jason

Doesn't seem like so many to me. When you consider the fact that there are literally thousands of cops and the best anyone can do is provide a handful of them who are corrupt...seems like pretty good odds of finding a good one. As for Benson, he's yet another troubled athlete in professional sports. It sure does seem like many more of them get in trouble percentage-wise, than any collection of cops, or for that matter the general population.

I was generalizing with the concept of police in general. As a whole, their opinions, morals, ethics, and word are far superior to what we have seen from Cedric Benson.

Scott Williams has 1+ NBA Championship Rings, Karl Malone has 0 Scott Williams > Karl Malone

When I read, "Pepperspray?? Christ almighty" I started to side against you. When I read the rest of the post, I quietly laughed in my office, clicked reply, and found the following appropriate:

Or maybe, just maybe, Benson was presenting himself in a hostile manner, and deserved to get a face full of pepper spray from an officer who didn't want to get into a physical altercation. Pepper spray is a non-lethal alternative to what otherwise could have been a nightstick to the head, and a cracked open skull or broken leg. Personally, I take a police officer's word over Benson's. I don't know the cop, but I know Benson has pretty much been a selfish, greedy, ignorant turd the entire time he's been with the Bears. We may never find out what actually happened, but there's a pretty safe bet in siding with an officer who risks his life daily over friggin' Benson.

Before you read this, remember that I was once the biggest Benson hater on the board... -blocking: He's not horrible at blocking, just alignment -vision: I don't think his vision is bad. It looks fine when there are holes -runs into his own linemen: This is going to happen when the OL gets blown off the ball on a regular basis -blames the o-line: I'd like him to take the high road rather than blaming the OL, but it's understandable since the OL sucked last year, and they were easily the weakest link on the team -playing while injured: I don't think there is irrefutable evidence that he was "mildly" injured and didn't play. -out of shape: Where has it conclusively been stated that he has been out of shape? In order to be the downhill, bruising RB that so many on this board want, he has to have a few extra pounds to blast LBs and DBs. Personally, I prefer the homerun hitters. I don't know if he does anything well, to be quite honest. However, I don't know that we've seen enough of CB behind a decent OL to really know what he can do.

I find the first part of this statement to be complete BS. Cops don't spray people because they are scared. More often than not, cops spray people who are: A ) acting like dumbasses and resisting arrest B ) in a group of people who can't be calmly controlled by the number of officers present Your personal experience falls into group B. Benson's falls into group A.

Please refer to the year before last when he was healthy and the OL was not horrible for proof to refute your misinformation. I'll give you a head start:

I still don't really see a reason to get rid of him...but I think JA jinxed him.

Like there is going to be a report where Lovie says, "Yeah, I thought Williams looked fat and slow, and Forte? Woooo...he's gonna suck. Friggin' Bennet can't catch a cold. We've got a loooooong year ahead of us for this scrub ass rookie class."

And, for the most part, I happen to agree with him. Lots of risks. Williams is the right position, but many had others rated higher. Forte could easily be seen as a reach considering the others that were there. Bennet could easily be seen as a bad pick considering other WRs who were there. And then the draft got into craziness. I like the 1st and 3rd rounders, but I agree with much of his sentiments about the rest of it.

To take the finances a bit further, I think your analogy is off. Benson isn't a stock that will bottom out and cost the Bears more money; the money spent on him is already locked up. At this point he's like an equite index annuity. There's not an overly great chance at a big return, but there is no real worry of loss either. It's either great upside or meager returns from a safe floor. As for my belief in him, that's a different issue. I am not really a Benson fan, never have been. But I'm all for what makes the Bears better, and once TJ was let go, I jumped on board the Benson bandwagon. I saw enough glimpses in on-off time two years ago to know that he's got talent. I remember watching the N.O. game thinking, "Wow, this kid might be really good." But he split time with TJ and ran behind a garbage OL the next year. I'd just like to see what he can do as the #1 RB when the Bears OL doesn't stink, a chance he didn't get last year. No offense to Kenny Rogers.

Personally, I trust sound financial analysis over witticisms from Kenny friggin Rogers. To cut losses now is just plain stupid. It costs more to cut him than it does to keep him. And that's not even taking into account the fact that the kid still has a lot of upside and talent, and if the OL doesn't stink to high heavens, then he trucks people in the secondary.

I sure as hell hope you are counting the Super Bowl in your count of "exactly 1 chance he was given where he failed".

It's funny to me. I HATED the Benson selection. I knew TJ was good. Unfortunately, Benson was selected at #4. Then TJ was released, making Benson the #1 guy. I fully supported him once he was on the field, but now as the #1, I really wanted him to succeed. He did OK the first year splitting carries. Then, last year, the Bears regressed on offense because of OL sucked so badly. And, of course, Benson did poorly. So, now, it's the same thing all over again. I find it funny that I'm not a Benson supporter, trying to tell everyone the guy has talent if the OL would do well. When he gets an OL, he's good. Of course, the Bears drafted a RB again, which I feel is another mistake. The Bears, and in large part the Bears' fans, are like bad investors. Some times you have to give an investment time to mature, and if you try to take money out too early, then the investment doesn't pay out like it should/would if you just allowed it to do what it's supposed to do. It'll happen again this year. The Bears OL will improve, and Benson will look a lot better. Then the questions will come out about why the Bears drafted a RB. And I'll sit back, hope the Bears get something for whichever RB they get rid of, and get irritated about the deja vu.

WR: It could easily be argued that the Bears regressed. However, I'll give them a constant. They didn't get better or worse. Booker and MuhMuh are a wash. The loss of Berrian hurts because he was the only one that consistently stretched the opponents' D. The other guys are unknown and unpolished. OL: They got better, but is it enough? I don't know that it is, and I think that there was a definite need at OG that wasn't addressed soon enough. RB: I'm not sure about this one. This could easily be subtraction by addition. Forte is an unknown, and I'll be pessimistic until he shows otherwise. Benson is moody and this could easily spell the end of his sorry career. The Forte drafting could also spell the quick end to Wolfe, who will probably not see many carries while Forte and Benson battle it out for the #1. IMHO it's somewhat upsetting, considering the fact that the OL played so miserably last year. The year before, when the OL played well, Benson did well, and looked good in his opportunities. I really think that the only thing that needed to be fixed was the OL. QB: Same every year... Defense: This is where I think the Bears made huge strides, but it's not necessarily because of the draft. Sure, there was Harrison, but he's a huge risk. The real impact will be made by the lack of injuries. The Bears will be returning Harris, Urlacher, PNut, Brown, Vasher, Dusty, Bazuin, and Okwo to full health/strength. I fully expect the Bears to be a top 5 D/ST if there are relatively no injuries next year.

Easy for me because I happen to believe your final statement is ridiculously false. Pepp may be damaged goods, but when healthy, he is a weapon far beyond Grossman or Orton.

It will be a shame and a waste if Bradley is healthy this year, and doesn't get to see more playing time because the coaches gave up on him and end up giving his time away to other WRs. I swear that dude could be a star if he could stay healthy.

This is a perfect example of why I don't think the problem is the style of approach. As you have shown, every avenue has been attempted. I believe the problem is, and seemingly always has been, a combination of scouting and coaching. Scouting Scouting, well, that's obvious. As I have stated many times, I think that a well-informed fan could have done just as good as our FO has done over the past 20 years when it comes to drafting as a whole. The defensive drafting may have taken a hit, but the overall product would have been as good or better. Hell, put twenty people from this board together, have them evaluate talent, watch games, and come to draft conclusions and I think the team would be overall better over that period of time. I think you (nfo) have hit on something when you mention the long line of defensive minded guys running the Bears. When a person knows something well, they tend to fall back on that knowledge when there is a difficult decision ahead. And when they try to step outside their comfort zone, and end up getting burned (Enis, McNown, Grossman, Benson), there is more of a tendency to gravitate right back to the familiar. Coaching I have only liked two Bears' OCs in my lifetime: Turner during his first go-around with the Bears, and Crowton. Regardless of success, the thing I liked is that they tried to attack. They didn't go for the safe route; they didn't nitpick; they didn't call for 3 yard passes on 3rd and 9. They tried to attack, and it made the Bears offense dangerous. It has only been during their respective reigns that the opponents have had to gameplan for the Bears' O. Nearly every other year, it was just a matter of a team knowing that if they got above 20 against the Bears' D, they were probably going to beat the Bears.

Although, it is a lot less likely that an UDFA will become a contributing or starting QB in the NFL.

Why exactly wasn't Schuening a good fit? Odd sounding to me considering the fact that he was highly regarded in most arenas as one of the top 5 Guard prospects coming into the draft. Add in the fact that Beekman couldn't beat out an immobile, one-armed, geriatric (NFL-age anyway), and the Bears could easily have started a mid-rounder who had talent but slipped (like your boy at DB). The only difference, of course, is that Tillman and Vasher are considered good, if not all pro, and nobody outside of the Bears has heard of Beekman.

LOL. I didn't even realize that. Too funny. However, that just shows how long the Bears have needed offensive firepower at the WR position. Each and every year the Bears need it, but never seem to get it. Therefore, one of the needs each year is WR. I suppose that's why I have vivid memories of wanting to draft various WRs. If they had drafted Randy Moss, however, I'm sure the memories would have been different.

It's obviously going to be Williams. As for Forte, I actually don't think he'll do much this year. I think he'll serve as motivation for Benson, and with a better OL, Benson will do better. Then the Bears will have a RB quandry, and be forced to give carries to Benson while wishing they could give them to Forte.

The ending was funny. I wonder, am I the only one that noticed his offensive line just happened to be awesome?? Huge holes. All but about three runs were basically offensive line highlights, with him busting through to the second level before anyone sniffed him.

I don't know much about Gabrial; so, I really don't know his background. However, as far as Angelo goes, I think it has something to do with his inability to evaluate offensive talent, but also the coaches he has had to work with. Each coach wanted "their guy" that fit into "their system". As a result, IMO, the average picks were made. What I mean by that is the collective wanted a guy who looked like he would have solid numbers, solid production, and be a spoke in the wheel. What they don't do, however, is look for the guy who might explode onto the NFL. It's the old-school "3 yards and a cloud of dust" mentality. I fear that it may be too ingrained in the city of Chicago, the team, and the fans to get away from it. Hell, the only guy with an imagination who has been involved with the Bears on offense in the last 20 years has been Crowton, and he got run out of town. He may not have had the best ideas, the best tools, or the best gameplans...but he tried to be explosive. So, the long answer is, both. I think part of it's on the owners, part on JA, part on the city's mindset, and part on the coaches. Although, I tend to put more of the blame on the coaches than anyone else. Our offensive coaches have been horrible for quite some time.