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to me it was not impressive. we put tait who had near pro-bowl quality at right tackle which is the reason he got the huge contract into a position the chiefs were smart enough to look for other help at. so he played out most of his huge contract in chicago out of position and at an average quality. reuben brown was a great stop-gap guard with enough in the tank for time for a high quality draft pick to be groomed to fill in. the problem was we never drafted his replacement. olin kreutz was a good center with a few years of quality play left. again we never drafted his replacement and that is why an average quality aging guard started there last season and this season we STILL have nothing close to a pro-bowl quality center to step in. garza was again an average at best guard who we still haven't considered drafting a replacement. de ja' vue all over again. miller was on the last leg as a tackle and we milked that bull for a full year longer than was sane. we replaced him with an aging end of HIS career RT in tait who failed miserably and retired. did we have a draftee to fill in at this spot? hell no!! we keep adding stop gap players or tweeners and run them out until they are beat into the ground and give us the crap we watch year in and year out on our offense with no relief in sight.

i don't think it's a matter of your team doing pretty good. it's a matter of the abuse your top player can absorb over the life of his career. it's like a heavyweight fight. the body blows although not seeming to effect the outcome, add up over the rounds and really do make a difference in whether he can absorb that much punishment that will wear down his strength and effect his ability to still fight at a high level. so you not only have the chance to end his career in one blow but certainly shorten it with added smaller injuries and abuse over time. also... the packers have been drafting OL for some time now because they do realize this.

1. a lot of players are predicted to go in X round end up being undrafted. the G we picked up, james brown, was projected as a 3rd round pick. even if this guy projected as a 5th or 6th with his very real and serious off-field problems there was a real possibility he would never have been drafted at all. he wasn't even listed as a TE but FB in USA Today Draft Preview. so it was a very poor choice that even on their board, which to me is mindboggling, it would have been much wiser and smarter to look for him in the 6th. if he turns out to be a good player it was not a real need for this team as we just signed a good blocking FB in clutts and at TE we have an excellent blocking spaeth (sp) and a just signed davis. so where is he going to fit in? do we sit hester or bennett to get him playing time in a multiple receiver set? he certainly doesn't get the nod as a good *blocker by any means. 2. i keep hearing that he is compared to aaron hernandez. by who? the only comparrisons i have heard are from his former coach at temple who did coach hernandez and... himself. anyone have any links to where a viable draft site has him listed as such? one more item on this... it is very misleading for anyone to say he was reviewed on the patriots board. i went to that link, http://www.patriots.com/media-center/video...c1-0411f697e71d and it is by no means relating to being on the patriots DRAFT board. there would be absolutely no reason he would be as they have the real hernandez and he is only in his second year in the NFL. 3. my final say... even if he turns out to be a good player, he was a very big reach in the 4th round for someone we usually send packing for even half of the serious problems this guy has already displayed and a player at a position that we don't remotely need to fill at this time while the rest of our team suffers from quality ball players. even drafting a DT would have made more sense at this spot but i believe the best pick here would have been the S/CB we picked up in the 3rd round a whole round (and maybe more) than he would have gone. *WEAKNESSES Rodriguez is almost nonexistent in the pass game, and his athletic ability is suspect when watching him work in attempt to get to the second level and block linebackers. He may have a tough time winning with strength or speed at the next level, two traits that players in his role often rely on to out-match would-be defenders since he is smaller than some linebackers and definitely not as fast as safeties. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/eva...guez?id=2532991 --------------------- Undersized and lacks ideal measureables, showing tweener traits. Doesn't have overwhelming strength and lacks much build or muscle definition. Not a sudden athlete and lacks ideal speed, struggling to separate in tight spaces. His blocking leaves a lot to be desired, lacking the power to create running lanes. Fails to square-up his target consistently and doesn't sustain blocks long enough, struggling with blocking angles. Raw as a route runner and is a bit stiff when trying to swiftly redirect his momentum. Needs to develop more of a finishing attitude to pick up as many yards as possible. A smaller target and allows too many balls into his body. Had only one career rush attempt at Temple with underwhelming overall production, finishing with only 7 career scores in 28 starts as a three-year starter. He was considered lazy and an underachiever his first three seasons in college. NFL Comparison: James Casey, Houston Texans -- Dane Brugler http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players.../evan-rodriguez ---------------- Not tough or physical — could stand to get stronger and become more of a finisher. Gets outmuscled in line. Too reliant on athletic ability — not a savvy route runner. Limited elusiveness and tackle-breaking ability. Is immature and does not know what it means to be a pro. Character and dependability need to be investigated. Summary: Athletic, finesse, high-maintenance “move” player with tweener traits and off-the-field red flags. Would benefit from the presence of a demanding father-figure presence in a city far from the East Coast, where trouble has followed him http://cache.profootballweekly.com/prospec...n-rodriguez-88/

if it was a joke or sarcasm my bad and my apology. if not then so it goes.

hey how is this for a scintillating remark... stick it where the sun don't shine A$$HOLE!!!

ok then my apologies. it's just frustrating to have something like that done for no reason. this is a draft day where there will be a lot of people bitching and a lot of people happy but it's still not a reason to absorb someones posts into another thread at this point.

oh, well by all means let me know what WOULD throw off enough sparks to keep my threads on this board. you want it full of four lettered words or hate crime comments from me for it to be strong enough for YOU to leave a post on this board???? glad to see GOD is here and watching.

yes it appears to have been merged. whether all the posts are there or not i don't know. it also is put in a huge thread that may or may not even make sense in regards to my new thread post. also nobody ever said a word about it.

i'm sorry but i don't. it involved rodriguez in the title and a fourth round pick. i don't start many threads on this site and the only one in recent history was the pre-draft info post. so not a lot of posts.

well, there were about 3 or 4 people who had commented in that thread not to mention all my replies. ask alaskan grizzly or Dabears sox. so unless an evan rodriguez titled post is somehow invisible on my computer it has been deleted by someone with admin authorization.

i started a post/thread about our 4th round draft pick and expressed my dissatisfaction over it. there were no untruths and no blasphemy. it's now gone. why?

or am i missing something?

would you have drafted a fullback in round four with all the needs that are REAL on this team considering we have a good blocking FB in clutts and this guy is a weak blocker and small? if expressing my great displeasure with a wasted pick this high when we have passed up multiple chances to add excellent to very good players on our offensive line is piling on then so be it, i am going to pile on until i hear his bones crack. it doesn't matter one iota how this player turns out. he was drafted way to early at a position of strength when we have multiple needs to even become average at many positions. as far as your "war room" reference: i guess you STILL believe angelo was the savior of this franchise because HE was in the war room and we dumb fans have no business contradicting any of his moves and picks? right? LOL!!!

BS?? yea this guy is a PEACH!! so, who wouldn't want a character guy like this at a position you don't need to fill in the 4th round? where is your "knowledge" to repute this coming from? EDIT.. ok i read your post of more research while i was typing the above. but still... this was a bad pick.

you can't be serious. "He was not going to last much longer"?? who drafts a project, knucklehead, small school fullback with SERIOUS off-field issues in the 4th round of the NFL draft? ANSWER: only the chicago bears

1. that is correct, we "don't have an offense that has played a game under Tice". neither has anyone else. *tice is such an unknown that we actually were looking to double up our OC position to a passing OC and a running OC before emery showed up. 2. his size is 6' 1 1/2", so much for size. he doesn't even project to be an nfl tight end but an H-back or fullback. he is listed as the 7th best TE (with those measurables i listed above) in Pro Football Draft Guide. 3. i'm sorry, but with those real off-field issues and that he played at temple after getting kicked out of a major school and will play in specialized downs makes this an al davis, at his worst, senile pick. this guy would not have been drafted before the 7th round and that is being generous. i say he would have easily been a walk-on undrafted player. to WASTE 4th round pick while we have so many real problems and issues on this team is inexcusable. 4. i really have been biting my fingers since this draft started. we pick a DE or LB or whatever the hell he is who is not even close to being the top 3 in this draft and left the best offensive guard and the 2nd best offensive LT who is projected as a great up and coming player on the board to do it. i can live with this pick if he shows me something though in my opinion it was DUMB. 2nd round? fine i had some hope. 3rd round? again i am scratching my head why we picked an injured safety player on a safety glutted team when again we are destitute at the OL position that is key to keep our franchise qb alive. THIS would have been the good 4th round pick and in all truth probably would have still been there when we picked in the 4th. 4th round? good god, a FB, H-back, TE??? we needed this pick here like we needed to draft another qb or running back. it was a stupid wasted pick and i don't give a good s%!+ what this guy turns out like, it was a terrible choice and makes me wonder which GM we have had is the worst. *quite frankly i am getting real tired of hearing how tice is the golden boy of coaching the offensive line. please tell me, who has he made better? we have one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL and where have we seen a player who you can say... WOW, he really made him better. him AND marrinelli (sp) in my opinion are so over-rated it's ridiculous. neither has done squat.

FIRST... we don't HAVE the new england patriots offense. we have an offense ranked in the bottom 10 of the NFL!!! if anyone thinks even a good tight end (let alone this head case walk-on) will make us a superbowl contender this season please step up and say so.

"Impression: Rodriguez isn't a guy who's going to get drafted high. However, he's got the potential to fill a number of roles on an NFL offense in both the run and pass game, can create some mismatches as a pass catcher and develop into a core special teams guy early on." so we drafted a headcase special team player who we had absolutely no need for on our roster in the 4th round while our offensive line looks like fema will be called in mid-season.

per ProFootball Weekly Draft 2012: great, we drafted a problem player at a position we don't need in the FOURTH ROUND!!! didn't we just sign our TE davis and our FB in clutts? this is maybe the dumbest 4th round pick we have made in decades. good job emery.

sounds right to me. if i were emery though this is how my draft would be... 1. if any of the LT's look like a real solid good prospect i feel that cutlers health is worth what i have to give up to get that guy. 2. with those same parameters if no LT looks like the real deal i would then look at that G decastro? and draft a super high quality guard at 19 for the same reasons, cutlers health is paramount. it opens up our interior OL to be much, much better not only now but for our future as well. it gives us a high quality interior guard, makes competition at the other guard position that much better between garza, chris williams or anyone else on our roster. it also makes our center position stronger by making the competition between garza and spencer that much more intense. now we can actually move one of our guards out to the tackle position, c. williams, if he is better than webb and not be hamstrung at guard position. same holds true if we moved carimi to LT. 3. if a killer center is there i would very strongly consider drafting him there. this improves our interior OL again by a huge factor. it moves garza out to compete with spencer, lance louis or c. williams at guard and is a cornerstone between our franchise qb for his entire career in chicago by keeping the pocket solid up the middle. 4. i would draft a CB. if fitzpatrick looks like he could play man up on the LOS i take him. if another at that quality when we pick is there and is a better choice for man coverage take him. this makes our entire defense better including our DT's and DE's by covering man in the zone between our safeties.

thanks. i'm not the sharpest tool in the drawer when it comes to math. the 10% i used was for the total drafting in picks 1-20. i hope that was right? but the other percentage you stated sounds very much like another reason to move up if possible.

i thought of this when compiling this data but the message boards do not (to my knowledge) allow for excel data base files to be posted. so i had to do it the old fashion way. thanks.

i agree that many players not listed have had good to great careers but still are not considered in the elite category except maybe by their franchises fans. i can only go with the stats that i am able to put together as a whole through general consensus by designating them pro-bowl or all-pro accolades. i would really have no idea what most of the teams players throughout the decades would be worthy of as i have never followed them that closely and quite frankly i seriously doubt anyone could do so. there also will always be the wildcard walk-on type of player, unitis, like i stated in an earlier post but i am only taking this to the general rule of percentages. thanks for your comments.

there are many factors involved on the results of which teams do well. the quality of the GM, or player evaluators, come draft day along with coaching do play a limited role somewhat. that also comes into the realm of who your key players are and the quality they possess. example: tom brady a future HOF quarterback and drew bledsoe a very good franchise quarterback certainly have a lot to do with where the pats have drafted over this period of time. also the pats have traded players and moved down in the drafts using a shotgun approach for quality in the first three rounds (unlike angelo who seemed to love getting 6th and 7th round picks by trading down and having the pleasure of cutting them after training camp). not needing the top priorities like QB, LT or DE for so long lets him draft players in less critical positions at a higher rate giving him a better shot at getting quality in these type of players. i don't see angelo as having done even remotely well drafting all-pro players. here is the list of bear all-pro starters since he arrived in 2001... olin kreutz julius peppers brian urlacher LANCE BRIGGS mike brown the only one he drafted was lance briggs. NOTE: i don't consider drafting special teams players in this list to be of any importance.

i do realize the possible limitations using those as yardsticks but it is the only way other than the HOF that i have found to really judge NFL players careers and how they turned out. 10 year + draft strategies: i do realize that there have been improvements over the decades on possible data produced both medically and in a football sense. the combine is a new feature and yes, the internet and computers have changed some information in the process of evaluation. you also have to take into account the number of current franchise changes over the years but i wanted to give as big a body of information as possible to judge by. just 'one' of the reasons i went with the first 20 picks in round one was due to the fact that the amount of new franchises now in the NFL changes the picks below that drastically. so in the first 20 picks you should still have the best 20 players that would have been drafted even with the franchise additions. for instance, in 1979 even with the new tampa bay bucs added franchise there were only 28 teams in the NFL. today there are 32. that may not seem like a lot of additions but when you add just 4 more teams to the draft equation there are literally 208 less quality players in the NFL in a 7 round draft. that is a HUGE amount of talent drain and just one reason they are scouring smaller schools and conferences for talent today. there is just so much talent to go around so what you are getting today is a watered down version of quality play in the NFL that some of the younger fans have never seen before. your last statements: i agree. the higher the pick the better the quality usually. there is and always has been that exception to the rule when lower round players or even walk-ons, johnny unitis comes to mind, are factored in. but the percentages just are not there compared to the higher picked players especially in the 1st round.