jason

And it's clear, at about the 1:05.5 mark, that the first things to hit are the two players' helmets. He may have lead with the shoulder pad, which is up for debate because to lead with the shoulder means that the helmet has to come along, but there is no debating the fact that the first contact is made by the two helmets blasting each other. I guess the point of this topic is that I wish they'd just have a more stable application to the rule. In my opinion, it's much more inconsistent than any other call. With a play like this, where it's clear that he WR braces for the hit - and thereby causes the helmets to hit - it shouldn't be a penalty. This time it wasn't, but most of the time it seems that the refs call it a penalty. I can think of a few Mike Brown hits that were flagged, but I didn't think it was his fault. I thought it was essentially the same as this hit - the WR ducking for cover and ended up causing the helmet-to-helmet hit.

It's clear that there are disagreements on the subject of what's the most pressing need, but let me ask you which more likely produces a good offense: A- Good RBs, Average WRs, Good OL, Good QB B- Good RBs, Good WRs, Average OL, Good QB BTW, the question is rhetorical.

If he's actually telling the truth, which I hope he isn't, then that would be... BAD BAD GOOD

I agree AZ...but that's exactly my point. I think it was an awesome hit. And I think it should be legal. The game is softer than it has been in the past, and they're protecting the players. But the problem is, they flag the exact same play the majority of the time.

That's my point. Orton from Purdue throwing to Orton from Purdue would be funny, if not productive.

You clearly didn't see the slo-mo replay in which it was made plainly obvious that not only was it a helmet to helmet hit, but the first thing to hit were the two helmets.

I remember hearing the same comments about Moss. I remember saying, "You're crazy. This dude is an athletic freak." I know that D-IAA isn't the same as Marshall, but when a guy makes others around him look ridiculous, that is the exact reason why he should be viewed beyond the lower tier in which he plays. This dude is a mismatch, and a TD machine. He'd be a great mid-round pickup.

Did you guys see that hit!?!?! Explosive. Amazing. I agree that it's a clean hit, because the WR ducking his head when he sees the contact coming, but how many times have we seen a nearly identical play get called a penalty? I believe we've had a debate or two about the topic on this forum. There is no denying the helmets hit, and Phil Simms is a moron. That is precisely when we have seen the helmet-to-helmet penalty come into play. Over and over again. It's a bogus rule, but if they're going to apply it, then effing apply it.

That actually is a great article, but it's hard not to look at the fact that he was just the captain of the first ever 0-16 ship.

It probably won't matter while Turner is still here. He'll continue to send Marty Booker deep, and watch Rashied Davis drop the ball, while Bennett sits on the bench and Haas never really makes the team. If I had to pick, however, I'd go with Ramses Barden in the fourth, or maybe a late third. He looks like a beast and completely dominated his opponents. He reminds me of Randy Moss coming out of school, and he attacks the ball like Fitzgerald from Arizona. Seriously. Go watch some of his grainy youtube footage. He looks absolutely unstoppable, just like Moss did in college. If that doesn't happen, I'd like the Bears go get Orton out of Purdue, just for the comedic aspect of it.

You know this already, but I hate it. DE in the first would be a bad move IMHO. The Bears already have three, and Kruger would never see the field. I like the Delmas pick, but I just don't think a Bears draft is a success this April unless there is some serious OL help. Otherwise we'll end up watching the exact same team we watched this year. Would it hurt this franchise to devote some consistent attention to the offensive side of the ball for a change? Let's right the wrong of the 2005 draft and get a collection of good, young offensive talent.

Didn't read your previous reply...sorry for the repeat attack. Ignoring the point of this thread, I have a huge problem with your list. I know you went by receiving yards, but that's not a true measure of who the top WRs are in the league. If it were, then Muhsin Muhammed would be better than TJ Houshyomomma, and we all know from experience that isn't true. And considering Welker, if you look at his stats before he was paired with Moss, it's not nearly as good. Randy Moss Terrell Owens Anquan Boldin All three are in the top ten WRs in the league. I'd also go so far as to say that Braylon Edwards, Marques Colston, and maybe a few others are better than some on the list.

Actually, if you don't believe that you're crazy. The guy constantly says that he's awesome. He is perhaps the most conceited player in the league. He is without a doubt under the belief that if he gets the ball more his team will win. He is without a doubt more of a problem when his team is losing, than when they are winning. In fact, he rarely speaks up when his team is winning. Last but not least, the "along for the ride" comment is essentially what his whole persona is...he wants to be in front of the pack, wants to win, and he'll throw anyone under the bus who he feels were detrimental to the team on the field. Is he always right? No, of course not. Is he a locker room cancer? Absolutely. But make no mistake, the guy is a superstar, one of the best WRs in the league, and he makes the most noise when he's not winning.

I'll chime in with agreement. Pass. He's essentially an unknown. He may have done well on the well-oiled machine that is the Patriots, but he's questionable. The Bears may as well draft a guy straight out of college as to trade for Cassell.

Team Chemistry?! Maybe destroying team complacency is exactly what this dead ass team needs. Maybe they need a guy who will come in and challenge the others! Maybe they need a guy who is basically saying, "I want to win, and I'm awesome...who's along for the ride?" I know I much prefer it to the, "Atta boy, we'll get'em next time after we look at the tape"-garbage we hear from nearly everyone on the coaching staff and the team. I'm stunned that anyone on this board would say no to Owens. You guys want everything to be perfect, and that's just not the mold of today's players...especially WRs.

The Eagles didn't lose the Super Bowl because of what he did. By all accounts, he fought through an injury that would have sidelined 99% of other players for months, played in the Super Bowl on essentially one leg, and still dominated. He may be a cancer, but if you look at the stats of his teams' QBs before and after he's on the team, and more often than not, the stats are improved when TO is on the team.

That's exactly what I think. And if that happens, I don't see how the Bears could pass up on a franchise QB.

If that happens, watch Brady throw for nearly 6000 yards and a brazilion touchdowns as the Patriots cruise through the season undefeated yet again. They won't even need offense; they'll be able to put up 40+ a game without batting an eyelash.

Absolutely, 100% yes. I have said it before, and will say it again: I'm in favor of the Bears picking up a stud WR who has character issues. Two years ago it was possible for the Bears to pick up TO AND Moss at the same time. I've posed the question here before...but each time it's answered with a near consensus of "Hell no". And then weeks later the "We need a WR" threads start again. How far are you willing to go? How badly do you want to win? That's what it comes down to.

I don't know what games these guys were watching, and I admit that I didn't even begin to research the other OGs in the NFC North, but I find it hard to believe that Garza is one of the best. All NFC North Team

It's all a moot point anyway. There's no way Mays would have fallen to the Bears.

Something I have been saying for a while. This makes no sense at all. Babich does poorly=give him more responsibilities? Lovie knows defense=Lovie doesn't step in last year, but does this year? WTF.

Exactly. I agree with your thoughts on this. There's a reason why the Bears are thought of as a somewhat heartless team. There's a reason why the Bears are considered bland. There's a reason why the Bears aren't a team others think of as emotional. While Lovie Smith has brought a certain level of success with him - which may have simply coincided with him walking into a great situation on defense - there is no doubting that the guy is not the motivational figure that gets his players fired up. Ayanbadejo just simply pointed out what many on this board have said for quite some time; the Bears lack fire. It's in the philosophy, the demeanor, the style of play, the scheme; the players; it's everywhere. There's a reason why he's... ZOMBIE LOVIE!

And, for the record, I think they are slightly below average...as I have said for the past several years. And when each player left, I predicted that they would do better elsewhere. When those players have been given opportunities, they have almost always done better than when they were with the Bears. This group of WRs will be no different when they leave the Bears, eventually.

You're right, but there is subtlety that Ayanbadejo didn't use, but could have. Which sounds more accepting of Lovie and his coaching style? "He's a former special teams coach and is used to dealing with every single guy," Ayanbadejo said of Harbaugh. "He's a lot more hands-on than Lovie. His coaching approach is a lot more personal, a lot different than Lovie's." OR "He's a former special teams coach and is used to dealing with every single guy," Ayanbadejo said of Harbaugh. "He's a lot more hands-on than Lovie. His coaching approach is a lot more personal, a lot different than Lovie's. Lovie is good in a group setting, like a college professor. Harbaugh is more like a personal tutor." ----------------------------------- Of course, if the example were mine, Lovie would be teaching high school, and Harbaugh would be a junior level college tutor with a Master's.