jason

I cannot add a thing to this except for agreement and a head nod. Perfect post.

YES!!!! YOU NAILED IT PIX!!! I was the guy with the Hester sign. I was ready to use it just in case of a return opportunity. FYI - On the other side: NECK BEARD ARMY (that one never got on TV)

Guys...take it for what it's worth... THE OFFENSE 1) Turner still out-thinks himself. I called more Bears' plays before they happened than I care to mention. If I can do it, surely the other teams can do it. That's the major reason, IMHO, why the Bears offense is not scary. It's very rarely a surprise. The majority of the time when our offensive players do well, it's in spite of Turner, because the plays are very predictable. 1a) Playing AP makes no sense. Kevin Jones is active; let him get the carries when resting Forte. 1b) Booker drop, Hester at least on drop. I am sick of this argument that the other WRs can't "crack the starting lineup". At a certain point, and it's well past that point, the offensive coordinator has to be blamed for not bringing in another player when the guy who is starting isn't doing the job. Conveniently enough, Bennett was active...but of course he wasn't used. 1c) The ball-fake, TD pass to Olsen, even though it was incredibly predictable, worked because there was fake handoff to the RB. This type of play-action doesn't happen enough. At one point there were several successful runs, and the GB defense was primed for a PAPass. Too bad Turner didn't see it. THE DEFENSE 2) Speaking of doing something in spite of a coordinator, Babich is a moron. He does things that work, then abandons them when the team needs them most. He still doesn't understand that it's OK to step on another team's throat. He still doesn't understand that he needs to mix up the DLine play to get pressure (which it didn't - only pressure came via blitz). He still doesn't understand, for the life of me because I sure as hell called the play at least five times before it happened, that the opposing offense is going to abuse the slant route if the DB is eight yards back. Babich needs to be fired. Period. He completely mismanages the talent he has on defense, and leaves very good players in absolute voids during plays because of horrible design. THE EXTRAS -I was going to go shirtless, but when wind chill got to -18, I called it off. Being cold is fine, cold weather injuries are not. -I didn't warm up until easily 4 hours after the game while driving back to Alabama. -A guy next to me took two drinks of his beer, put it down, and the next time he grabbed it, half of the beer was frozen. -I had 7 cups of hot chocolate, none of which were hot by the time I had the last drink. -The jalapeno hot dogs and the chili did a better job of warming us up than the hot chocolate did. -Several of the Packers players exude a confidence (cockiness?) that they shouldn't have. During crucial moments of the game, you could see them nodding their heads, almost taunting the crowd. At other times, it was easily apparent that several weren't even paying attention to the game, and probably didn't even know the score. This was serious insight into why they have fallen the second half of the season. -Johnny Jolly is a complete bitch. Several of us were ragging him in a friendly nature, telling him he was weak because he was practically having sex with the portable heaters near the bench (remember, two friends of mine were shirtless). He looks at us, and tauntingly waives us on to the field, as if we were allowed. After that, he starts to grab his crotch and mouth what appeared to be "freak you". Somewhere in the early third quarter, Jolly has a tantrum while leaving the field, and he throws his helmet. Of course it hit someone. Jolly didn't apologize. Then the pitiful team helper coat guy asks Jolly if he wants his coat. Jolly treats him like a king treats a peasant, waiving him away with a backhand movement. Later, when Orton threw an INT - which was not the result of pressure at all, just a bad read by Orton - Jolly comes back to the bench and yells into the crowd, "I don't hear you now!" Finally, after the Bears go down and score the tying TD, Jolly "suddenly" gets an "injury". WTFever. The only thing injured was his pride. He just didn't want to come back to his spot and face the thunder from a group of about, by then, 15 people ready to give him the business. All of this comes as no surprise to anyone who remembers this: Jolly meets the law -Conversely, Charles Woodson seems like a composed, class act. -My friends and I are at least partially responsible for the Mason Crosby miscues. We were yelling at him for the entire second half, and it unequivocally had an affect on him. You could tell he wanted to say something to us, but chose not to. But anyone being screamed at for 2 hours will get upset. It wasn't just random heckling; it was highly-focused, concentrated heckling. During time outs, when the Bears were on offense, when the Bears were on defense, when there were instant replays. He was facing the vocal barrage similar to what a young private faces in Basic Training; except, there were many more fans than there are drill sergeants. When he missed the first one, all you could hear was stuff like, "The High School kid made a 40 yarder at halftime!" and "If the Packers lose it's all on your shoulders!" One guy - who got a warning from security - told Crosby that he was going to "gut him" (obviously over the line). And when the Packers were moving into position for the final FG attempt in regulation, it was absolutely relentless. He made eye contact once or twice, and heard nothing but negativity spewing from our section of rowdy hecklers. There is no doubt in mind that we made an impact into his head, and we pulled off what was essentially a fan version of "icing the kicker".

Just FYI... (I'm in the tophat - the guys without the shirts didn't last long)

I'm thinking about making signs because I KNOW I am getting on TV. 1) Hey Devin, run this way ------------> 2) Zombie Lovie wants brains 3) Dear Turner: THE FB DIVE DOESN'T WORK! 4) Dear Babich: Feel free to blitz more often 5) Member of the Neckbeard Army

Count me in as someone who hates Green Bay with a passion, and merely dislikes Minnesota. In fact, I feel that if you dislike Minnesota more than Green Bay, you're missing a little historical perspective. As far as the game, look for me on TV. Two friends (one just back from Iraq) and I are going to the game, and there is a guarantee we'll get face time. No shirts. Painted bodies. Book it.

Hell, I'd say Hester is alread AHEAD of Berrian in big play "ability". The only difference is actual execution, where Berrian is much further ahead.

No doubt. That's a stupid article. There is a play or two each game that the Bears have screwed the pooch on (minus the blowout games), and they could very easily have 10 or 11 wins right now, WITHOUT Bernard Berrian.

My credentials Five leagues, four championship games this week

All of which I agree with...which is why I was not in favor of the Benson pick to begin with. Keep TJ, there is no need for Benson. If that doesn't happen, then the Bears never draft Forte. That's two picks that could be helping the Bears out at other positions right now.

As my signature line states, I obviously agree with you. I was just speaking in hypotheticals and hyperboles.

You are correct. I'm not calling them all head-cases. Only 85 and TO fit that bill. Also, I'm not really advocating the trade or acquisition of any of them...because I'd rather 95% of the attention be focused on making sure the OL is full of fire-breathing road-graders who would rather have their manhood chopped off than see their QB's jersey get dirty.

I've been on record numerous times. I'm ok with a headcase at WR if the guy is a stud and produces. I'd love to see the Bears make a huge FA splash and pick up two big name WRs. Ocho Cinco TO Anquan Hushyamamma Pick two of the four, and the Bears are an automatic top-ten offense, maybe even top-five.

I've been telling everyone for weeks that the Bears could actually have a much better record, with something like 10 or 11 wins, if only they had a little luck or a few bad breaks go the other way. They've been much more competitive than what the common pundits would have you believe.

I never understood that argument. It's almost entirely based on internet gossip. This belief was disproven on more than one occasion in discussions while TJ was with the Bears, with actual play-by-play breakdown on the old board. He breaks a lot more arm-tackles than people give him credit for, but for some reason people expect him to be Jerome Bettis because he has huge arms. I think people hear something, like on the news, and just run with it without actually trying to determine if it's the truth. I'm sorry, but TJ is not the soft runner so many seem to "remember".

That could very well have something to do with the garbage Arizona team he played on during his first few years. And by "something to do with" I mean "the primary cause of poor performance".

That's essentially my point. Everyone seems to want a #1 WR, but nobody wants the baggage.

I'm not smoking crack. His locker room habits are horrible, but stats don't lie. The dude can outplay just about every other WR in the NFL.

It's not ridiculous when considering the amount we've heard on this board recently about how badly the Bears need a legit #1 WR. The world isn't filled with puppies and rainbows; there are two sides to every coin. As far as his age, that point is ridiculous. The guy is still a beast, and physically he's one of the top three WRs in the league. He's still faster in pads than nearly every DB, and far too physical for them as well. I know of no age related problems like injuries or skill degradation. The guy is a weight-room monster, and stays in superb shape. We all know he is a locker room cancer, but there is no denying his abilities. I was just throwing it out there to see how serious everyone was about getting a legit #1 WR. It seems that there are definite limits to everyone's desire (thus far anyway).

I have been a proponent of this idea for quite some time. I'm all about winning over looking good. I wouldn't mind a Super Bowl win with a team of "bad guys". With that said, the Bears should go after TO. The Cowboys are in turmoil. TO is causing trouble (what's new?). And you know J.Jones is itching to do something to "fix" the team. I know he just signed a big deal, but he's as legit a #1 WR as there is in the NFL. You want a #1? Are you serious about it? Well, there you have it. He's a player who might be had for the right price. Suppose it's a first rounder and another pick in a future draft. Do you pull the trigger? How much do you really want a legit #1 weapon?

I noticed that too, and I thought, "Turner...does this guy ever learn?"

I work primarily with high schoolers, from varsity to middle school. I typically work three or four games a week while in season. I have worked, however, as far down as pee-wee, and as far up as a semi-pro game. The tendencies I have spoken of are pervasive throughout all levels.

As I said, Forte > Benson. But the OL is performing WAAAAY better this year with Forte than they were with Benson. And the funny thing is, the OL this year is bad at best.

I would like to point out that I think the holes Forte has this year are without a doubt better than the holes Benson got. In fact, that's why I was so adamant about getting an OL. Benson simply had nowhere to run 85% of the time. I would also like to point out that I showed some videos of what Benson is capable, when he has a hole; he's a pure one-cut downhill runner. And, in a small way, I agree with Benson. If he had the holes Forte has had this year, he's probably be pretty close to Forte's numbers. Forte, while we all love him, has only been hovering around 4 ypc all season. All that being said, Benson is a turd because he allowed himself to be ostracized by his teammates from the very start, he perpetually had foot-in-mouth disease, he was surly, and he got in trouble with the law (regardless of how the situations got plea-bargained or whatever). That's why I didn't really think the Forte pick was necessary. I like the results, but I think Benson would be doing just about as good as Forte this year. There is no denying Benson's talent; you just don't put up stats like he did without talent. He just didn't have the mind for it, and given the fact that he pulled 1800 out of his ass, I'd say he still doesn't.

Bingo. To reiterate the original theme of this thread: it's time to let this staff go. Love for being Zombie Lovie. Turner for being predictable, except for when he's making a completely assinine call to "outsmart" the opponent. Babich for mismanaging this defense worse than Michael Jackson has mismanaged his "tan".