you might think that he might be a little more apprehensive since his to OT number one picks have had injury issues.There is only a couple of skill positions left that JA has not selected in the first round since he has been here and WR is one of them.He has not drafted any players on the perimeter in the first round be it WR,CB or OLB.
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Here's a list of the WR's drafted in rounds 1and 2 since 2004:Bear Picks*
2004
Round 1 Round 2
Larry Fitzgerald Devery Henderson
Roy Williams Darius Watts
Reggie Williams Keary Colbert
Lee Evans
Michael Clayton
Michael Jenkins
Rashaun Woods
2005
Round 1 Round 2
Braylon Edwards Reggie Brown
Troy Williamson Mark Bradley*
Mike Williams Roscoe Parrish
Matt Jones Terrence Murphy
Mark Clayton Vincent Jackson
Roddy White
2006
Round 1 Round 2
Santonio Holmes Chad Jackson
Sinorice Moss
Greg Jennings
Devin Hester*
2007
Round 1 Round 2
Calvin Johnson Sidney Rice
Ted Ginn Jr. Dwayne Jarrett
Steve Smith
2008
Round 1 Round 2
No Wrs Picked Donnie Avery
Devin Thomas
James Hardy
Eddie Royal
DeSean Jackson
Malcolm Kelly
Limas Sweed
Dexter Jackson
Nine of these players were in last year's playoffs and two of them put on one of the best performances in the most recent Super Bowl. So why not draft a WR in the first or 2nd round? It seems like the most mistakes on this list have come from teams from the NFC North.
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Nfo I know what JA has said about which franchise he has come from and has pointed to but that franchise has taken some of the aspects that one of the most cosistent winning franchises over the last 35 years which is longer than Tampa has even existed.The defense that both the Bears and Bucs run was the base defense for the Steelers when they were winning 4 Super Bowls during the 70's the Cover 2.This defense was learned by Tony Dungy as a member of the Steelers secondary and then as a coach on Chuck Nolls staff after his playing days. If we look at the way the Steelers run their franchise today I do recall Hines Ward getting deals renegotiated a couple of times during his career and this past season they franchised one of their OT's.Also they have made a couple of significant additions through trade with Jerome Bettis and Kevin Greene both coming via trade. The bulk of their roster is basically through the draft with a few additions like Charlie Batch,Tommy Maddux and Byron Leftwitch via FA.Back in those days all teams built through the draft and trade here and there because there was no FA.Back in the 80's when the Bears dismantled that team what franchise did they resemble more Tampa or Pittsburgh? When they allowed the likes of Gault,Marshall,McMahon,Dent,Duerson and Wilson leave the team.We still have the same ownership no matter who supposedly is picking the players
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That uncapped year is what is really confusing the issue to me.If you sign a guy and give him a good bonus you should be able to spread it over this year and next and if he sucked this year and you wanted to cut him next year the cap hit shouldn't make a difference since there is no cap.I'm sure the uncapped year may have rules in place for salary guidelines but I wonder how much of Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall's signing bonuses are front loaded for this year and next to manage the cap for the Skins going forward.
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I don't know that NE is the role model Angelo tries to copy. I think it is simply TB. Take a look at what TB did when Angelo was there. They built through the draft, adding some FAs here and there, but those they build through the draft and only used FA to add to the team, not build it. Further, I think TB more than NE made a much harder push to re-sign their own FAs.
To me, TB is far more our model. We run the Tampa two defense, or a similar scheme. We base our team around defense first, special teams next and then offense, which I think also fits with how Angelo has tried to build this team. And Angelo builds the team through the draft, and player retention, w/ a smaller number of FA splashes.
That may not be how TB does things today, but it is what TB did when Angelo was there under McKay, and was the system under which he learned.
Tampa under McKay went after FAs Simeon Rice,Brad Johnson and Keyshawn Johnson at the time all top tier at the time they went after them. They also did a tremendous job in the drafting of players like Brooks,Sapp,Lynch,Barber,Alstott,Dunn etc.
The only top tier FA that the Bears pursued was Musin Mohhammed.Jon Tait was a sought after player that the Bears over paid for at his position which was RT which backed other teams off. All the rest have been minor deals.If I had to say what the Bears model is it would be more like the Steelers with an emphasis on the draft and resigning your core players.The Bears just haven't developed their talent as well as the Steelers.With both these teams being run by families whose sole source of income is the team you can see why they might be similar in how they approach business.
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Guys position chnges are an NFL way of life and once again this is mini camp more than a month before the draft.Why not see what versatility your roster has before you make a final evaluation on players you have targeted in the draft.
Bowman during his Senior Year was injured which is why he was a 2nd day draft pick last year.He spent the beginning part of the season on the practice squad and was activated for the Minnesota game when both Vasher and Tillman had injury issues.Since he was on the practice squad maybe they were giving him reps at FS on Scout team.Either way he played the one game and got injured for the season. To me when players are being asked to switch positions sometimes its a message being sent to current players at those positions. Like maybe Stelz and Manning for instance at safety. At DT moving Idonije back to DE only maybe a vote of confidence for Anthony Adams and a slap at Mark Anderson who has been invisible since his rookie year.
I think desperation would be moving Manning to WR.
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That is so true and the same can be said for assistant coaches getting HC jobs tied to that one guy's success.
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The league cannot afford any kind of work stoppage because of some of the stadium deals that they are on the hook for including the Bears' stadium. IMO there will be some significant movement this year because of the impending uncapped year coming up.The small market teams don't want to compete with Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones for players in an uncapped year.A CBA must be in place for the following year in order to keep salaries in order.
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Some of these trade possibities that are being proposed are interesting but,Im not so sure that a deal couldn't get done if the Bears gave up a 3rd rounder and a starting DE like Ogunleye. I wouldn't give up the first rounder unless I got Denver's 2nd in return.With that being said these head coaches whose reputations have grown because of their associations with star QBs is just hilarious.Holmgren and Shanahan had Montana.Mariucci,Gruden and Reid had Farve.Charlie Weiss had Tom Brady and now Josh Mc Danials has Matt Cassel a one year wonder who hasn't even reached the playoffs.So what does he do.He gets his new gig and immediately pisses off his Pro Bowl QB by trying to bring in a guy who he was familar with at NE.If I'm a rookie HC the first guy I'm trying to get on the same page with is my star QB.This is that NE arrogance.How's Charlie Weiss done with out Brady?How is Crennel done without Bruschi,Seymour and the rest of that bunch?Unless you are getting Belicheck who is running the show in NE ther rest of those guys gone along for the ride.I really want to see what the new Denver HC does without all those great players on the Patriots roster who made things easier for all backup players to step up their game when they are called upon to play.
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Since the Bears have brought in two previous former Rams O-linemen(Miller and St.Clair), I wonder if the Bears might be going after Pace. I personally would like to see them draft and develop some linemen.That has been the one of the things that has been lacking with this coaching staff since they have been here the other thing has been developing a drafted WR.Beekman is the first O-lineman that was drafted by the Bears who started and played more than one game under this staff.In defense of this staff if we look back over the history of JA's picks you can count the O-linemen he has picked on 1 hand.He has always chosen to bring in FA or fringe OL and plug them in.This year its Omiyale.Rueben Brown,Fred Miller,John Tait,Roberto Garza and St.Clair all were similar in the fact that they were veterans that had limited shelf life left.I think they should blow the whole line up and rebuild it with younger players including Kreutz.
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I had a little time on my hands so I looked up all the guys the Bears have taken with their second pick excluding Grossman since he was in the first round.Here is the list:
2002 Roosevelt Williams Tuskegee actually a 3rd rounder.What's he doing now?
2003 Charles Tillman Louisiana Lafayette
2004 Tank Johnson Washington
2005 Mark Bradley Oklahoma
2006 Devin Hester Miami he along with Daniel Manning were picked in the second round with Manning actually being the Bears top pick.
2007 Dan Bazuin Central Michigan What's he doing now?
2008 Matt Forte Tulane
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Good to hear from you. It's been some time.
Yes, I would consider Andre Smith. If I had a top 5 or even a top 10 pick, I would probably pass. As bad as it is to ever miss on a 1st round pick, top 10 picks have the added bonus of killing your cap on misses. At 18, I think you can begin to afford taking greater risks, especially on such high reward. Many considered Andrea Smith the #1 OT prospect in the draft until the combine, even w/ the character flags. So if we could get potentially the top prospect OT at 18, yea I would consider that.
The real question is, would Angelo? He has been burned by some players w/ character issues of late. Even the ones who did not ultimately burn the bridge, it is likely they added to Angelo's heartburn. Will Angelo see past the red flag and take the risk.
I would also point out that he took a risk on another OT last year, also in the 1st round, who had red flags. Yes, those red flags were injury while Smith's is character, but I question whether Angelo would draft consecutative 1st round OTs who many others dropped or removed from their boards due to red flag issues.
Major point nfo! That coupled with the fact that his very first OT pick was Colombo and he too suffered injury issues.So much so that now he is the starter in Dallas .I don't understand what motivates his choices in the first round but your point is well taken and I could see him maybe laying off of an OT in the first round. If he decides to go first round WR I could see him maybe going OT in the second round but I'm not sure the guys from the lesser conferences at OT warrant a 2nd round pick.We know Angelo likes to go for a reach in the 2nd round so names like Sebastian Vollmer of Houston,Augustus Parrish Kent State and Troy Kropog Tulane come into play.
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http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/03/be...sh_bullock.html
I remember liking him when he was coming out, but getting a guy from the terrible New Orleans secondary does not seem like the best move.
I also liked him coming out and its ironic that he gets a chance to replace another former Cornhusker. I watched the way Zack Bowman played in the one game he got a chance to play in and maybe what ever they teach at Nebraska may translate well to the Bears system.
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Wouldn't you at least wait until you had your camp next week to see how he looks compared to Omiyale (who hasn't actually played guard yet)?
No doubt any money saved will immediately be used to bolster our impressive free agent haul this offseason...
There's got to be more to the story than just simply releasing him.I agree with you.Why not wait until mini camp?This only makes sense if the money is being earmarked to bring back St.Clair who is more versatile.
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Okay as a compensatory pick maybe take a chance but even the scouting report I just read confirms that he will not be on the field on the first game of the season and with all the comments about his conditioning,I could see him inactive for most of next season.Stacy Andrews is going to be starting next to his brother Shane for Philly at OT so when they compare an OG to an OT what does that say?