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Good deal, if he can get healthy in time to return this year we could use all the help "warm bodies" at WR we can get. On that thinking what would it hurt to consider bringing Cruz back? I know he had some bad drops in preseason but his veteran presence and ability to get open couldn't hurt at this point?

"Rodger" that

Wouldn't the Bears have had to designate him as IR to return vs season ending IR? Not sure you can go back and change the designation later

OMG Letterman at the Payton Manning thing he's nearly unrecognizable. I couldn't believe that was him at first lol

It is a rare thing. The only other team that comes to mind passing the HOF torch is the 49ers going from Montana to Young. The Colts could pull it off if Luck can get healthy and wind up having a long productive career there. From the time that Favre took over in 1992 after being traded from the Falcons till 2008 when Farve was traded to the Jets and Rodgers took over till present. 16 years of Favre and 9 years and counting for Rodgers, is 25 years of HOF QB play. Interestingly enough in that 25 year span they have only appeared in 3 Super Bowls (2 with Favre and one with Rodgers), winning 2 of those 3. That said Brett and Rodgers have lead them to the playoffs in all but 7 seasons in that span. It makes it harder when our own team has struggled so mightily over that span. We all remember the obligatory QB list they'd throw up every time we played the Packers to rub it in our faces just how bad it's been for us. So there is some jealousy in our Packers hate. You have to think at some point the tide will turn and maybe with Mitch it has started to turn. Don't have to spend much time reading the Packer's board to realize the grass isn't always greener. There is a lot of call for coaching and management changes, their offensive line has been an issue for the past few years and their D has been suspect. Simply put without Favre and Rodgers where would that team be? I may hate the packers, and I may not like Rodgers or Favre there's no arguing how good they were and are and what they've meant to keeping their team viable. I'll just be glad when they slip into mediocrity and have their fill of humble pie.

Good assessments of the game. It was an ugly win but a win nonetheless. Till we can pass block, or get WR's open we'll probably see more of the same. This is "run heavy" to the extreme. Of the first 25 plays 20 were runs, the trend has continued since the season started and if anything is getting more run heavy. I think we had something like 9 pass attempts in the first half.... 9???. We are neutering the offense and holding Trubisky back. Who despite the almost non existent pass blocking, WR's not getting open, and playacting that takes what he does best out of the equation. I know they are partly trying to protect him but just handing off over and over isn't really teaching him anything. But given there's almost never anyone open to throw to outside of blown coverage, and line that can't pass block, is a recipe for disaster. I think part of the approach is knowing we were facing an aggressive defensive front as we did last week, and will face another one with the Panthers. I do like that Trubisky is learning to throw it away rather than force it and risk putting the team in a bad spot. He has thus far demonstrated good composure when things go wrong. We again saw multiple bad snaps, Whitehair must have started taking suck pills this offseason he went from promising young lineman to whatever the hell that is playing center now. Is it possible to move him to guard, his poor snapping is a liability to an already crippled offense. There's virtually no margin of error on this offense so miscues like bad snaps and dumb penalties will continue to kill us. Run game, it actually amazes me how effective we've been at running the ball given teams know that's pretty much all we're going to do on any given down. This to me speaks volumes for how good a back Howard is. That run in OT on 3rd and forever to get us into field goal range was huge! The kid plays his heart out every time he suits up. Cohen did better this week of sticking to the play design. He had one freelance play that resulted in a block in the back. Big plays will come but he has to learn that not every play has to be a home run. It's like hitter in baseball swinging for the fences every time when sometimes all you need is a base hit. He'll learn that. Howard is a good one to learn from to be patient. Pick your spots, when he gets that down he's going to be a dangerous change of pace. The future random of Howard and Cohen looks bright. When watching our WR's rarely get open what keeps coming to mind is that their lack of ability to get separation is even worse when one considers we are seeing 8, 9, and 10 man fronts. our WR's scare no one and rightly so. With these stacked boxes they are facing man to man or zone coverage and still can't get open. There isn't a lot of variety in our routes in either length or pattern. I think this could also play into why we aren't getting guys open. Similar to having a QB who never moves like Glennon defenders know the launch point and don't have to think or guess they can play on auto pilot. Perhaps the same thing is partly at play here, if secondaries pretty much know where the receivers will be on any given play, it's much easier to defend the pass. Also makes the passing lanes more predictable. It's also maddening that on long down and distance we have far too many routes short of the sticks. On 3rd and long there should not be a single route ran short of the sticks aside from a RB dump off or a screen. Which come to think of it with these stacked boxes we should be running more screen plays to take advantage of teams overcommitting to stop the run. Loggains doesn't have much to work with but he also doesn't do well working with what he has. No one expects us to have a high powered offense but a little balance will go a long way. The defense was the reason we won. All those almost plays where we nearly came up with a pick, we finally got some turnovers at critical times. Especially the pick six which was a thing of beauty and such a critical play when the Ravens were closing the gap and had just cut the lead to 4 I believe and were driving it was a 10 point swing as I believe they in or close to FG range. It was a huge momentum swing. Special teams were anything but special. Forced to punt deep in our side of the field we shank the punt and spot them near midfield only needing to get about 25 yards for a shot at a game wining FG. Thankfully the D stood tall and forced a punt. Which we get the ball back deep and the offense goes nowhere till Howard saves the day. We give up two scores on special teams both inexcusable. No excuse for no one on the coverage team to touch him down instead we let him score while we look confused. I too thought it was really odd that Glennon was out there for the coin toss prior to OT. I also joked to my wife that Fox's "beard" was probably a no win no shave thing. I'm ready for Fox to be gone.

I never like seeing players get hurt. At Rodger's age that is a big injury. That said I feel absolutely no sympathy for the Packers in general. The ball almost always bounces their way. The breaks more often than not go their way when it comes to calls, lucky plays, etc. I don't like Rodger's as a person, he's an arrogant jerk, he wants nothing to do with his own family, I'm sick of that stupid smirk. For the longest time since Favre's dominance, I've said, I really can't wait till Rodgers retires and and hope that when that happens they struggle for at least a decade or two to find a serviceable QB. That team deserves to be a bottom feeder for the foreseeable future, they and their fan base could use a good humbling.

I was hoping they would bring Gentry back to the 53, but i kinda question the choice of player to cut. Why not cut Weaton who's done less than nothing vs Thomson who's at least contributed some at times. I know it's a bit of a tallest midget argument but seems like Weaton or Bellamay would be more cuttable.

Add in Diggs, Thielen, and even Rudolf. There are plenty of weapons for the Vikings. They have the talent to create mismatches and make big plays.

Not the easiest stretch of games for a rookie QB's debut with the vikings, ravens, panthers, a bit of a breather against the saints then the Packers at home. But you have to start sometime and I'm sure Trubisky welcomes the challenge. He'll no doubt make mistakes and at times costly ones, but those will be things he'll learn from. I don't feel like Mitch is the type of mentally fragile QB that will get rattled by adversity. He's shown throughout his career that he is a resilient kid. He'll learn from mistakes and will grow and get better for the experience. We do need to be patient with him because I think in the long run he will be a very good QB for us. Sticking with Glennon shows a lack of commitment to winning this season. Glennon is what he is he will never get better than what we've seen. So you either stick with Glennon and are ok getting embarrassed, or you get the rookie in there and accept the growing pains. My only concern is keeping Trubisky healthy. Our offensive line is a concern in my mind but with Mitch you have a guy who's mobile seems to have a good pocket awareness and can evade pressure to extend plays and can make plays on the run. Perhaps simply having that element will the line. With Glennon he is a statue and defenses know where the launch point is. It's been mentioned here and in broadcast about how Trubisky fits what we want to do on offense better than Glennon does. Trubisky's mobility opens up more rollouts, play action, etc. Even with the tough slate in front of Trubiskey, there isn't any film on him outside of what he showed in preseason. The pressure to succeed and win isn't going to be there on a 1-3. But we'll need patience to ride the ups and downs. The upside and potential I feel is worth it. Having him continue to sit and watch Glennon crap the bed has no educational value whatsoever. So this is the right move.

Like most here I don't think the intent was injury, and it's one of those situations where he committed to the hit and Adams position changed thus leading to a vicious helmet to helmet. What Trevathan could have done was not lead his hit with the helmet. Even if Adams stays upright it's still really close to spearing which is also dangerous. Trevathan is a hard hitting player and you love that about him. And I believe he was sincere in his reaction. Players still need to play under control and be aware of the situation. Itt's 3rd and Goal from what the 16 or so and we have him stopped well short of the end zone. There's no need for Trevathan to charge in there. If he restrained we stop them and hold them to a FG, instead it's a fresh set of downs half the distance to the goal resulting in a TD and a 4 point difference. In the grand scheme of the game it didn't matter as we got blown out, but that kind of thing hurts your team and it resulted in serious injury to Adams. Thoughts and prayers to him and his family. Fortunately he had movement in all his extremities.

like stinger said the first thing that comes to mind is when the clock hit 0's and it was over. This was painful to watch. Words can't come close to describing how awful Mike Glennon is. Is this staff really willing to sit by and watch this team go down in flames with him? Even Helen Keller could see he's not a real QB. That "performance" last night is exactly why the Bears are the laughing stock of the NFL. Wonder why no one gives us respect? look no further than 4 quarters of embarrassing football. It was gutless from a play calling standpoint, a coaching standpoint, and an execution standpoint. When this mess ended and I promptly shut the TV off, I asked myself why did I watch that whole thing? Mr. Glennon, what we've just witnessed is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever seen. At no point in this bumbling, incoherent effort were you even close to anything that could be considered a professional QB. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having seen it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Especially hard to learn anything useful while watching the disaster that is Glennon. Other than learning what not to do. After tonight there is no defending Glennon. Fear of failure stunting his growth is not a valid argument anymore. Watching this train wreck of an offense led by a sorry excuse for a qb just might. It's time for a change. We have an extended break before week 5. Watiching this team till they make the change is not good for my blood pressure. Tonight's game was beyond infuriating.

Floyd should have had a sack but left his feet and Ben is athletic enough to evade that. Ben's not an easy QB to bring down, we got to him a some key spots. I do feel like our D has grown leaps and bounds since Fangio got here. The sacks and turnovers will come. Like I said after the Atlanta game this D will keep us in games. But the offense has got to get better and help them out. Going into the season I knew the D and the Run game would be a strength and that's been true thus far. Special teams has been much improved, the offense has gone in reverse.

In agreement as well, he's gotta get his feet wet at some point. Trubisky doesn't strike me as the type who will get shell shocked and be ruined. He strikes me as a very resilient kid who who will take mistakes as lessons to learn from and will work his butt off to make sure he doesn't repeat mistakes. Having Long back in the mix will help though now Grasu has a club on his hand. The deck at Oline keeps getting shuffled. Stability would help with throwing Trubisky out there. That said, having a statue like Glennon can make an Oline look worse than it is. When defenders don't have to worry about the launch point ever changing they can just tee off. The thing I really liked about Mitch in the preseason was his pocket awareness and mobility within it and ability to evade pressure. May have been mostly against 2nd & 3rd stringers it's an intangible that a QB either has or doesn't have. Perhaps someone with Mitch's mobility can help out the line because he can get out of trouble, and extend plays. Who knows he could go out there and light it up. Won't know till he gets real meaningful action.

I was on the side letting the kid sit this year but have been moving towards wanting to see him start. Our offense (if you can call it that) is painful to watch. Did Glennon throw to a WR at all yesterday? Sure didn't seem like it. Not sure Glennon can throw beyond 5-10 yards and even then they are dirt throws. He doesn't look comfortable, can't move well, just looks insanely awkward back there. Never thought I'd see a QB make me miss Jay Cutler but it's happened. There is nothing fluid about Glennon, he's a sack, fumble, pick waiting to happen. I know we don't have much to throw to but if all he's gonna do is hand off or dump off to the backs out of the backfield the water boy could do that. No defense will respect the throw they'll stack the box to defend the run, and let him dump off to the RB's all day and make the stops. I think it's time to look for an opportunity to work Trubisky into the lineup, I'd start now getting him first team reps you could split the practice reps 50/50 or even have Trubisky get the majority of the first team reps. Does Glennon really need all the 1st team reps to prepare to hand off or dump off, and throw picks, take sacks, and fumble? The fact that Howard and Cohen were as effective as the were is a testament to them and the line's run blocking because the defenses know what's going to happen. But if we keep doing what we're doing teams will take that away too. I'm sure the D gets tired of being expected to shut teams out for us to have a shot and constantly get put in a bad position because the offense dropped the ball (literally).

to early to play the what if game, just as it takes 2-3 years to truly evaluate the players you did take it's the same with the players you didn't take. We took 5 guys Trubisky's strong preseason showing gives hope that when he does take over could be the long term answer at QB we've been searching for. In the mean time Cohen has produced outside of the dumb play on that punt return he's carving out a role for himself. Jackson has shown promise at safety. Shaheen hasn't done much but it's a crowded position at TE and Morgan is a backup. As for starting Trubisky if he does start an opportune time might be been week 8 & 10 using the bye week to give him an extra week with the 1s. It would mean getting his first start at home vs the Packers. But having the extra week to prepare and practice reps should help. Before the season started I was in the category of hoping that Trubisky would look good in preseason and Glennon would look average or better giving us a win win to let Trubisky sit a year, and possibly having a trade piece in Glennon. So far only one of those things has come to pass. Glennon is slow, holds the ball too long, has virtually no mobility, locks onto his WR, and generally doesn't look comfortable and in control. There has been injuries to an already thin WR group, and drops but Glennon thus far doesn't instill much confidence. So far he's proven why he's held a clipboard more than he's started. No doubt if the struggles continue the pressure to start Mitch will become suffocating.

Agree, and it sucks to lose we had multiple dropped TD's that would have won the game. Belemay was held and it should have been 1st and goal at the 1. We were within inches of beating the defending NFC champs who's high powered offense was held to 23 points. Tackling does need cleaned up and there's no excuse for the Hooper TD but that is one play. The Bears didn't quit they fought hard and put themselves in position to win this game. A game almost no one gave them a chance to even be in. Atlanta escaped with a win. I don't usually like moral victories there are different kinds of moral victories. Not getting blown out by the Falcons could be considered a moral victory, but we not only didn't get blown out but we should have won this game we had it there for the taking. This is the type of loss you can build on and build confidence from. I feel like our defense will keep us in games, and our offense will take time to find it's identity. There was a point when they seemed to open the playbook and we got our WR's more involved and that sparked the offense. We're thin there and it's going to take contributions from all of them and our TE's. For a rebuilding team, you want to become competitive first, then there is a point between finding ways to lose and finding ways to win. In a game inches that can be a very fine line. Today we had a win in our grasp and came up just short. Here's hoping it makes the players hungry and work on taking these "almost victories" and make them wins.

Sucks and could be the last straw on his career here if you can call it a career. Gotta be honest, will he be missed? Through preseason and up to the injury today It's been a where's waldo with him. I had high expectations when we drafted him and he's done nothing to shake the bust label. Sad but it's time to move on and give up on him. WR should be a priority next draft obviously we need to find a stud. Hard to know who to throw to with a lot of average to mediocre at the position.

Of the top 4 (Trubisky, Watson, Keizer, and Mahomes. I do feel we got the most pro ready and possibly the best of the 2017 QB class. If that holds true it would sure be nice to finally solve that position long term especially having drafted him instead of trading for a potential franchise QB, because I feel that bodes well for Pace and our scouts. IMO any GM can recognize a player who's emerged at whatever position and try to trade for them. The good teams and good GM's build through the draft and argument with pieces in FA/trade. Having observed these QB's myself and this and other articles it sure seems we got the cream of the crop. Too early to tell for sure but there are good signs to that end. We'll see how these 4 progress this year and beyond. Keizer is the only day one starter but it's the Browns. Not exactly a high bar achievement. Watson and Trubisky could get starts this season. If the Bears stick to their stated plan, he and Mahomes will be the 2 in the group that don't see the field this year much if at all. Watson most likely will get some starts at some point. What's interesting is that my initial thought on these guys has mostly panned out through the preseason. Mahomes is a young Jay Cutler type. Bad/inconsistent footwork. Reckless with the ball and struggles with pocket presence. But will wow you with amazing ad lib plays when things break down and it turns into street ball. When he's on he can be really good, when he's off he's off and it can be ugly. I see a very streaky player that needs to work on fundamentals and clean up his footwork if he's going to be consistently good. Sound familiar? Keizer his write up nails him to a T. I watched a lot of Keizer as a ND fan and he can be a very frustrating QB to watch because you can see the talent, and tools are there to be a good to great QB. And he can display it for games at a time but he tends to have stretches where he makes poor decisions and appears overwhelmed and doesn't have a handle on a wide range of types of throws needed. When he first got onto the scene he looked like the real deal but as his career at ND went on his consistency suffered and he was an up/down kinda player. High ceiling but also a low basement. Reminds me a little of a Rex Grossman with the good Rex, bad Rex. In both cases the coaching didn't help matters. Watson was touted by some as the best QB in the draft coming from a winning program at Clemson, but NFL's don't run Watson's type of offense. At Clemson his athletic ability to ad lib and make plays with his feet doesn't quite fit the existing Texan's offense. The solution is probably somewhere in the middle, reworking things in their offense to suit his skills/talent and Watson working on versatility to be able work from the pocket, make his reads, and be more careful with the ball. What you can get away with in college can make you a turnover machine in the pros. Trubisky has impressed me with his pocket presence, ball placement, accuracy both from the pocket and on the run. He never really looks overwhelmed out there like the game is too big for him. He has things to work on of course. What I like about Trubisky is that he has a lot of the intangibles that are either difficult or impossible to teach. His work ethic I will serve him well as he learns to read NFL defenses that are much more complex and aggressive than college. He needs to work more with the 1's. Perhaps as the season goes he can get some 1st team reps in practice. I know the plan is to sit him all year but that may change if Glennon struggles. We have a week 9 bye if a change was going to be made that might be a good time to give him an extra week of practice before going out there.

No worries Pix. Thanks for taking the time to try and get a redraft league going. Maybe next year.

It is too early to get a real sense of how good or bad the recent drafts have been. There certainly is reason to be optimistic about our Pace's draft classes. We've seen players (all across the league) flash early in their careers only to fizzle out, we've seen players look like busts early only to figure it out and have good careers, and others play as advertised good or bad. The short term is looking positive. Time will tell what the long term holds. I do like what I've seen from our recent drafts/udfa's and I feel like the bottom end of our roster has gotten much better since Pace took over. I think that shows in special teams, both coverage and return. We see it especially in the defense. I think this is so important as we've seen more than our share of starters go down, the well run teams have the depth that they can withstand injuries especially key players.

It is interesting to look at the numbers. I'd say this years QB class could prove to be better than advertised and reenforce perspective GM's choice in drafting them. In other ways they are matching up to their scouting reports. I watched Kizer at ND and he is boom/bust. Watson is more of the running type QB like a Cam Newton, Trubisky is more of the pocket passer but has mobility and pocket presence to make the most of his accuracy both from the pocket and on the move. Mahomes is a lot like a young Jay Cutler I thought Houston gave a bit too much for him but we'll see. He has the tools but like Cutler can get sloppy in his mechanics but will make highlight throws. Small sample size but will be interesting how the numbers look with real games.

Trubisky's debut sure made the rounds and turned heads last weekend. At PFF he made their preseason week 1 team of the week. If he keeps up the level of play he showed last Thursday he's going to make a lot of "experts" eat large quantities of crow pie. We Bears fans have long suffered through poor QB play, it's exciting to think we possibly could finally have a legit franchise QB. No one will care about the move up one spot to take him. It is only one preseason game, and it was against 2nd and 3rd stringers, but a lot of "experts" talked a lot of crap about the pick, and how it all went down. PFF Preseason week 1 team of the week

I see it as nothing more than bringing in someone to compete. If he out performs Barth you keep him, if he doesn't you cut him. I don't mind them kicking the tires on a player who has some potential. We won't have 2 kickers on the 53 so it's just a competition thing at this point. He hasn't lived up to his potential in the NFL yet and may not be on the team long. Barth isn't a long term solution Aguayo is a tryout. We'll likely have to invest a pick at some point on a long term kicker like we had in Gould