BearFan2000

I'll probably get flamed for this but. I knew the inevitable outcome of this game and yes you'd have to be an idiot not to realize what a huge mismatch this game was. But that being said I for one am a big time USC Hater. I cannot stand that team or it's coach. So I will always root for the team playing them. The guy was going down and in the grasp of the other USC player before Mays left his feet and launched into the player. The reason the flag was throw was the violent way his head snapped to the side. That wasn't the only cheap shot laid but there were others and that is USC's MO they will hit you even if you are down or practically down. That said I do like his intensity but that kind of intensity does us no good if he draws flags like that. That will be called in the NFL 90% of the time. If he can play intense and play smart then I have no problem bringing him here. We could definitely use an intimidating presence in our defense.

I just find it very amusing that he winds up on a team that isn't going to let him bend them over a barrel like Green Bay did now that his true colors are showing. He's pulled this crap for how many years now? Honestly though the Jets should have known they were trading for damaged goods. But chose to take their chances. So it sounds as though the king decided not to mingle with his subjects but rather sit alone in his throne room. Where's your crown king nothing? It's clear why Mangini didn't want him or wasn't too high on bringing him there. Even funnier the guy they rejected became a star in Miami lol. I remember a game a few years back when Pennington went down to injury and the crowd cheered so they could put in the backup. The Jets got punked.

Seems that all you can find online is a list of the transactions, and player rating changes, etc. Not an actual file to download and apply to the the Xbox 360. Not a problem though as I have Xbox live now and have ordered a 12 month + 1 card along with the wireless network adapter. I didn't like the idea of running network wiring under my crawl space. I will say this though playing online against real people is kind of addicting. Only cons are you run into guys who don't finish, or lately I've seen guys who on offense just drop way back and run around then lob the ball downfield. Usually I either knock it down, get the sack or pick it off. They also never punt or kick the field goal they go for it on 4th down always even if it's like 4th and 30/40. They also rarely kick off normally but instead onsides kick. I'd much rather play people who take it seriously and actually play the game like you would an actual game. I always look for a realistic experience there are guys out there who play that way just sucks when you get into a game and some idiot plays the way I mentioned above. I've only been online twice as it's a bit of a hassle to move the modem to the other room and hook it up just to play live. I'd like to build a friends list of people from this board my gamertag is BF2K

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Sadly I agree, would be surprised if anyone of the three get fired. I see assistants getting fired. There will be scapegoats but we'll be stuck with the the same three guys we had this year. And here I thought we got rid of the three stooges..... looks like all we did is hire their backups. I would like to see at the very least Babich gone yesterday. Turner has gotten something out of nothing, he does have his pet plays that he thinks are clever and have yet to work. But he hasn't had much to work with. With Lovie it seems that our defensive schemes will never stray too far away from the cover 2. However, the right guy in there can make a difference. The situation was the same with Chico and he got that D to play at a high level. I'm convinced that Babich was actually some janitor they found and promoted to DC and has no clue how to run a defense. I'm positive we're stuck with Lovie but with the right coordinator combination and a good offseason in the draft and free agency I think we could see improvement in the overall product on the field.

If you look at record only you could say 9-6 and barely missing the playoffs is respectable but it doesn't tell the true tale of how this team played. Early on my prediction was a sub 500 finish I predicted 6-10 and their record was better than that. We beat Indy soundly in their house and I though hey this team might actually be good. What followed was a mixture of decent games, games that we had won but snatched a loss out of the jaws of victory. The erratic play continued we lost games we should have won, won games we should have lost, and played that way till the end of the season. There were only a handful of convincing wins. But the majority of our games were either blown or somehow won at the last min. I understand that good teams pull wins out of their arses on occasion like we did in AZ in 2006. But for good teams that only on occasion not their MO. Good teams are consistent, and play with intensity. The only thing consistent about the 2008 Bears has been their inconsistency. When you ask yourself before game time, which team shows up today the one that beat indy, the one that blew it against tampa and carolina, or the one that shouldn't win but somehow pulls it out. For me it's the manner in which the team has played this season that I find more embarrassing than the results in the standings Overall Kyle has been one of the bright spots for this team Forte, what a find I liked this kid from day one and was thrilled that we dumped Seabass because I knew it would mean he'd be the starter. He hasn't disappointed me one bit. He's a tough kid with enough make you miss and speed to be dangerous and he's 10 times the blocking back that Ced was. It's nice ot have a back that can be in on all downs rather than only on running downs. Briggs, for once we give a guy a pay day and he completely earns it. I doubted last offseason that he'd still be here and he's not only still here but he is one of our best defensive players. Alex Brown, has stepped up his game and has really made his presence felt. Izzy has also made his presence felt and has stepped up. Hester, has done better at WR than I thought he would, but needs to either be a WR or a Return man he obviously can't do both. Olsen has been everything I had hoped he'd be this year I was beginning to worry but he's really stepped up and become a consistent target. Gould has been solid and another guy who didn't get lazy after his payday. If we didn't have a kicker like him I doubt we'd even have won half the games we did. Maynard has had a decent year and has been an asset in the field position battle. Manning has played well late in the season he had a rough game yesterday but he wasn't alone. Though his fumble on the return was costly in the end he has provided a solid return threat on kickoffs and has done well in the nickle. Lloyd probably had one of his better days as a WR yesterday than he's had in a while. Overall I have to think that the schemes we run on defense have more to do with the poor play than the individual players. I still think the talent is there but that talent is wasted on a flawed scheme. To an extent I say that's a positive that we have the talent but we need a DC who can get the most out of it and light a fire under these guys they have grown soft and need someone who will get on them. I'm sure there are more positives than this.

agree well said. And it's not that we only see the negative there are positives but many of us are too frustrated right now in the heat of the moment to consider those or look for them beyond the obvious ones. I highly doubt any bears fans on this board who are true fans will jump ship over this. Truth be told this team can only blame itself for not deserving to be in the playoffs we had a shot to back into the playoffs with help. I'm sure over the next 24 hours or so after all of us are done venting, and our blood pressure has returned to a safe level, then we'll start looking at the positives and begin thinking and discussing how to turn this team around. It's just that some of us arrive at the silver lining sooner than others. I'm already starting to chill out a little. We all want to see this team perform well and win. Today's loss is more a microcosm of this season and if it was a hard fought game where we came up short it would be different but we have played like this practically all year. It's more how they lost and how this season has gone that is most aggravating. Sure we could be worse off and be the lions, but for an 0-16 team often time they've shown more heart than the Bears this year but just can't seem to get out of their own way. Shouldn't we expect more?

Yes but that doesn't negate the reality of a team that plays like it could care less. A staff that seems ambivalent. Players that are undisciplined, not fundamentally sound, unprepared, and lack any passion for the game. We have a lot of over paid pampered babies on this team that are not holding their end of the bargain. For the past two years we've heard this defense talk about how go they are yet they fail to show it with any consistency on the field. Flaming is unfairly attacking someone beyond what's called for. I for one expect more from my team than what I've seen over the last two seasons.

Expect some of us to vent our frustration by threatening to change teams. *in my best Arnold voice* They'll be back.

Absofrigginloutly disgraceful. This team should be ashamed of themselves with a few exceptions. Things that burned me watching this game: 1. trademark start out looking like you care build a lead and then put it in neutral and allow the other team back into the game and then they look like the team that wants it more. We fight hard at the start and at the very end and are dumbfounded when it's not enough. 2. making the same dam errors in coverage that we've been making all year. 16 games in and we still constantly out of position in the secondary and obviously can't cover anyone till well after they've caught the ball for the first down. 3. These guys have played Hight School, College, and are now in the pros and still can't tackle there is no excuse for this period. 4. Hearing that the Bears players on the sidelines with their blackberrys, iPhones, etc. score board watching..... here's a clue watch your own dam score board you are loosing if you lose none of that means a dam thing. First of all Lovie should not have even allowed them to have those on the sidelines. Get your heads out of your arses and pay attention to the game. 5. How much money is tied up in that defense that continues to let this team down. 6. There is too dam much talent on this team to suck this bad. 7. I am so embarrassed to call myself a Bears fan. I know they don't deserve to be in the playoffs and it's their own fault. It has just become so frustrating to watch this team and it's self inflicted wounds. I don't know if a word exists that describes how sick I am of watching this crap.

I would agree with you, that's partly what I was thinking when I posted. Having him transition to a player/coach and have him work with our other safeties. I'd include Payne and Steltz along with Manning. Manning has shown a lot of improvement lately and I think Payne has good potential too. Steltz I'm not sure on yet. But if you could have Brown instill the football knowledge he has and work with them till their lights go on it could pay huge dividends. I know Mike has a passion for the game and would take some convincing to take a less active role on the field but if he could help the team by helping improve the instincts of his teammates it would be a way of contributing to the team. I think Mike is a team player and would be willing to do what he can to help the team. He could start doing that right now. Being on IR for at least one more game this year. He's signed through 2010 I believe, so it would be a good opportunity for the Bears to utilize his knowledge by training his replacements.

What's the differences between the types of games. I chose quick match and unranked but there's a lot of variety in game types. The first game I was playing the cowboys and the guy dropped out of the game. Second game was against the Colts and it was scoreless till the 4th quarter and the final score was something like 10-3. I must admit one day into xbox live and I'm a bit overwhelmed by the choices. It also updated my xbox so now my dashboard looks way different. I was just getting used to the old one. I'm sure the opponent that was running up the score smelled blood and realized I was new at it and took advantage of that. Were the shoe on the other foot I would have stopped pouring it on once the game was out of reach 28-0 mid to late 3rd quarter when quarters are only 5 min would make me just try and kill the clock and end the game. When you go online do you have the option of picking a game to join or are the players on both ends selecting a game and xbox live searches from the players who are looking for an opponent like yourself. One thing I have found is that I need to spend some time in the practice mode for a while till I get the hang of it I suck right now since I haven't touched a Madden game for more than 2 years. Either that or play online as the Lions LOL. I have found some good tutorials on Youtube on reading defenses and running the ball that are pretty in depth. Having only a defensive tackle's background I know next to nothing about reading defenses pre-snap or during the play. I find myself throwing picks or getting sacked regularly. I know I tend to hold onto the ball too long and wait too long to throw to an open receiver. Running the ball is hit and miss so far. I've broken of some big runs but but have had more than my share of runs stuffed in the backfield. One thing that hasn't changed is that no matter how well your doing in a game that when the game is on the line the CPU has an uncanny ability to come up with a series of breaks that they need to win and there's no point in challenging you will never win a challenge, ever. Another curious thing is that the spot of the ball always favors the CPU. I can tackle the back in the backfield on first down and it will be second and 10 from the same spot, yet if I get tackled in the backfield it's at least 2nd and 11 or 2nd and 12. They have fixed the punt returning somewhat it is less common to fumble as you get nailed the moment the ball arrives (with no halo penalty) however it's still difficult to get any return yardage whatsoever unless they are in max protect and their gunners are inside the formation. The QB sneak on 3rd or 4th and 1 or less is unrealistic. Normally it's a battle to push for the first I've yet to gain less than 4 or 5 yards with it. That should be much more difficult to pick up than that. The sprint trigger doesn't seem to help much till your in the open field which makes sense since that's usually when a back or receiver shifts into that second gear. Using it before that makes it too easy to outrun your blockers.

I believe it is his longest run since his last full season which seems like ages ago. I want to think that was 2004 but I could be wrong. Thing is no one here is at all surprised other than he's lasted this long. point being he can't be depended on. As much as I like him I want to see someone else as the starter next year. I do not want to see him as a starter next season. If his career is over I think he would make a good secondary coach provided Babich and his boys are gone. He's got a great mind for the game his body no longer seems able which is a shame but that's the reality of it.

solved the issue. There seems to be no way to do it other than thru Xbox Live I temporarily moved my DSL modem to the room where my 360 is and connected it and got it to work. Signed up for a trial gold membership, went to quick match and before I could play it had me download the game updates. All good now. I'm going to get one of those wireless adapters for the 360 and should be good as gold. Played a few games online won 1 and lost 2 the second or third one I got blown out by the pats 41-0 the jerk I was playing was running up the score. Already up by a bunch he would onside kick and use no huddle, timeouts, and getting out of bounds to score a few late TD's. Darn near pulled the plug on the game it was no fun anymore. I haven't gotten the feel for Madden 09 last version I had was 06 on the old Xbox. So challenging people online as a way of playing your first games probably not a good idea. By the way my id or whatever it's called on Xbox live is the same as here but shortened "BF2K"

If they were smart they'd treat it like any other game and play to win. There's been a multitude of examples of why resting guys doesn't work. Regardless of us I think they will play to win but I wouldn't be surpassed if they pull their starters if the game isn't close either way. That may be wishful thinking because we need them to beat the Vikings to help our cause but from their perspective I think it makes sense to keep their starters in a regular rhythm going into the playoffs.

Is there a site where I can download the Madden 09 updates and put them on a disc? I currently don't have an XBOX Live account or hook up. I have an Xbox 360.

I think you need a mixture of both. You can have both extremes and we've had the laid back extreme for far too long. On the other hand you don't need a loose cannon or a walking tantrum. You need a guy who can be the pit bull when needed but can also be the mellow guy when needed but knows when to be which.

Agreed, looking back, and I can't believe I'm saying this but, we should have just hung on to Moose. At the start of the season though there was little support to keep Moose and I was one of us who was happy we picked up Booker but man has that been a waste.

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I'd prefer the division. Both those teams are warm weather teams and a game in Jan in Soldier will be anything but warm. The second one would place us at the scene of the crime where the Bears blew the chance to control their own destiny. Revenge could be a theme either way. We didn't play the cowgirls this year but I think they will remember last years matchup and the cowgirls is a team that the Bears don't like.... then again not many like the cowgirls.

I second that, Merry Christmas to all of you in the Armed Forces you all are in our thoughts and prayers. Come home safe.

They made the point durring the Queens game how quiet the crowd was Viking's fans have gotten used to watching their team show promise and then collapse Imagine if they do in fact loose to the Giants and we win out. We take the division they are stuck at home when they were in the driver seat. LOL I can't imagine a more deserving fate for the Queens. Not sure who I'm pulling for tonight other than having picked the Giants in the pick 'ems. The winner will have home field throughout the NFC playoffs. I'd almost rather see that be the Giants than the Panthers.

In that Wild Card scenario obviously we need wins against GB and Houston. But do we need both Dallas and Tampon Bay to loose or would one of those two losses suffice? I could see the cowgirls loosing but Oak beating TB? They did beat Houston so any given Sunday.

We both posted the same thing at about the same time. I thought my post had disappeared but then saw they were combined. We know you're not an idiot. Been an exciting day. I'd have never imagined we'd get everything we needed. The Vikings deserved to lose that game. Practically gift wrapped it. They had a golden opportunity to make our game meaningless but fumbled it away. We win on Monday week 17 will be interesting

Everything we needed to happen today happened. Dallas Lost Tampa Lost Philly Lost Minny Lost Now the Bears need to take care of business on Monday Night and they are one step closer to the playoffs.