jason

1) I've given credit and ripped. This is the first time I have seen you admit to the fact that the FB dive play is a stupid play in that scenario. I have, however, seen you say it was a good play somewhere else on this board. Keep in mind that the praise being delivered is still being given to an offense that had 13 whole points with less than a minute to go - so it's not like they're tearing it up. And as for "taking it down the field" in the last minute, that was almost a no-brainer. It's hard to give credit to someone calling plays when they have no real choice. You give credit to the players in that situation. To give Turner credit for the last minute drive, a drive in which the play-calls were a given, is like giving credit to someone when they choose to drink water instead of bleach - when the choice is blatantly clear, it's really hard to screw up. On that same note, if the players screw up in that situation, it's all on them. 2) Like I said multiple times, I didn't have a problem with the squib kick at the time. I also don't think I would have been troubled by a long kick. If the guy returns it, he returns it. There is only one player in the NFL that warrants kicking away, and that player is Devin Hester...and he doesn't deserve it this year. 3) So, what you are saying is, it's possible, however slightly you may think the percentages are, that we fans may be able to see things and make calls, at times, the coaches can't? Are you telling me that it's possible the high-and-mighty coaches in the NFL are not absolutely infallible? Or is it just the defensive coach that can be questioned? Careful, your slip is showing.

1) Agreed - same thing I've said. It's common football knowledge. 2) Meh. The more I think about this, the more I think your position is right. But at the time, I didn't think it was a bad idea. 3) Agreed - same thing I've said. It's common football knowledge. Cue azbear to swing on Turner's nuts and tell you that you don't know what you are talking about because you aren't an NFL coach.

Why is everyone so quick to throw the defense under the bus? They weren't great, but the blame is shared on this one. Or, maybe you all think that 20 points against a mediocre defense is good? Not to mention the fact that without a last gasp, holy Sh#@ throw with a few seconds left, it was really 13. Through three quarters, and almost the entire fourth quarter, the Bears offense scored 13 points. And it's all the defense's fault? Keep in mind that if the Bears actually score on the goal-line sequence, the Bears pretty much win.

I don't have a problem with the squib kick, but it could have been harder. I do have a problem with the defense on that last play, however. The Falcons had a long way to go to get into FG range, and one T.O. The natural place to attack the cover 2 is right behind the DBs on the sideline, and in front of the Safeties. That's painfully obvious, and anyone who knows anything about the cover 2 will agree. It's passive, and it has holes. Instead it would have been better to blitz two LBs, force the Falcons into a quick play, the DBs playing bump-and-run, and gang up on the tackle. The safeties playing cautiously for the lob of course, but they'd be aware that they were responsible for jarring something loose over the deep middle.

That's unreal. How are you not ready for the deep out? That's the play they HAD TO RUN.

Really? I hadn't heard that.

Steltz and the hair got him!

Bingo.

HAHAHAAHA!!! CLASSIC!! Orton made some huge throws in that drive. Davis made a very tough catch as well. Great drive.

With a 3rd-and-1 on the goal-line, the best possible option is to make a play that involves your main, #1 RB. He can either take the hole, cutback, or try to make something happen. If you want to do something other than that to be tricky, then you run a play-action rollout off of that. The Titans did it for years and years with McNair to Wycheck. It's not that difficult to understand. But you go on thinking that the McKie FB dive is a good call.

Why should I? You've been too stupid to get it thus far, I doubt you'll catch on now.

I don't see how you guys can so blindly say that the defense lost the game. Look at the drives in the first half: Chicago had four, Atlanta had four (five). Chicago came up with 3 points. Atlanta came up with 9 points. Look at the second half (until this point - at the ATL missed FG): It's been fairly even, but you have to put a lot of blame on the offense, and more specifically Turner, for not coming through at the ATL goal-line. With that touchdown, it's a completely different game, and the Bears are winning 20-19 going into the 2:00 warning, not trailing 13-19. I'd say this could easily be split down the middle if anything, but the offense didn't exactly do a lot to win the game. Hell, Detroit had given up 21 points or over to every opponent except the horrible Chiefs team this year.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....how can you question Ron Turner?! He's been doing this for years and years professionally! You should just be quiet because you clearly don't have a clue. Ron Turner is a great OC, and by sheer virtue that he is in the NFL means that you couldn't possibly make a decision that is remotely close to his brilliance. Sarcasm aside, anyone who thinks that McKie FB dive play is good, is completely effing retarded, knows nothing about football, and doesn't deserve any sort of reply regarding strategy. Simply put, on third and short, you have to give it to your main guy, Forte. If not, there needs to be deception like a play-action call involving that same player.

But is that a knock on Bradley, Lovie (and OC), or both? Considering the fact that the Bears' WRs haven't been tearing up the league, I'd have to say that it is at the very least a shared fault. Of course, I was a fan of Bradley's (when not injured) for some time, and felt all he really needed was a chance to shine. Because, let's be honest, when the dude was on the field and the ball made it his way, he looked fast, strong, and big. But when you only see one or two balls thrown your way a game, it's tough to get out of a doghouse that doesn't exactly have a wide door for success.

Looks like we're going to go ahead and scratch this idea. He acted like a baby the entire game versus the Bears, had drops, threw fits, and isn't nearly as talented as someone like TO or Randy Moss (who barely make it tolerable). Roy Williams - pass

WOW! Hester is too fast for any of the Detroit DBs. TD.

I like the fact that Turner and Orton are opening it up some this game. More than one intermediate to long passes.

3rd and short - the opponent has to respect the run as well as the play action 4th and short - there is almost a 99% guarantee that it will be a run. The offense AND the defense knows this. With that said, I still think the Bears' players should be able to get 1 yard on a 4th and 1, even when the opposing defense knows it's coming.

3rd and short...give to Forte...first down as he bounces off sissy tacklers. Imagine that.

TRADE 3RD AND 4TH TO MIAMI FOR JOHN BECK??? That's ridiculous. There are all-star players who have gone for much less. You may as well throw in a hand job from Lovie if you're going to offer Miami so much.

Which is precisely why it doesn't work that well with the current players. Do you even realize the fact you are contradicting yourself? By design, Alex Brown is taking himself out of the play by going wide. Since the DTs are not getting a great consistent push, the QB simply has to step up and throw the ball - which Griese did over 60 times. It's also part of the reason why the slant is so easy to execute against the Bears. With no DE to bat down the ball, the passing lane is just there for the taking (added to the DBs playing so far off the ball). It's a great idea in theory, but most teams do not have the luxury of pass-rushing DTs. Since the Bears don't have those, then the scheme has to change.

Ummm...because he's rushing the exact same way he does every time!? The same thing that has caused frustration is the same reason why he got burned on the reverse. He crashes outside, and in a looping motion to the QB. It's why he's susceptible to the reverse. It's also why he was in on the 4th down goal-line stand. It's the only rushing angle he uses. It's really not that hard to understand. The thing he does over and over and over can be exploited, and often is to the detriment of our entire defense.

Honestly, I hope he crushes them in the first half, and that cause the Lions to step up...and THAT leads the Bears to a productive passing game in the second half. It'd be nice to see a completely dominating offensive performance for once.

He's definitely delivered more crunching hits than anyone else on the roster.

Dear AZ, Thanks for proving how little you know about football. The Defensive Ends are largely unproductive, and it's almost guaranteed that it's by design. Also, between the two of us, you'd be the student, not the instructor. Sincerely, Someone who knows a lot more about football than you do