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I guess I made the comment that a move like this will forever to tied to Angelo in terms of legacy. Some then argued this, but that is how I see it. This is a move on such a level that, good or bad, Angelo's legacy will by and large be tied to this move. Disagree for the most part. If Cutler's great, JA's legacy will be that he finally fixed the QB problem. If Cutler is just mediocre, he'll just be another bad QB. Here's why I disagree: Fans generally don't blame JA for spending money on guys who fail. We either blame the player or the coaches. We get pissed when guys like Moose, RMJ, or even Wale cash that huge check and their production drops. We wonder what the hell the coaches are doing. Heck, with Archuletta, we mostly blamed Lovie for wanting "his guy." I'm not saying every fan feels this way, but it happens more often then not. Especially when you compare it to the sheer anger fans feel when a first round pick is a bust (thanks Cedric.) We act like we want to murder JA when he misses on those picks. Trading 2 first rounders will help JA either way. If Cutler's just average, we won't blame JA for trying. If Cutler is horrible, he'll probably be hurt, which again will not be Angelo's fault. The only way I see this trade biting Angelo in the ass is if Orton becomes better then Cutler. If that's the case, JA might as well start packing his bags. Anyway, back to the original point. We made a massive move in getting Cutler, and I believe we will now insure that move w/ a WR in the 2nd round. Agreed. Again, everything we've said or done indicates that this is the direction were headed. IMO, it's not a question of WR vs. safety, but it's just a question of which WR will it be.

Yes Cutler looked just awesome. Watching him compared to Hanie & Basanez reminded me of that scene from Billy Madison where Adam Sandler is beating the hell out of 4th graders with a dodge ball. But here's what scares me: Is Cutler THAT good, or is Hanie & Bassanez that bad? My guess is that it's a combination of the two. Orton & Grossman's arms don't match Cutlers, but they're way better then our two back-ups. I'm just saying we need to sign a servicable #2 off the scrap-heap.

Sheesh . . . are you suggesting we go WR in rounds 2 & 3??? I'm not a fan of that idea. Not unless somebody slips. I'm sure we will draft two WR's . . . last year we took Bennett in round 3 & Monk in round 7. I hate to even speculate after the early rounds, and I sure as hell don't think we'll take two in a row.

You make a lot of sense, but I see one MAJOR flaw with your theory: The Bears need TWO WR's. If the season started today, we have enough competent NFL players to fill every position . . . excpet for WR. And don't forget we NEVER showed interest in a WR even before the Cutler trade. And when free agency hit back at the end of February, there's no way in hell we know Cutler would be available or that we'd have a crack at him. Rashied Davis is a great back-up & special teams guy, Earl Bennett projects as a slot receiver, and we've hinted we'll reduce Hester's receiving time to focus on getting him back to being a great punt-returner. Hell, we might need 3 WR's. Not to mention that anybody at this point will fall into one of two categories: 1. Fairly big money (Tori Holt & Plaxico) 2. Dirt freakin' cheap (think Brandon Lloyd & Marty Booker) There's absolutely no reason to wait to sign a guy.

So let me get this straight: You're upset because we're thinking about "reaching" for a player in the 2nd round? A better question would be: When the hell haven't we reached for a guy in the 2nd round? Just to name a few: 2008--Matt Forte: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he considered something like a 5th rounder before the senior bowl & the combine? Even then, Bear fans were furious that Angelo drafted a guy in round 2 who'd have been there in round 3. (Steal) 2007--Dan Bazuin: HUGE reach at #2. Projected much later. (Bust) 2006--Devin Hester: Again, Bear fans were furious we reached for a player who'd have been there later. (Steal) 2006--D Manning: Actually I think he was picked around where he was supposed to go. (Push) 2005--Mark Bradley: Bear fans were flat out PISSED. JA justified it by saying Green Bay was trying to trade up to get him. (Injured) 2004--Tank Johnson: A "Value Pick" (Turd) 2003--Charles Tillman: Bear fans everywhere were asking, "How the hell do we take a guy from Louisiana Lafayette in round 2? (Steal) Honestly, JA's 3 best 2nd round picks were considered "reaches." So do we draft a guy like Iglesias in round two just because that's where he's projected to go?

You're preaching to the choir here NFO. Literally everything we have said & done in our pre-draft preparations, from not bothering to sign a veteran WR, to bringing in just about every potential 2nd round WR pick for a workout, indicates we're locked into a WR in the 2nd round. Think about it this way: We only have 3 NFL caliber WR's on the roster, yet we've not been rumored to be interested in a SINGLE WR. How the hell is the possible unless we're extremely comfortable with a player who's likely to be available in round #2. In a previous post I suggested that we've known this for months. Up until the point we traded for Cutler, we planned on drafting an OT in round #1. But the #1 pick went bye-bye, and we signed Pace IMMEDIATELY afterwords. Agree with your ideas on drafting a safety in round 3. There should be a few solid FS's available when we pick. The one thing I'd disagree with is Angelo's fate being tied to Cutler. Mainly because seemingly every Bear fan wanted the guy. He won't receive too much grief for this. Ultimately his fate will be tied to what it's always been tied too: Wins and losses. And Angelo's Bear teams have proven they can win with really bad quarterback play.

This was posted on PFT tonight. I know Hoof won't be happy to read this, but I can't help being reminded of last year at this time when everyone was debating whether we'd draft Matt Forte with our 2nd or 3rd pick. Massaquoi To Bears? Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 15, 2009, 5:11 p.m. University of Georgia wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi has been projected as the Chicago Bears’ second-round draft pick with the 49th overall selection, according to Mike Mayock of NFL Network and Mel Kiper of ESPN. During a conference call today, Mayock, citing league sources, told reporters that Massaquoi is one of the fastest-rising prospects in the draft. Massaquoi is scheduled to visit the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday. He has previously visited the Tennessee Titans and has had private workouts for the Bears, New England Patriots and the Detroit Lions. A few other possible landing spots for Massaquoi are the San Francisco 49ers’ No. 43 overall selection and the Patriots’ No. 47 overall pick. At the NFL Scouting Combine, he conducted formal interviews with the 49ers, Cowboys and Baltimore Ravens. An All-Southeastern Conference selection and four-year starter, Massaquoi caught 58 passes for 920 yards and eight touchdowns last season. His career totals are 158 receptions, 2,282 yards and 16 touchdowns. The 6′2,” 210-pounder ran the 40-yard dash in 4.49 seconds at his Pro Day workout.

A friend of mine has diabetes, and she has a pump that moniters her blood sugar . . . and she's a freakin' alcoholic. I wouldn't be concerned about it.

No, because I think we could get a better and more sure player elsewhere with the 49 pick. If one of the top 7 don't fall to 49 (and I highly doubt they will get that far) then I think we should look elsewhere. I don't like drafting for need just for needs sake, it's a rather myopic way of looking at the draft. Now tell me that we are going to grab the BPA of WR, FS, DE, OL, or even LB and I'll be a happy man, because that means we will get a lot closer to grabbing the true BPA on our board. I agree with what your saying 100% (although your use of the word 'myopic' makes me wonder if you're an optomologist.) But what I'm saying is that we ARE going to be focusing purely on the WR position. If you don't believe me, think about what we've done: 1. Lose Grossman & Orton, replace them with Cutler & Basanez (definite upgrade) 2. Lose Tait & St. Clair, replace them with Pace, Amiyale, & Shaffer (again, definite upgrade) 3. Lose Mike Brown, replace him with Bullocks, and younger players like Steltz & Bowman (not an upgrade . . . but it's really not worse) 4. Lose Booker & Lloyd and replaced them with . . . nothing. (Bad gets slightly worse)

You were correct! Leftwich signed with Tampa Bay. That makes sense for him. There he gets to compete with Brian Griese and the Tampa Bay fans can piss and moan that whoever is the #2 QB should be the guy who is starting. (Damn I hope those days are actually over!!!) Any Bear fan wanting Leftwich after we brought in Cutler is still thinking about it in terms of: Our starting QB will suck . . . better have a good back-up. I pissed & moaned about Hanie as our #3. But Cutler hasn't missed a game in 3 years. More importantly, no matter how bad Cutler is, at least for this year he'll be the starter.

I haven't committed myself to drafting a safety. Maybe you haven't committed to a safety, but haven't the Bears basically committed ourselves to drafting a WR? Just like we committed ourselves to drafting an OT in round #1 last year, and we probably decided we were going RB in round #2. Based on our lack of movement, it seems apparant we'll draft a WR at #49 (barring someone falling to us unexpectedly . . . or trading down where we would still draft a WR with out first pick) From what I've seen, I'm not terribly impressed by the reach that will be required to grab a WR at our spot. Would it really be a reach??? Everything seems to suggest there will be a run on WR's in rounds 2 & 3. You can debate who's worth it, but the Bears are in a pretty good position to get a WR they want. By the time we draft again that guy will be gone. At the very least, that one dude from Oklahoma who sang the duet with Willie Nelson should be around, and he's universally reguarded as a #2 pick. The only committing I've seen is one of success, one of winning. I believe JA and the coaching staff is stocking up for a Super Bowl run this year. Shouldn't this be a two year plan? I like the idea of Cutler taking us back to the promised land in year one, but realistically, it's going to take him a year to reach his full potential with this team. I think that if the choice is between 8th best WR and 3rd best Safety at the Bears' selection in the 2nd round, then you choose the best value...which is the Safety. Hell, depending on how things fall, there's a chance we could get the best safety. But we'd be ignoring the fact that: 1. WR is by far our weakest position. 2. There should be a pretty good safety available at the end of round 3. On top of that, I still think that OG and S are stronger needs than WR...so I don't think has to be a WR drafted there. How can you say that when we really only have 3 WR's on the roster? And all 3 are bad/mediocre/unproven. For safety & OG: OG: I'm excited to see what Frank Omiyale can do, can Beekman & Garza improve, and will Buenning compete for a roster spot. Safety: We're not great, but we're ok with Payne & Steltz & SS. As for FS, Bullocks was a former #2 pick, and we're likely to add a guy in the draft.

I do have to give you credit . . . you sure as hell know you're college football. There's really only one thing you say I have a problem with: You mention Hester would have been better if he'd had another year of college. That's definitely true. But wouldn't that be true of most guys? Wouldn't Louis Murphy be one helluva a lot better next year if he could play a 5th year? Yes, you did back that up with Hester by saying, "Some guys just ooze that game breaking football player feel while being phenomenal athletes" . . . but how doesn't that equate to Tebow? Hell, at the very least wouldn't Tebow make one helluva a TE? So would you be ok if the Bears drafted Iglesias?

That's possible, but teams will overlook that sort of thing to a point. For what it's worth, nfldraftcountdown has Harvin going #17, PFT #26, and Kiper has him going #30. Everyone agrees that he has the ability to be an explosive "game-changer." I'd be shocked as hell if he's still there at #49, but you never know. No way he lasts until round 3.

But most of what you're saying is based on what you saw from watching college football, which in many cases doesn't mean a damn thing. Did you think Devin Hester should have been a 2nd round draft pick??? Based on what he did in college, there's no way in hell he should have been. Mark Bradley's a decent WR when healthy, and he didn't even play WR in college. How's he a 2nd round pick? Hell, Tim Tebow should be the #1 overall draft pick . . . except he wouldn't be anywhere near that which is why he opted to stay in college another year. Kiper's wrong way more then he's right, but his full time job is to analyze incoming football players and he's done this for years. I take in what he says as being an interesting point of view, no more, no less. All I give a damn about is that we take the best WR available, mainly because we're desperate at that position. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised is we drafted Louis Murphy at #49. Not because he's a great WR, but because he has great size & speed. A player like Murphy entering the NFL doesn't translate into your experiences of sitting on your butt and watching college football.

On one hand, I'd love to see us draft a safety, especially when we might have our first crack at one. On the other hand, haven't we committed ourselves to drafting a WR? According to Kiper's mock, we'd be taking the 8th best WR. If we wait until our next pick at #99, they'll have been 15 WR's taken. What Kiper is saying is comparable to what everyone else is saying. While our safety position sucks, we added Josh Bullocks & Earl Glenn, and it looks like we're considering moving Zack Bowman to FS. At WR we have Rashied, Hester, Bennett, and a couple of guys who won't be in the NFL next year. Yikes. After WR, we need to go "best player available" with every pick. We have lots of flexibility. But it'd be crazy not to take a WR at #49.

If Kiper is right... Oher and Britton would have been ours in the 1st Damn good point. Is there any doubt in your mind we'd have taken a OT in round 1 if we still had the pick? Especially when you consider: 1. We had no interest in Pace until the Cutler talks heated up. 2. We signed Pace an hour after we traded for Cutler. That tells me, we planned on taking an OT all along, but that plan changed as soon as we traded away our draft pick. All the good WR's are taken and we draft another Mohammed We may not take Massaquoi, but I'm convinced there are WR's we REALLY like who we think will be available in round two. This reminds me of last year when we did nothing with our OT position, since we knew a guy like Chris Williams would be available (and if he wasn't, Brandon Albert and a couple other guys would have been.) Same thing with our RB position last year. My guess is if Forte had been gone, we'd have taken Kevin Smith. Not bad. We're going to take the best WR available at #49 . . . now it's just a matter of who that might be. Duke Robinson would have been there for our 3rd Duke's stock is dropping. After WR, I think we have enough flexibility where we can truly go for best player available. Damn Cutler trade! Just kidding. LOL I'm still beside myself and actually can't argue with any of the picks. Hell yes!!! And whatever offensive player we draft will be much better because of Cutler.

No, you're right. There are only 8 WRs worth a first day pick this year, and he isn't one of them. If the top 7 aren't there at 49, then we should be looking elsewhere without a doubt, IMO, because anyone else would be a major reach based on BPA talent. Huh? First off, you say there are only 8 WR's worth a first day pick . . . with this mock, Massaquoi is #8. If there are 8 who are worth it, why wouldn't we take the 8th one??? Secondly, Kiper has 9 WR's going in the first 2 rounds. NFLdraftcountdown has 9 WR's going in the first 2 rounds. More importantly, Kiper has 15 WR's being taken in the first 3 rounds. That's very consistent with everything else I've read. Considering WR is our greatest need, isn't it essential we grab one at #49? Heck, I'd rather have Sherrod Martin (provided Shad is gone) every day of the week over Mass there, and I don't consider him solid value at 49. I would even rather grab Sidbury there, and again, I don't consider him solid value at all at 49. Those are just a couple examples of how little I value Mass. Kiper may be responsible for making the draft the event that it is today, but his mocks aren't even good at gauging players slot value anymore. What the hell? Will Sherrod Martin even be drafted? EVERY expert agrees that Massaquoi will likely be a 2nd round pick, 4th round at the absolute latest.

As per Lindy's Draft Magazine, Chris Clemons is a free safety, mainly because he's very lanky and doesn't have much bulk. That's the reason they projected that he wouldn't go until the 5th round. With Dannieal Manning moving to nickel-back full time, after WR, FS is our weakest position.

I'd be happy with this: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/ins...tory?id=4054695 It's almost been a month since Todd McShay and I released our dual mock drafts, and a lot has changed. We've seen most of the pro days for draft-eligible players that enable them to showcase their abilities in a comfortable environment, and we've gotten the results from some of the private workouts that some of the top players have to go through for teams. Below is a look at how I see the first four rounds shaking out at this point in the predraft process. 1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16) Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia: Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 overall pick, thanks to his overall skill set. 2. St. Louis Rams (2-14) Jason Smith, OT, Baylor: The OT spot is strong at the top with Smith, a former tight end who is supremely athletic and exactly what you want in a left tackle: someone you can count on to protect the blind side of your quarterback. 3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14) Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest: He's a complete OLB with great character and work ethic, which is why it was no surprise when he nailed his combine workout. 4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12) Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia: Monroe is just a shade below Jason Smith, in my opinion, but is a legit top-five pick. 5. Cleveland Browns (4-12) Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech: The stress fracture in his left foot shouldn't affect his draft status. He's a big-time player who should have a Larry Fitzgerald-type career in the NFL. 6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1) Andre Smith, OT, Alabama: Smith has to manage his weight in order to remain on the left side. If he doesn't, he's a mauler at right tackle who could really assist the running game and do the job at that spot in pass protection. Hopefully, he'll maximize his skills in the NFL by paying more attention to detail. If he doesn't, you're looking at a major bust. 7. Oakland Raiders (5-11) Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri: Maclin will have to adjust to an NFL offense, but I really like his big-play capability and the fact that he's much more explosive with the pads on than his 4.46-second 40-yard dash at the combine would lead you to believe. 8. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11) Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas: I view Orakpo as a 4-3 end with the ability to also play on his feet in a 3-4 as an attacking outside linebacker. He is super-athletic and incredibly strong, but there is concern about his durability. 9. Green Bay Packers (6-10) B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College: Raji is the top defensive tackle in this draft. 10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9) Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State: Maybin is another combo-type who is explosive out of the blocks and relentless in his pursuit of the quarterback. 11. Buffalo Bills (7-9) Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee: Ayers enjoyed a solid season in the SEC and then was one of the standouts during Senior Bowl week. He ran the 40 in 4.80 at the combine, though, which could give some teams pause. 12. Denver Broncos (8-8) Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU: Jackson would be ideal in a 3-4, thanks to his ability to shift inside in passing situations. 13. Washington Redskins (8-8) Mark Sanchez, QB, USC: Sanchez definitely is one of the top five to eight players available in this draft, and getting him here would be a bit of a steal, because had he returned to USC for his senior season, he likely would have been the No. 1 overall pick. 14. New Orleans Saints (8-8) Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State: Wells is a nice fit for the Saints after they let running back Deuce McAllister go in the offseason. He could be a perfect complement to Reggie Bush. 15. Houston Texans (8-8) Brian Cushing, OLB, USC: Cushing's ability to fit both inside and outside is the reason I've always viewed him as a surefire first-rounder. 16. San Diego Chargers (8-8) Rey Maualuga, LB, USC: Maualuga is capable of becoming a quality "Mike" linebacker in the NFL but needs to use his hands better to ward off blocks and must be more consistent from week to week. 17. New York Jets (9-7) Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland: Heyward-Bey's awesome size-speed ratio should win out here and give the Jets the kind of receiver they need to open up the passing game. 18. Denver Broncos (from Chicago) (8-8) Everette Brown, DE, Florida State: Brown could make an immediate impact in the Broncos' defense because of his strong skill set. 19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7) Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State: Freeman is an interesting prospect because he throws a great ball and has imposing size at nearly 6-foot-6 and 245 pounds. However, his inconsistent play puts him in the boom-or-bust category. 20. Detroit Lions (from Dallas) (0-16) Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi: Oher is one of the more intriguing prospects in the draft. He's loaded with talent and can dominate the defense he's working against, but he also seems to have lapses in concentration when he struggles to keep his opponents at bay. 21. Philadelphia Eagles (9-6-1) Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia: There isn't anything remotely close to the talent and depth at running back available in the draft last year, but Moreno is a good fit for the Eagles at this spot. 22. Minnesota Vikings (10-6) Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers: Britt has a ton of talent and is just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential. 23. New England Patriots (11-5) Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut: Brown could end up being one of the more productive rookie backs in 2009 because of his all-around skills and tremendous character. 24. Atlanta Falcons (11-5) Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State: Pettigrew remains the No. 1 tight end on the board and would be a help to young Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan. 25. Miami Dolphins (11-5) Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State: Jenkins has all the qualities you look for, with the exception of top-flight recovery speed, which is an obvious concern. Even so, he's too good an overall performer to pass up in the middle of the first round. 26. Baltimore Ravens (11-5) Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois: Davis is an impressive physical specimen, but he lacked consistency with the Illini, not always performing at the elite level you would expect from a player with his natural talent and ability. He'll be a gamble. 27. Indianapolis Colts (12-4) Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi: Jerry is a very underrated prospect, and would be a good fit in the Indianapolis scheme. 28. Philadelphia Eagles (from 12-4 CAR) (9-6-1) Eben Britton, OT, Arizona: Britton could be a good fit for the Eagles' offensive line, although I would have liked to see him return for his senior year. 29. New York Giants (12-4) Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina: Nicks won't wow you in a workout, but on game day he makes the tough catches and is the type of player who wants the ball thrown his way in clutch situations. 30. Tennessee Titans (13-3) Percy Harvin, WR, Florida: Harvin reminds me of the Reggie Bush we now see with the Saints. You can utilize Harvin in a number of ways, and, like Bush, he's a scoreboard-changer. However, he also carries the same durability concerns as Bush. 31. Arizona Cardinals (9-7) Larry English, LB, Northern Illinois: English set the all-time sack record at Northern Illinois, and could be an impact player in Arizona. 32. Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4) Eric Wood, C, Louisville: Wood has been a player on the rise of late, and with his size and skills he could find himself a Steeler for a very long time. Second round 33. Detroit Lions: James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio St. 34. New England Patriots (from KC) : Connor Barwin, DE/LB, Cincinnati 35. St. Louis Rams: Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut 36. Cleveland Browns: Clay Matthews, LB, USC 37. Seattle Seahawks: William Moore, S, Missouri 38. Cincinnati Bengals: Alex Mack, C, California 39. Jacksonville Jaguars: Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio St. 40. Oakland Raiders: Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma 41. Green Bay Packers: William Beatty, OT, Connecticut 42. Buffalo Bills: Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina 43. San Francisco 49ers: Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest 44. Miami Dolphins (from Washington): Jarron Gilbert, DL, San Jose St. 45. New York Giants (from New Orleans): Shawn Nelson, TE, So. Mississippi 46. Houston Texans: Ziggy Hood, DT, Missouri 47. New England Patriots (from San Diego): Sean Smith, CB, Utah 48. Denver Broncos: Ron Brace, DT, Boston College 49. Chicago Bears: Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia 50. Cleveland Browns (from Tampa Bay): LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh 51. Dallas Cowboys: Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan 52. New York Jets: Andre Brown, RB, North Carolina St. 53. Philadelphia Eagles: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech 54. Minnesota Vikings: Max Unger, C, Oregon 55. Atlanta Falcons: Sherrod Martin, DB, Troy 56. Miami Dolphins: Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia 57. Baltimore Ravens: Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma 58. New England Patriots: Pat White, WR, West Virginia 59. Carolina Panthers: Roy Miller, DT, Texas 60. New York Giants: Kaluka Maiava, LB, USC 61. Indianapolis Colts: Derrick Williams, WR, Penn St. 62. Tennessee Titans: D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt 63. Arizona Cardinals: Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa 64. Pittsburgh Steelers: Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon Third round 65. Detroit: Patrick Chung, S, Oregon 66. St. Louis : Lawrence Sidbury, DE, Richmond 67. Kansas City: Andy Levitre, OL, Oregon St. 68. Seattle : Donald Washington, CB, Ohio St. 69. Dallas (from Cleveland): Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly 70. Cincinnati: Paul Kruger, DE, Utah 71. Oakland: Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama 72. Jacksonville: Bradley Fletcher, CB, Iowa 73. Green Bay: Cody Brown, LB, Connecticut 74. San Francisco: Darcel McBath, S, Texas Tech 75. Buffalo: T.J. Lang, OL, Eastern Michigan 76. New York Jets (from New Orleans): Richard Quinn, TE, North Carolina 77. Houston Texans: Keenan Lewis, CB, Oregon St. 78. San Diego: Jamon Meredith, OL, South Carolina 79. Denver: Asher Allen, CB, Georgia 80. Washington: Kyle Moore, DE, USC 81. Tampa Bay: Alex Magee , DT, Purdue 82. Detroit (from Dallas): Fili Moala, DT, USC 83. Green Bay (from New York Jets): Tony Fiammetta, FB, Syracuse 84. Denver (from Chicago): Louis Murphy, WR, Florida 85. Philadelphia: Deon Butler, WR, Penn St. 86. Minnesota: Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma 87. Miami: Cedric Peerman, RB, Virginia 88. Baltimore : Anthony Hill, TE, North Carolina St. 89. New England: Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida 90. Atlanta: Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama 91. New York Giants: Tyronne Green, OG, Auburn 92. Indianapolis : Jason Phillips, LB, TCU 93. Carolina: Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin 94. Tennessee: Marcus Freeman, LB, Ohio St. 95. Arizona: Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri 96. Pittsburgh: Quinten Lawrence, WR, McNeese St. 97. New England (comp selection): Scott McKillop, LB, Pittsburgh 98. Cincinnati (comp selection): Rashad Jennings, RB, Liberty 99. Chicago (comp selection): Chris Clemons, S, Clemson 100. New York Giants (comp selection): Glen Coffee, RB, Alabama Fourth round 101. Dallas (from Detroit): Ladarius Webb, DB, Nicholls St. 102. Kansas City : Dannell Ellerbe, LB, Georgia 103. St. Louis: Johnny Knox, WR, Abilene Christian 104. Cleveland : Coye Francies, CB, San Jose St. 105. Seattle: James Davis, RB, Clemson 106. Cincinnati: Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU 107. Jacksonville: Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston St. 108. Miami (from Oakland): Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina 109. Green Bay: Zack Follett, LB, California 110. Buffalo: Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson 111. San Francisco: Mike Goodson, RB, Texas A&M 112. Houston: David Veikune, DE, Hawaii 113. San Diego: Emanuel Cook, S, South Carolina 114. Denver: Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest 115. New York Jets (from Washington): Mitch King, DL, Iowa 116. New Orleans: Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida 117. Dallas: Herman Johnson, OG, LSU 118. New Orleans (from N.Y. Jets): A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn St. 119. Chicago: Christopher Owens, CB, San Jose St. 120. Tampa Bay: Austin Collie, WR, BYU 121. Philadelphia: James Casey, TE, Rice 122. Houston (from Minnesota): Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona 123. Baltimore: Darry Beckwith, LB, LSU 124. New England: Dan Gay, OT, Baylor 125. Atlanta: Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington St. 126. Oakland (from Miami): Gerald Cadogan, OT, Penn St. 127. Indianapolis: Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan St. 128. Carolina : Mike Wallace, WR, Mississippi 129. New York Giants: Gregory Toler, CB, St. Paul's 130. Tennessee: Louis Vasquez, OG, Texas Tech 131. Arizona: Corvey Irvin, DT, Georgia 132. Pittsburgh: Sen'Derrick Marks, DL, Auburn 133. San Diego (comp selection): Ellis Lankster, CB, West Virginia 134. San Diego (comp selection): Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson 135. Tennessee (comp selection): Terrance Taylor, DT, Michigan 136. Indianapolis (comp selection): Jonathan Casillas, LB, Wisconsin

I think you're being excessively harsh on Holt... I don't mean to be harsh, living somewhat near St. Louis, I know the guy has been a terrific player and a terrific teammate. I sure as hell wouldn't complain if we signed him. I just don't think it's a good idea. 33 isn't horrid. It's younger than Harrison and I think just slightly older than when Moose came here. It's not his age I have a problem with . . . it's the fact he's a receiver who relies heavily on his speed, plays best in a dome, and now he has a bad knee and would be playing in Chicago. What the heck have Hacket or Jones ever done? I'd rather roll the dice with our own guys than have Tony Montana's relative from the US on the club. More snow falls out of that guy's car than on a ski slope. I'm not even sure what to say a bout Hackett other than he seemed high on fantasy lists...until he didn't pan out. Jones's last arrest was for violating his probation by drinking beer on a golf course. At least he didn't threaten to shoot a cop (thanks Tank). Hackett's always been hurt. I'm not in love with either guy, but I like the prospect of having young WR's with talent. I honestly think our team could use a vertan presence. Holt appears to fit the bill. We're not looking for a savior...we're just looking for a servicable guy for a few years while Devin, Bennett, and maybe a new draftee learn the ropes behind him. I'd be saying the exact same thing as you if it wasn't for Moose & Booker. Here's my biggest issue with Holt: I'm starting to fall in love with the idea that Olsen, Hester, & Bennett can be freaking great with Cutler.

Normally I'd agree with you about the rookies, but last season Eddie Royal was a 2nd round draft pick who caught for 980 yards with 5 touchdowns. DeSean Jackson was a 2nd round pick who caught for 982 yards. Apparantly if you have a good QB, good things can happen. I've liked Holt, but they say with his bad knee he's never going to be the same. Considering we're not a dome, I just don't think it's a good fit. I have to reiterate the fact that I want to see what the players we already have can do with a very good quarterback.

So your saying that we're going to sign Holt because: 1. He's not a turd like the other two. 2. He's former teammates with Orlando Pace. And you still believe this even though: 1. Holt's agent said it wasn't going to happen. 2. Holt is a speed receiver who plays best in a dome. 3. Holt will be 33 in June and is listed as 6-0, 190 (Burress will be 32 in August and is 6-5, 232--HUGE difference in size) 4. Angelo's said great things about Bennett, Hester & Olsen and wants them to develop. Don't forget that in Angelo's end of the year press conference, he talked about fixing the QB position, NOT the WR position. Most importantly, we brought in Moose & Booker, and they both sucked. Do we really want another broken down WR who will hinder the development of the guys we have? I wouldn't have a problem with a younger player like Jones, but no more old guys. Sign a young WR who's still available for cheap (like DJ Hackett or Matt Jones). Draft a guy with the #49 pick, and lets see what happens.

Good luck with that Bengals. Didn't Tank Johnson bitch about Cedric Benson after he left Chicago?

Since our #49 pick is essentially our #1 pick, I'm curious to see who the mocksters have us taken. I found one updated mock but it still has us taking Duke Robinson. Not that I would mind seeing us take the Duke, but we've already added 3 good offensive lineman. We have far more pressing needs at WR, safety & DE.

How much did the Cowboys & Bengals benefit??? After two seasons of Tank the Cowboys failed to win a playoff game, and said "Don't let the door hit you in the ass Tank." Cedric Benson looked good against really, really bad defenses. I remember he tore it up vs. Cleveland and went for like 20 yards the next week vs. Pittsburgh. Too much upheaval is a bad thing, and we were 9 & 7 last year. Draft a WR in round 2, pick up one off the scrap-heap for cheap and see what you have.