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Please Van Pran.
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7 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
because half of them didnt even watch the film and are just repeating a narrative in an echo chamber.
I have personally seen dozens of plays where he got the ball out as fast as anyone ever with my own eyes. He has a ridiculously fast and compact Marino-esque throwing motion too.We are talking different things. How throwing MOTION is great. Very compact.
His issue is that he holds the ball when he doesn’t have to. Just like Fields. Now, it can be argued that the reason they hold the ball is different, but it’s the same result unless the OL provides extended protection.
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On 4/25/2024 at 12:37 AM, Stinger226 said:
Your entitled to your opinions but it's based on a hypothesis, so it can't be proven. I think with better play calling and a better roster, he could have been a top 10-15 QB. ( His last 7 games he was the 11th ranked QB) The lack of trade value has a lot to do with timing. Poles didn't decide to trade him until well after the combine, after most spots were filled.
There are 2 reasons he's not here. We got lucky and got the top pick, if we didn't have a top 3 pick, he would still be here. Also having to pay him big money in 2025 and forward came in to play. He hasn't shown enough to get a big contract.
I think he proves himself and becomes a starter in Pittsburgh. He's never going to be elite but obviously history tells us you don't have to be to win a SB. Poles choose Caleb because he can become elite and that doesn't automatically mean Justin is a garbage QB.
All of this is my opinion and can't be proven until a few years have passed to see if it was accurate.
100% agree.
Fields had bipolar coaching, consistent change, horrible game planning, a single NFL-worthy WR, and a bad pass-pro OL.
The Bears failed Fields, and we will never know what he could have been.
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On 4/24/2024 at 9:15 PM, BearFan PHX said:
not really true tho. the average time to throw is similar, but the standard deviation is VERY different.
There are many dozens of examples on film where Williams gets the ball out fast. And other examples where he buys a ton of time before throwing. So his average looks like Fields' but his game film definitely does not.
This is one of those times where the stat doesnt really tell the whole story. Williams is nothing like Fields.If That’s true, then why does everyone, literally every analyst, say he holds the ball too long? Sounds similar to me.
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On 4/22/2024 at 11:46 AM, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Its the thing that gets me - I do like the top 3 wideouts - but I also think there is a good chance one of the other talented wideouts is as good if not better. Now odds are solid that the other 3 have lower floors, etc. But you can find premiere wideouts later in 1st round and into 2nd and 3rd round, especially if you pair them with a good QB. I don't feel the same way with stud LT's....I feel like 9 times out of 10, a stud LT was a Top 10 / 15 pick.
1000%.
Besides, I'd rather do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to make Caleb Williams happy and comfortable. I think he'd much rather see OL at #9, and his security blanket Brenden Rice in the 3rd.
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On 4/22/2024 at 10:58 AM, Mongo3451 said:
That's a tad critical for me. My full expectation, keeping Justin, was to win ten games. Now, that we will have Caleb pulling the trigger, I expect a little less. Growing pains, regardless of talent, definitely happen. However, I'm expecting 12-13 wins next year, even with our division being on the rise.
Perhaps, but if we all expected Fields to take another step and lead the team to ~10 wins, then replacing him means we should expect more. Otherwise, replacing him doesn't make sense. The word generational is thrown around a lot, and the rookie expectation is now incredibly high because of Stroud. As a result, Williams needs to be an improvement.
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On 4/22/2024 at 8:13 AM, Stinger226 said:
. Jenkins is all pro when he plays. Averages 4 missed games a year. Nate Davis has a history of above average play. His mom died and he bombed the season. I fully expect him to get back to his usual play. He brought in Bates and Shelton that are both considered back up OGs. Are they great, no but gives better depth than last year.
I think he drafts a center and depending on who will back up Bates. JPJ or Frasier may even start.
So when I made that statement , it was taking in consideration of our existing roster. Our OGs are not going to suck.
Now 3 #1 WRs allows the QB to get the ball out quicker so the OL doesn't have to be great.That is also one of the strength of this QB, quick decisions and quick release.
A DE paired with Sweat will increase our sacks and TOs that helps any offense with field position and game changing plays. We were last in sacks last year and led the league in interceptions. Just imagine our pass rush just being average and what that produces.
We disagree. Great WRs don't always allow a QB to release quicker.
Where are you getting this? By nearly all accounts, the problem with Williams is the same as Fields: he holds the ball too long. His release is quick, but his decisions are not.
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4 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
For sure. I agree he will outplay Fields' performance last year, and should have an impact similar to Strouds. 9 wins is just half a game above the vegas line, so that doesnt seem to much either.
I read jason to say that if he isnt a generational NFL QB right out of the gate, that he wouldnt accept any excuses. And that seems strange to me since Williams will be a rookie - a really GOOD rookie, but a rookie.
I expect to see what a future champion QB who will win multiple superbowls should look like as a rookie.
We did not call for Justin's head in his rookie year, we understood his predicament in year 2. The judgement came in year 3.For being so hyped and “generational,” for throwing away Fields, there js zero doubt that Williams better produce immediately. And ten wins is a must. Without each, it’s a disappointment.
Williams doesn’t have to go for 4K and 30TDs, but for the drastic turn this franchise is about to take, there is VERY little room for excuses.
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8 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
If they drafted all oline I would understand that but Poles isn't going to do that. If Alt drops to 9 , BPA logic tells you to take him but I don't think that will happen.
Poles is not drafting a OG at 9, you can make all kinds of scenarios for it. A WR or DE will have more of an impact than a guard,now if he moves back to the teens then I think JPJ is more in play than a OG. It was the worst in the league last year and JPJ is probably future pro bowl.
The guards this year is not going to be a problem. If Jenkins has injury issues again he brought in competent backups, Bates or Shelton fills the spot. Matt Pryor can play there to. Davis will not be a problem, last year was unique because his mother died while living with him.
So realistically Odunze or trade back and opens other possibilities. If 3 #1 WRS are on the field Caleb will not need 4 seconds to get a throw off. I think average in the league last year was 2.47 seconds to get a pass off.
The bolded is where I take issue.
I’m 100% convinced that a WR does not have as big an impact when the OGs suck, but an OG can still have great impact when the WRs are dropping the ball. It’s chicken and egg stuff. Similarly, a great OL gives the QB time to throw, and even average WRS get open in the NFL if given enough time.
DE? Sure, maybe, but I don’t want defense. I want the Bears to transition into an offensive franchise…which is also what I said, and didn’t happen, with Trubisky or Fields.
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1 minute ago, BearFan PHX said:
lol Williams, but yes!
LOL. Freudian slip. Probably because they never did for Fields what they should do for Williams.
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On 4/18/2024 at 1:14 PM, Connorbear said:
If Marvin Harrison Jr. falls to 5, would you trade the #9 pick and our first round pick next year to move up and draft him?
Peace
No. The Bears can go without a 1st round WR with other holes to fill and a draft deep in WRs.
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On 4/17/2024 at 12:42 PM, Mongo3451 said:
I'm drafting him to be an OG, since I don't trust any of our guards. He would be an absolute animal next to Wright. Let Davis and Jenkins battle it out. Since Waldron runs a lot of two and three TE sets, strength up the middle is more useful. (Kinda like Sean Peyton runs) I've been criticized for drafting him so high to be OG, but where would you draft Larry Allen if you thought he would be that dude?
I’m 100% fine with drafting what you believe to be an all pro OG in the first round.
I pay car, property, and life insurance. Same concept. You get insurance for the things that are most important. And if the insurance costs more than you’d like, you accept that since it protects the thing that’s actually important, and worth FAR more than what you’re paying on insurance.
If Fuaga comes into camp with cauliflower ears, a neck as thick as his head, and a willingness to bite off an opponent’s testicles to save Williams, then IDGAF that an OG is drafted in the first.
The message should be universal:
PROTECT WILLIAMS (not Fields) AT ALL COSTS
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3 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
I recall Caleb saying he played HS ball with Penn St LT Olum Fashanu. I wouldn't be shocked to hear his name called if the draft fell a certain way.
I would LOOOOOVE that. The Bears need to protect Williams at all cost. OL must be addressed EVERY SINGLE YEAR until he’s virtually untouchable.
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22 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
If you have a GENERATIONAL QB , you have to have higher expectations. 10 is the minimum. We have the forth easiest schedule in the league. A good OC will call plays to make the QB succeed. Getsy didn't do that last year, it was system system system.
Agree. I don’t want to hear any BS about being a rookie since he’s so generational and far superior to everyone else in the draft. Furthermore, you don’t drop Fields for 50 cents on the dollar when he showed significant improvement despite being on an offense with several noticeable holes, UNLESS the guy you’re getting is a drastic improvement.
Add in the changes and improvement, as well as another first round impact player, and anything less then 10 wins is a disappointment.
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This is why the Bears should draft all offense this year. Focus absolutely everything on protecting the franchise player and providing him with superior weapons.
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On 4/9/2024 at 6:08 AM, ASHKUM BEAR said:
The o line had weaknesses and they basically had only one WR that could be counted on besides Kmet. When the oline consistently gets pushed into the pocket, the QB is pressured and scrambled. Is Center addressed with Bates an Co., we will see. Can the LT take on strength and bull rushes, we will see. Is Keenen Allen enough to give the QB 2 targets for the season...
Preach. The OL sucked and there was only one pro WR. I’m tired of people acting like one move is enough for the offense to succeed. There needs to be a perpetual, yearly attempt to improve on offense, to make the franchise player as comfortable as possible, to give him the best OL and WRs in the NFL.
Anything else is putting donut tires on a Lambo.
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On 4/9/2024 at 12:13 AM, Stinger226 said:
He drafted a OT at 10 last year plus added D J Moore plus Tyler Scott in the draft. Signed Nate Davis at OG.
What does the third year in a row thing mean?
Third “time” in a row.
They didn’t go all in with Trubisky, and Trubisky was a bust.
They didn’t focus on offense with Fields, and he never reached potential.
If they don’t transform the organization from a defensive-minded franchise to an offensive-minded franchise, where they focus on offense like Lovie focused on his drafting safeties, then Williams or any other rookie QB will be a bust.
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Honestly, at this point if the Bears aren’t focusing 99.99% of the draft on protecting Williams and providing him with weapons, then it’s going to be the same thing for the third time in a row.
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2 hours ago, adam said:
What it comes down to is their own internal evaluation of Justin. If they didn't think he could improve enough to pay him, and based on the compensation, 31 other teams felt the same way, then what can Poles do?
There would've been way too much drama in the locker room and with the fanbase, so this is an unfortunate set of circumstances.
I don’t think I believe that. I think it has more to do with Poles getting “his guy,” and not the guy from the previous regime. Or probably it’s about finances? Or maybe even the whole Williams is a “can’t miss, generational”-prospect (which I don’t believe). We also don’t know what other teams contacted the Bears, but there is no way he’s thought of lower than some of the scrubs who have been signed.
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Hell no. Calm down Kevin Costner.
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Horrible value. Better to keep him as insurance, and see if the new QB can beat him out.
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3 hours ago, dawhizz said:
The only thing that doesn't fit is that it's looking like a bad year for QBs in the draft next year. Unless you think Dak or Trevor Lawrence are going to be free agents, or someone unexpected balls out in college, what is the solution at QB if Fields isn't it? Draft picks are great, but if no one will trade you a franchise QB, and the draft isn't great at QB, what do you do?
I don’t buy that. All the draft pundits change their minds after getting their panties moist during the regular season. By the end of the year they’ll have 3-4 they think are “sure fire starters,” and maybe one that’s a “generational talent.”
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My opinion on this is, it paints a pretty clear picture that Fields stays as QB.
- Allen counts for $23M against the cap (correct me if wrong)
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Guess who's an UFA after 2024?
- Keenan Allen
- Teven Jenkins
- Larry Borom
- Khari Blasingame
- Fields has one more year under rookie numbers before a huge payday
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After the trade the Bears have FOUR PICKS in the 2024 draft, which doesn't fit Poles' message of building through the draft
- 1.1
- 1.9
- 3.75
- 4.124
Everything above points to a make-or-break year for Fields in 2024, where they'll trade the #1 pick, acquire more than 4 measly picks, load up on talent, likely add starters at OL and WR, then say to Fields, "Time for you to earn your next contract and take us deep into the playoffs."
If Fields fails, then the draft talent is there in 2025 with a year of experience, Keenan Allen's money is off the books, they'll have extra picks from this year's trade, at least the offensive side of the ball is wiped clean, and it'll be time for the inevitably new coaching staff to draft for their future.
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On 3/11/2024 at 8:11 PM, killakrzydav said:
I guess I would rapey Washington for 2, 36, 40, & 67
YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS
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Probably doesn’t need to. He may beat out Braxton Jones.