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1 minute ago, ChileBear said:
Trubisky, Fields, franchise history with QBs is about to change. Poles, with the Panthers' pick, hass set us up with a once-in-a-franchise opportunity. He has the first pick in a QB heavy draft, and he has the 9th pick as well. If poles thinks one of the QBs is even a smidge bit better than Fields, its a done deal and he'll take him. THAT is how you change the course of a team that struggles for mediocrity at the position. Tom Waddle said today that great QBs make the surrounding players better, but surrounding a so-so QB with more talent doesn't improve the team. I think Poles has the right plan.
I love Waddle, but that’s nonsense. We’ve seen countless teams make players look better than when they get to another team, whether that be offensive weapons, offensive scheme, coaching, or other. Look no further than Cutler: well over 4K, traded to Chicago, gets destroyed in year one, never the same again.
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4 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
Seen where last year, Fields was second in the league with pressure rate. 2022 he was first. No QB is going play well with constant pressure. I think this year he finally finishes building the OL, gets us one more weapon and an edge. That will be his theme this off-season.
Didn’t know that!! Not surprising. It’s the same thing every Bears QB since Cutler has had to deal with. When will this franchise ever learn?
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7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:
If Poles doesn't take a QB with a top pick, he will get fired and deserve it. And we will suffer through another decade of awful teams.
If Poles picks a QB, Williams to be exact, with the #1, that rookie will flounder with a below average OL, a below average RB, and a poor offensive scheme. DJ will want to leave. Kmet will want to leave. Williams will show himself to be an eccentric prima donna. The rookie QB will then be a bust. And Poles will be fired for following the previous Bears’ flaws of hitching a wagon to yet another horse that’s walking into a minefield.
Clear the minefield first.
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7 hours ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:
But if everything goes as planned and a higher percentage of your 1st and 2nd round draftees do well, and your team does well some of those players become trade bait for future 1st - 2nd round picks (ala Patriot-way) and thus “resetting the contract clock” on a bunch of players. IE: Justin himself a former 1st round pick could theoretically net at least one 2nd round pick and some even think 1st round.
Exactly.
I hate that we haven’t learned as a franchise yet. First Trubisky, now Fields, and yet some still want to go all in on a single guy for the third time. It baffles the mind. Why? So a new guy can come in and fail?
The Super Bowl is won by teams. Not individuals. Great teams make superstars. Mahomes goes from good to great because he has a very solid OL, an incredible offensive mind running the show, one of the best TEs in NFL history as a weapon, and a solid WR corp.
The Bears need to focus on becoming a team, and right now they have a long way to go offensively.
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3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:
Some teams get more help from referees than others. KC is one of them. How many times did Justin get hit and no calls and other QBs got calls if the DL looked at them wrong. Not sure any of that is changeable.
Bingo. That’s my point. Much easier to succeed when the OL is allowed to restrain rushing defenders like perps on a Cops rerun.
Bears need to get some of that respect. Until then, can’t really block (i.e. hold) and protect Fields.
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I think it shows that the worst teams don’t benefit much by drafting a WR highly because the WR is a player that only benefits from a sound team. That means an offense that’s established, with a coach who has had time to create and foster a successful culture, with an OC who has a proven track record.
Otherwise, a prima Donna WR is drafted, and the support structure above fails the player.
Of course, I believe the coaching flaws can be mitigated with the right OL, because players who are in the NFL are realistically good enough to do well if they have time to throw and/or run their routes.
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On 2/9/2024 at 2:59 PM, Mongo3451 said:
It's funny. I watched a video today, where Stephen A, Shannon Sharp and "the experts" were killing KC for moving up to draft by Mahomes. One of the experts said he had non-existent footwork and that Big 12 QB's don't translate to the NFL.
I do trust Poles though. Going into year three, gives me hope for to his track record so far. This will be the biggie of all biggies.
LOL! That’s great! Honestly, that’s why I think it’s all BS and the people who say “oh, they know way better than you because they’re in the NFL” are wrong. I know what my eyes see, and it doesn’t take someone with 20 years in the league to have the same draft success the Bears have had. That shit can be done by a drunk and a dart board.
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9 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:
What pieces do they need to end the trend?
I feel most drafted QBs need to come in to a good system like Mahomes, but then you see Stroud go to Hou with a new HC and OC and put up top 5 numbers. I think the Bears need a stud C and another good WR to have the basic pieces.
Poles has put it out that the only way he budges on the #1 pick is if he is offered a historic haul. He did that last year and teams called. He will listen again this year and maybe he gets another.
Agree. They need to bolster the OL by getting a top tier OG and OC, adding a pro WR opposite DJ, and seeing if they can get someone to be a NFL-level RB that actually screw opponents.
If they start with the OL, the rest is a lot easier.
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I hate that Nagy has a ring now.
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13 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Trubisky wasn’t the guy I wanted to draft - however I was supportive of the GM having the stones to move up and get his guy. I will state his rookie year I thought he was trending to be something special. But he could only read half the field.
Cutler was who I was always all in on. But I thought Mac Jones was a sure thing - not stud - but literally a sure thing starting qb - boy was I wrong.
But you have best track record of any of us - I remember Dak was always your guy and you were right - he ended up damn good given where he was picked.
I won’t say I have the best track record, because I’ve probably missed as many as made, but I truly believe the Bears have continuously mishandled the QB position for decades, and are about to continue the trend if they pick Williams.
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10 hours ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
I’ve been all in on Williams but I get the logic on moving down one spot for Maye. I did go back and look though - in history of qbs going 1-2 in order - only Donovan McNabb was better. In fact - almost always the 2nd qb in the 1-2 ended up a massive bust (Rick Mirer and Ryan Leaf - 2 examples). Wentz was the next best behind McNabb as it related to #1/#2
You were all in on Trubisky too. I hated him, the trade, AND the pick.
None of us are right all the time, and I’ve been wrong a lot, but I trust my gut on this one. Williams is loaded with red flags and is going to be a bust.
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8 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:
Bowen is one of the best. Not saying he is the best but he does his homework and isn’t someone who talks to talk or who tries to take shock stances.
And his description sounds exactly how people describe Fields. Turns down layups, tries for big plays, extends plays to his detriment. It’s exactly how people characterize Fields, but in the NFL.
Even if those were some of those were Fields faults in college, at least he dominated while in college. Williams lost 5 of his last 6, then bailed on his team for the bowl game.
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23 hours ago, adam said:
Fields is very similar, but his is quick reads and MoF throws. He reminds me of a pitcher that can't throw a slider to save his life and has to go back to his bread and butter curve even when a slider is needed. Fields is at or near his ceiling. It seems now that he can only improve by improving everything around him. That is a team that can make the playoffs but will never get beyond one playoff win or so. There are a lot of QBs in that tier. I would say a good portion of the league make up that group.
At this point, if you know that, you might as well take your shot while you have it. The Bears roster is too good to finish in the top 5 again, they are trending away from the top 10, so if they are going to get a new QB, it's this year.
This is where I disagree. Fields has had a bad or below average OL his entire time in Chicago. The offensive weapons he has had are arguably worse.
It’s like giving a Julliard trained musician a few strings hooked up to a bowed stick from the backyard: there will be moments of brilliance where you realize his musical genius is far beyond the norm, but ultimately he won’t be able to make incredible music with garbage, and you end up doubting whether or not he actually is as good as everyone says he is.
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On 2/7/2024 at 11:00 PM, ASHKUM BEAR said:
As much as I hate Sharpe, that was respectful. As much as I'd love to see Fields come to fruition, the Bears cannot pass on the chance. I've seen Caleb regress this season under top teams and his backup destroy Stanford in the bowl game, who also beat ND, but I will trust the so called experts that label him as the next best.
The weight on Poles is tremendous, he can get a kings ransom to trade down or take the next coming at QB. I neglected Mahomes for having the smallest hands in his class and look at him now. You need a QB that can produce and build around. If JF would be happy to go to ATL, it would be respectful to make that happen.
Big mistake. The "experts" have been screwing up evaluation and drafts for the Bears for over 30 years.
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Einstein:
Quote'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. '
- John Fox 2015 - Cutler lacks protection, we all hate Fox
- John Fox 2016 - Cutler lacks protection, we all hate Fox
- John Fox 2017 (Lame Duck Year) - Trubisky drafted
- Matt Nagy 2018 - Trubisky lacks protection, defense is amazing, makes Nagy look smart
- Matt Nagy 2019 - Trubisky lacks protection, defense regresses, Nagy not so smart
- Matt Nagy 2020 - Trubisky lacks protection, defense stays average, Nagy still not smart
- Matt Nagy 2021 (Lame Duck Year) - Fields drafted
- Matt Eberflus 2022 - Fields lacks protection, but shows some potential for greatness, we side-eye Eberflus
- Matt Eberflus 2023 - Fields lacks protection, and is neutered, we already hate Eberflus
- Matt Eberflus 2024 (Lame Duck Year) - ???
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4 hours ago, killakrzydav said:
I agree. Bowers is so much better than Kmet its not even close. There isnt a single fan base out there that thinks Kmet is a top ten the.
But wasn’t he literally a top ten TE in 2023?
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On 2/5/2024 at 8:04 PM, ASHKUM BEAR said:
Kmet is not a move TE, he is inline or Y. Bowers would be your move, H back/slot WR.
Look no further than the years of winning by Gronkowski and now Kelce. Those two have helped carry their franchises to multiple SBs.
A base two TE set would wreck havoc on defenses deciding to put run personal or dime in. Nabors would be the Tyreek Hill explosive threat and Moore your reliable go to. Kmet a weapon too and one of the best run blocking TEs.
I agree, he would be a luxury and a QBs best friend.
I don't know if I agree that Kmet is purely a Y. Based on alignment, I thought traditional TE=Y and TE who is used in the slot, backfield, etc. is a "move" or "Z." He may not line up in the backfield, but I've seen him in the slot. Either way, he's a #1 TE and the Bears should fill other holes before spending early draft capital on another pass-catching TE, whatever the categorization.
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2 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:
I read an article where Caleb Williams actually said he was better than Mahomes. It was right after he won the Hiesman Trophy. The reason Mahomes got great was having a coach that developed him and a great team around him, PLUS his talent. If he was drafted by the Bears he would have never become the best QB in the league. I think Poles is one year away from building a team to have a plug and play QB the same situation SF put Purdy in. What might be bizziare is Bagent might turn into Purdy with a couple of years of development , wouldnt that be the bomb while we argue over other QBs.
Yeah, if that's true, it's yet another red flag for Caleb Williams. Also, I completely agree about Mahomes. If he were drafted by the Bears, he would have been ruined.
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I basically manufactured the trades to suit my needs, focus on offense, and support Fields.
- Best WR
- Best OC
- Best OG
- Insurance QB
- Remainder are high quality, good output players from big football schools.
At the end I was just being funny and maneuvering to get the former players' sons.
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26 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:
it all depends on who you think Caleb can be for the Bears I guess.
You're not wrong that trading down and gaining a package like that would be franchise altering. And you could trade it down again too and it starts to look like Madden or the draft sites how silly it gets except in this case, it's actually real. So there is a great argument for what you're saying. Assuming you think really well of one of the other QBs.
But if you really believe Caleb could be a Hall of Fame QB and win multiple superbowls, then it's worth the price.
But who knows? I guess you try to put a percentage on it, and weigh the options.
This is a defining moment for the next decade+ of the Bears, and it's a really difficult question to answer.
I guess the best thing to say is all the options don't suck, so we're sitting pretty no matter which way it goes.Years and years have gone by with so many of these "once in a lifetime" guys. The platitudes and hyperbole happens every year about this guy and that guy, but it's always a guess. Far too many fail, and it's pure 50/50 crap shoot at best.
And we've also seen far too many guys who legitimately could have been HoFers in terms of their talent, but were failed by the drafting franchise through either a lack of coaching support or offensive teammate support.
I guess the point I'm making is that putting Caleb Williams behind the Bears' OL, with the Bears' offensive weapons, is basically throwing a sheep to wolves yet again...and setting the franchise back another 3-4 years.
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1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:
I get it. But, it's a totally different story. Do some digging. He's not Mitch. I'll be at the combine to watch them all in three weeks and will be looking for the little things.
I've watched video, read reports, and no matter what I do I still think, "Yeah, but North Carolina and Trubisky."
It's like that one liquor that you got absolutely shit-faced to in college, and even though someone offers it to you years later, the mere thought of it makes you want to vomit.
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If Washington is willing to give up the #2, and TWO OTHER FIRST ROUND PICKS, then Poles would be insane to turn that down. That's foundation building, and the Bears would be able to build a stacked roster instead of a QB on a team full of scrubs.
The Chicago Bears are on the clock! OFFSEASON OPEN THREAD!
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You hold Fields because he’s still under rookie contract and you try to fix the team around him. If they improve the OL like you suggest, then Fields will look better and the Bears will make an immediate ascension.