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Not defending Cutler but his recievers screwed him all night. If they weren't stopping routes they were dropping balls. Cutler made his share of bad decisions as well. He was scrambling on every play it seemed then rather than take what's there he was forcing things. He played better in the second half but you cannot dig yourself a hole in the first half like the Bears did. This was an ugly game from the get go. Offensive line had a rough night, Manelly had the right idea on the direct snap but took way too long to do it, if you have 12 men on the field on defense you snap it before the guy can get off the field. even if the play is a stinker you still get 12 man penalty and repeat the down. We waited too long and end up giving them the ball in field goal range. Vasher is getting on my nerves. He isn't defending passes but just letting his guy beat him and then trying to make the tackle. Here's a thought.... try break up the pass that's what real corners do. We were in this game only because of Green Bay having their share of drops too and the safety. IF it turns out we lost Url and Pisa for any length that will add insult to injury. What a crappy crappy game. Play calling left much to be desired. Jay looked out of sync from the start but we kept doing what wasn't working. It's like we were determined to make it work as if we didn't have in mind a backup strategy in case the passing game wasn't working. In a hostile environment when things can quickly get out of hand you settle down with the run game There just was no continuity from the play calling to the guys trying to execute on the field. How the hell does a WR line up offsides??? This should not ever happen. Thought the officiating sucked for the most part as well. Brad maynard gets taken out after a punt and no flag. GB players repeatedly piling on and hitting late, and so much for protecting the QB the one play where Cutler is tackled and the play is over it sure looked like the GB defender trying to snap Jay in two. There was the play we got away with an illegal formation and instead benefited from a bogus illegal contact call but other than that the Packers were allowed to take repeated cheap shots all game long. This is not by any means why we lost it just angered me more to watch that on top of the crap that the bears were trying to pass off as pro football. The Bears need to get their act together quickly if the expect to make any noise this year. We could easily start out in a deep hole record wise. If we go into game 3 of the season and are at the bottom of the division looking up at the queens, pukers, and the friggin lions I know I won't be the only Bear fan that will be pissed. It's clear that we do in fact need receivers.... real receivers. Right now this team is proving the doubters right. The few bright spots tonight are completely overshadowed by the mass of dark clouds. It is one game but that's not the way you want to play out of the gate two weeks to prepare for the game and this is what we get. I'm trying to find the silver lining but there ain't one we sucked big time today and deserved to loose. I don't think anyone can hold their head high other than Hester and maybe Forte.

Them or the Queens. Watched the Vikings Browns game and Clevelend held it's own for a half primarily due to their defense and holding AP to 25 first half yards. Ultimately the poor quality of offense caught up to them. I'm sorry but Quinn looked stupid out there. Don't know why I subjected myself to watching that game, there was little doubt that Minny would win but I thought Madden was annoying the two guys calling the game had drool stains on their shirts... every spare second they were singing Bret's praises and he had a modest game, AP carried the weight in the second half to put the game away. When they weren't drooling over Favre they were talking up the queens as a super bowl team. Listening to the talking heads you'd think the NFC North was a two team division cheezheads and queens. I can see discounting Detroit.... who wouldn't but the Bears are discounted from the conversation. The good thing is these morons don't determine who wins and loses, I'd rather us be looked at as underdogs anyway. You play harder when you feel like you have something to prove than when you think all you need to do is show up. By seasons end I think the Bears will have something to say about this two team division nonsense.

A safety in the 4th quarter up 118 to 9 with less than 3 min to go a punt is downed inside the 1 and the pack gets lucky and gets a sack of Caleb Hanie. It was a close call and Hanie made a valiant effort to get the ball out of the end zone after eluding the rush. Ruling on the field was that he got out of the end zone but after a pointless review in an attempt at gaining a measly 2 pts a safety was awarded and but the Packers comeback fell short. It was a long day for the packers as they were embarrassed on their home field fans left at halftime. Cutler called it a day at the half after throwing for an ungodly amount of yards and a single game record 10 first half TD passes that even a geriatric self absorbed Favre would drool over. It would have been less embarrassing had Jay not been blindfolded for his last 4 TD passes. Caleb Hanie added another 3 second half TD passes. Forte wasn't left out as he ran all over the packers adding 3 rushing TD's. Gould added a pair of FG's.

Not involved in fantasy but that is a lopsided trade. on one side Marshall suspended till either the Broncos cave or he pulls his head out of his arse even if he does or they do with Orton at QB I don't think he'll be as effective as he was with Jay which IMHO is a large part of his little temper tantrums. Ho'syourmama while he's a good player I don't know about his productivity on a team like Seattle, I'm not sold on the seachickens being that good but he's probably the most talented receiver they have aside from Branch, so I think he'll put up consistent numbers. On the other side Olsen will likely be the primary pass receiver at least in the short term so he should put up good numbers especially early. Holmes is a big play receiver and has really made a name for himself as a clutch player and should put up consistent numbers. Holt is in his 11th season and is the senior WR on a fairly young group for the Jags he is the steady vet his numbers have dropped off a little but not bad I would expect him to be consistent. Personally I think for this to be fair the side offering Marshall and TJ should include someone else and or replace Marshall with someone more steady. TJ will probably provide some value but not enough to offset the crappieness of Marshall. Or on the other side perhaps leave off either Olsen or Holmes. Holmes is the highest value player in this trade scenario because he's proven it, even though he is paired with Ward on a run heavy team. I look for good things from Greg but it's yet to play out in in the season but he will have a good opportunity to do just that and if he does then that really makes this trade one sided. But since I'm not in a fantasy league you can take it for a grain of salt but that's just my 2 cents.

speed kills and that's the irreplaceable ingredient that Troy brings to that defense, he is one of the fastest guys on that defense. He plays fast but plays under control. He reminds me of Urlacher earlier in his career. Brian's still fast and has speed but he's not as quick as he used to be. Without Troy that defense is a slightly different animal not to diminish the other 10 guys out there as the steelers have a great defense. They are a lot like Chicago, known for defense and running the ball. Honestly I'd like to beat them at 100%. If we were to beat them without Troy... what do you think would be the first excuse given by the talking heads? I'll give you a hint he wears 43 and has long hair. According to NFL.com he's out 3-6 weeks. Not likely we will face him. But I agree let's not look past this week. The Bears have something to prove Sunday Night against a Packer team that has looked solid in preseason (I know it's just preseason). This game will be an all out a dog fight..... no that doesn't mean Vick will be in attendance . The return of the Black and Blue division. It's funny how quickly things can change there was a time where we had one of the weakest divisions and now it could likely prove to be one of the strongest divisions. Whoever wins our division will have earned it. And if the Lions win it there's proof that someone has found the magic lamp or a leprechaun in the motor city lol Them finishing at 500 would be a miracle in and of itself. This is still a three team division.

from the replay it didn't look good. Crumpler fell on him with all his weight when Troy was trying to recover the ball. Sucks for him because he's a heck of a player. But if he escapes with a sprain that is lucky. The knee just isn't designed to bend that way.

It's packer week!!!! Let's get the party started. You know your a packer fan when 1. The Halloween pumpkin on your porch has more teeth than your spouse. 2. You let your twelve-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table in front of her kids. 3. You've been married three times and still have the same in-laws. 4. You think a woman who is "out of your league" bowls on a different night. 5. Jack Daniel's makes your list of "most admired people." 6. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 7. Anyone in your family ever died right after saying, "Hey watch this." 8. You think Dom Perignon is a Mafia leader. 9. Your wife's hairdo was once ruined by a ceiling fan. 10. Your junior prom had a daycare. 11. You think the last words of the Star Spangled Banner are, "Cheeseheads start your engines." 12. You lit a match in the bathroom and your house exploded right off its wheels. 14. The bluebook value of your truck goes up and down, depending on how much gas is in it. 15. You have to go outside to get something from the fridge. 16. One of your kids was born on a pool table. 17. You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at the House of Tattoos. 18. You can't get married to your sweetheart because there's a law against it. 19. You think loading a dishwasher means getting your wife drunk. 20. Your toilet paper has page numbers on it. 21. Your front porch collapses and kills more than five dogs. 22. Your quarterback pisses away his and your last chance to lose another Superbowl by throwing interceptions! haha

I'm in. Nearly forgot tonight was opening night. No doubts that Steelers will win.

Totally understand Pix and really appreciate your doing the pools in the past as well as the things you and all the mods do here at talkbears.com to make this board what it is. The place I work for is directly tied to the RV/Marine industry we downsized a lot, I'm now the only production artist left when we used to have as many as four of us and now expected manage all proto and production art with little help and no extra compensation, while barely making enough to cover my expenses. It has been tough for everyone. I probably didn't see the message about this season but but completely understand. The important thing is to take care of your family and yourself first, anything here is secondary. Moving back home can be the toughest thing to do for both parents and kids. I'll keep you and your family in my prayers.

In all the bliss and excitement of a new season with a pro bowl QB I just realized, haven't seen any mention of pools this year unless I missed seeing it. If not it's cool, I know it's a lot of work to manage and my thanks for putting in the time in previous seasons.

Agree and I was thinking the same thing watching Hanie in preseason you don't see any drastic difference in the play calling. He's an athletic QB who can make plays with his legs and his arm. He can extend plays and elude the rush to buy time. You don't need to dumb down the playbook for him. Last year he was a contrast to Kyle Orton this year it's great to see the similarities. I like the future implications of having a backup like Hanie. We can now develop a guy naturally behind a guy like Jay. Our starter and his backup have similar skill sets. We are now in a position to draft guys in the same mold of a Jay Cutler and keep developing QBs who can carry on. Someday when Jay is done we very well could have someone waiting in the wings to carry on the torch. Whether that Be Haine or someone else. What a breath of fresh air that we could actually have continuity at a position that has been our Achilles heel for so long.

I think he will be more discrete next time though... being well known for having your picture taken while being loaded and having missed your mouth a few times as evidenced by the abnormally soggy shirt and many pictures like that which not exactly in short supply leads me to believe he's not that concerned about public appearance lol After finding that the injury is more than just a little cut, I can understand the look on his face as it probably did hurt. Reading the Bronco's boards and seeing things like "Orton's career ending hangnail" and "I'ts called a band-aid Kyle" shows that the Denver fans aren't amused but the rest of us get a chuckle. But leads me to wonder how on earth do you come up with that kind of injury by simply touching Whale's hand lol. I thought only Rex was that unlucky. As far as the half back pass I don't have a problem with them running it, but more the situation, they were getting close to the the red zone and it was the first drive where we were moving the ball and building momentum. I'd have rather seen a normal play on 1st and 10. Now on the positive it does give other teams something to look at and Forte didn't force it but wisely threw it away. I just felt at that point we should have focused keeping the pedal down and getting into the end zone. We followed up with a run up the middle then a coverage forced Jay to dump off and settle for 3. Not that there's any guarantee had we ran another play that the drive wouldn't have resulted in 3 anyway. In hindsight it didn't matter as Cutler had a good game. Just wanted to see a TD to shut the fans up (not that it would have). But it is preseason so this is the time that you can try things like that and it doesn't hurt you.

pass the Metamucil & Geritol

There's also the possibility that Kyle voted left handed and actually clicked on the Bears by accident

I wonder how much it is unwarranted respect of opposing WR's and/or QBs as it is lack of faith in our DB's. If we are not confident in our CBs I wonder if that is the big reason that we are backing them off. We do it no matter who we are facing and I agree with you it is mind boggling that we have played this way for many years now. We all want to see more aggressive play out of the DB's but perhaps the reality is we don't have the personnel to be that physical or at least the coaching staff doesn't think so. It could also just be that the coaching staff doesn't prescribe to that style of play and opts for the "safer" approach of trying to keep the play in front of you. If it's personal then lets bring in guys who can jam at the line without fear of getting beat by their man. If you jam them good you you should disrupt the timing, by not jamming sure you make it easier to keep the play in front of you but what's the point of giving them a free 5-10 yards anytime they want it. Any decent QB will pick you apart.

very true, when your job sucks and things aren't going well it's hard to display genuine excitement or enthusiasm. I've been at my job for 11 years the last 3 years have slowly become more and more miserable and when tell people I've been there that long they are like "you must really like it".... not really just a lack of better options primarily due to job market. When things are going well and you feel like there's a sense of purpose it drives you and shows. As a coach of an underachieving team it's hard to get too interested in answering dumb repetitive questions so what we often heard is dumb repetitive answers. Having a guy like Jay here brings with him a sense of optimism that is evident from the top down and we as fans are giddy too. This offseason could very well save Jerry's job and Lovie's as well. I'm excited and I'd like to see it work out. How nice would it be to have stability between the front office, management, coaching staff, and players on the field. I'm tired of us changing coaches every few years or so. Tired of endless rebuilding projects. Stability is good for a team.

I expected booing and a not so warm welcome but geeze out that made Soldier Field fans treatment of Rex seem like a "nice to see ya". I thought it was excessive and over the top blind hate. Funny thing is they thought they could rattle him and get under his skin, he showed them by playing through it and having himself a good game. And I thought he was a baby LOL Seemed like more of a man than the dipsticks on the other sideline and in the stands. I want to thank McDaniels for being such an idot...... I herby nominate him for Upper-Class Twit of the Year (little Monty Python reference) In his acceptance speech Josh was quoted as saying, "I'm a completely self taught idiot" Thanks Josh your stupidity is our gain pleasure doing business with you.

After the way they and their fans acted in that game I don't feel a bit sorry for them.

Wonder how many times Josh voted

Some things that were going through my mind watching. 1. Sure did seem like the Broncos were acting like it was their superbowl in a sense like their game plan was built out of spite and hatred for Jay. Like they've all bought into the BS that the reason Jay's not in Denver is because he's just a big baby and the whole debacle was his fault. If the fans should be pissed at anyone it should be their arseclown coach. I actually laughed watching the clips of Marshall. Not because what I think he is doing is actually funny but more along the lines of "you made your bed now lay in it." Marshall needs to friggin grow up. Who in their right mind would trade for this turd. It's one thing when you draw the ire the media, fans and coaches but when your teammates are sick of you it's pretty bad. So for the time being Denver is probably stuck with him and he's stuck with Denver. Serves em both right. If anyone acts like a baby it's Marshall, McDannials, the players and their fans. 2. I'm glad we came out of that game without any injuries. The way that game started I wouldn't have been at all surprised to see some defensive player intentionally injure Jay to make a point. Seemed like every play there were late hits, like Clark getting spun out of bounds then hit and no flag, How many times did Jay get hit after he threw the ball before they finally threw a flag on it. Plays blown dead and Denver players continuing to pile on. I really got sick of watching that and them getting away with it. Particularly in the light of all the ticky tack fouls. I kept yelling that the TV... LET THEM PLAY, seemed like ever few plays there was a flag just sucks the fun out of watching a game. Flag for illegal shift then let a blatant late hit go unflagged. I don't know the final number but it seemed like Denver wad flagged more than we were but just the constant stoppage. 3. not to make light of injury but the look on Kyles face when he's walking to the sideline holding his finger up like "look mommy I got an owie" made me chuckle a little. Maybe I have sick sense of humor but the visual just made me crack up. 4. I have more respect for Jay now. That must have been Hell being pinned inside your own 10 for what seemed like every drive with the fans booing and stomping so loud out of blind hate. He looked a little shaky at the start but I like that he didn't let it get to him and he settled in and did his job. Rex would have soiled himself, then thrown a few pick 6's. You have to have a thick skin to play that position and play in situations like that he has that. Jay strikes me as the type of guy that is like screw them I've got a job to do 5. I was mildly impresses with Bazenez, that's the best he's looked this pre-season. He did some good things out there, I hope he never has to start but I'm ok with him as our #3. 6. Early on it sure seemed like the commentary was taking Denver's side catering to Josh's side of the story as fact. Really at the end of the day they both could have handled it better and beyond that it's all he said she said blame depends on your perspective and where your loyalties lie. It happened it's over move on. If they were completely satisfied with how things worked out as Josh seems portray then why all the bitterness if they think they got the better end of the deal then what's the need to sling mud and act childish. Answer, deep down they know that they got the short end of the stick. Fans are bitter that Jay isn't there anymore and are misdirecting their anger and projecting it on Jay. I say let em. The commentary did later com to the point that I've held to is when you have a franchise QB you don't pull that kind of crap and trade him. Franchise QB's are rare when you have one you do what you can to hang on to him. We know all to well how difficult it is to find them. Contrast Denver with Pittsburgh when they interviewed Tomlin who to me comes across as a real class act. He was interested in Vick but out of respect for Ben's situation he felt it wasn't the right time to bring another QB into the picture. That to me is a coach that understands the importance of team chemistry and doing what's best for his team. I'm not saying coddle but you sure as hell don't go behind their back and lie to them. 7. Thought the halfback pass was a dumb call and a waste of a down. May as well have had Jay spike the ball.

tired of him as well tired of waiting for him to be healthy tired of him talking and failing to back it up tired of waiting for him to be the player he says he is and has been billed to be. Pre injury he was very good to great, looked like we'd found a gem and came off like a good guy.. fast forward to now and he's an injury prone, underachieving, player who despite his poor play acts and talks like the media and everyone else is to blame for his bad image... Well Tommie shut up, do your job, prove it on the field and let your game speak for it self... right now you are a walking contradiction. Time to put up or shut up.

couldn't agree more and that I think is part of the growing and adjustment we Bears fans will be making. For a long time now we have been a team that likes the low scoring close games because we've not had an offense that can keep up in a shootout or score a lot of points for the occasional turnover to not hurt us. Precisely the reason Orton was given the starting job over Rex we were looking for a game manager from our QB to do enough to win but not loose us the game. Our offensive approach was safe less risks vs more aggressive with more risks the result was a less exciting offense that didn't put up a lot of points but was aimed at not turning the ball over. A philosophy I and many of us have hated. That is why Rex excited so many of us when he was drafted and with what we saw early in 2006. We saw a glimpse of what it's like to have an offense that can win games and put teams away. And it's the reason many if not all of us are giddy about having Cutler here. With an offense that puts points on the board in increments larger than 3 with regularity is an offense that can make up for the occasional turnover this less of a concern. Couple an offense that can put up points in bunches and a defense that is above average to great and you have a dangerous team. Jay is the first step into that brave new world

And to think I had tickets to this game and sold them.... lol Some thoughts I had a feeling that Cutler would rebound and play better. I'd like to have seen him and Devon connect on that pass Soldier field probably would have exploded had they connected. Overall the offense was much better this week. - RB good to see Forte out there and that TD run reminded me just how quick he is. It was a big hole but he was gone from the moment he got the handoff. I thought Jones did a good job driving his legs and getting positive yards after contact. He did put the ball on the ground by holding it too low in traffic. Why are we trying to make Wolf a short yardage between the tackles back he doesn't have the size for that and it doesn't play to his abilities he's a scat back with speed not a bruiser I'd rather see him used better to suit his skills. - QB I agree that Baz is probably the odd man out and will either get cut or put on the practice squad if possible. He has not impressed me in the least. On the other hand Haine gives me more confidence that he can be a good backup option. If we carry just two QB's it makes sense that Caleb is getting the extended playing time. Thought he got robbed of a rushing TD.... that holding penalty was BS. Question is do we carry 2 QB's or do we carry three if it's 3 then who do we pick up as I just don't see Baz sticking. Then there's this one quarterback I think his name is Jay looked pretty darn good out there.... I think he's a keeper lol - TE/WR I liked what I saw here particularly the show of good hands. The catch by AD was a thing of beauty the way he laid out and kept his concentration. The first pass to Bennett I assumed it was incomplete when the ball got there but somehow Bennett hung on and made a good gain out of it. If this group steps up we may have a balanced offense that can run and pass on you and potentially do both well. Good to see Olsen back out there. - OL I thought played well some stupid false starts late in the game but they were backups. - D-Line good to see pressure. I want to see our defensive line disrupting the offense I thin the line did a good job of this there is room for improvement but I like the improvement over last week. - Tackling, the D did start to improve as the game went on but way to much not wrapping up early. Backs like Jacobs you will not just hit to the ground you have to use leverage and wrap up. We need to see better tackling and fewer yards after contact. - I like what I've seen from Payne and Alfalfa who seems to be right around the ball every play. Payne made a great play on a deep pass deflection. - Defense overall I like the improvement i've seen and I really like the way even at the end of the game we were still fighting to keep them out of the end zone. That shows this team has a lot of pride desire. It's a good thing to see. - Something I caught in the commentary early in the game that there's a chance a guy like David Tyree may not make the cut if he is waived, any takers? - I think this game was good confidence boost and good momentum builder going forward. Once this offense gets on track and the defense plays well and special teams plays well the Bears will be a dangerous team. I say that without the word if and it's more a when. Once the Bears get clicking look out, this could turn out to be a dream season. And unlike a fairy tale season the team won't turn back into a pumkin when the season is over. We keep it in tact and we could see the Bears being a perennial force. That my friends excites me

It's Rex Grossman need we say more? Much of what he does defies belief. Perhaps he needs to find a new line of work or start living in a bubble.

As long as he survives to week 16 so I can see see him put in his place in person lol. By week eight he will be winding back down to retirement mode and as the season draws to a close you'll here the "this might be the last game at.......... Now I have some ideas for some signs to make for the game lol