ParkerBear7 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I would be thrilled if the Bears draft unfolded like this, how about you? http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/premium/draft.php?d=nluivc 15 - R1P15 CB TRAE WAYNES MICHIGAN ST (day one starter opposite Fuller) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/tra...ynes?id=2552448 45 - R2P13 OT/G JAKE FISHER OREGON ( Will replace Mills and start at RT or allow Long to move to RT) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jak...sher?id=2552360 46 - R2P14 DE DANIELLE HUNTER LSU (could be another fast rush OLB) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/dan...nter?id=2552603 75 - R3P11 RB JAY AJAYI BOISE ST (would compete a nice 3 headed RB monster along with Forte / Carey) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jay-ajayi?id=2552582 79 - R3P15 CB JALEN COLLINS LSU (Competition and needed depth which could allow Bears to use Fuller at FS) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jal...lins?id=2552573 106 - R4P7 WR PHILLIP DORSETT MIAMI (FL) (Deep threat with 4.33 speed) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/phi...sett?id=2552424 110 - R4P11 G/C ALI MARPET HOBART (projected to play Center in the NFL) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/ali-marpet?id=2552332 142 - R5P6 CB SENQUEZ GOLSON OLE MISS (Golson would be a nice nickel corner and will push Tim Jennings to join Lovie in Tampa!) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/sen...lson?id=2552264 148 - R5P12 S JAQUISKI TARTT SAMFORD (backup / ST safety who projects as a SS) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jaq...artt?id=2552391 223 - R7P6 DE DARIUS PHILON ARKANSAS (Atheltic DT/DE with nice burst) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/dar...ilon?id=2552676 224 - R7P7 S DAMARIOUS RANDALL ARIZONA STATE (Free Saftey prospect with good ball skills) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/dam...dall?id=2552389 225 - R7P8 DE L.T. WALTON CENTRAL MICHIGAN (DT/DE prospect) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/let...lton?id=2552444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I like it up to the point you take Jay Ajayi. I'm not too big on him, he goes down too easily and doesn't seem to offer much more than a RB we could take later. Why do you want to move Fuller to FS and replace him with a 3rd Rd draft pick? I get that we need help at FS but we need just as much help at CB especially if Fuller isn't there. I highly doubt Randall lasts until Rd 7. He's had far too much positive press lately. If you go to CBS Sports they have him listed as #2 FS overall, Rd 2-3 grade. If he made it to the 4th Rd I think he'd be a good pickup for us because he has the athleticism and mentality to play FS, meaning he's more likely to hit somebody than Vereen, but needs time to learn the finer points of how to play the position. Keep in mind he took two years off from football before getting back into it at ASU. That's where Antrel Rolle comes into play. Lacking the athleticism to stay at CB, Rolle has had an excellent career at FS through his work ethic, smarts, and leadership. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players...marious-randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I would be thrilled if the Bears draft unfolded like this, how about you? http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/premium/draft.php?d=nluivc 15 - R1P15 CB TRAE WAYNES MICHIGAN ST (day one starter opposite Fuller) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/tra...ynes?id=2552448 45 - R2P13 OT/G JAKE FISHER OREGON ( Will replace Mills and start at RT or allow Long to move to RT) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jak...sher?id=2552360 46 - R2P14 DE DANIELLE HUNTER LSU (could be another fast rush OLB) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/dan...nter?id=2552603 75 - R3P11 RB JAY AJAYI BOISE ST (would compete a nice 3 headed RB monster along with Forte / Carey) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jay-ajayi?id=2552582 79 - R3P15 CB JALEN COLLINS LSU (Competition and needed depth which could allow Bears to use Fuller at FS) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jal...lins?id=2552573 106 - R4P7 WR PHILLIP DORSETT MIAMI (FL) (Deep threat with 4.33 speed) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/phi...sett?id=2552424 110 - R4P11 G/C ALI MARPET HOBART (projected to play Center in the NFL) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/ali-marpet?id=2552332 142 - R5P6 CB SENQUEZ GOLSON OLE MISS (Golson would be a nice nickel corner and will push Tim Jennings to join Lovie in Tampa!) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/sen...lson?id=2552264 148 - R5P12 S JAQUISKI TARTT SAMFORD (backup / ST safety who projects as a SS) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jaq...artt?id=2552391 223 - R7P6 DE DARIUS PHILON ARKANSAS (Atheltic DT/DE with nice burst) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/dar...ilon?id=2552676 224 - R7P7 S DAMARIOUS RANDALL ARIZONA STATE (Free Saftey prospect with good ball skills) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/dam...dall?id=2552389 225 - R7P8 DE L.T. WALTON CENTRAL MICHIGAN (DT/DE prospect) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/let...lton?id=2552444 One spot we are short on players is DE and we need to address that position in the draft more than once in 6th, otherwise like the names. I joined the Fanspeak and its lots of fun, which big board do you use? I have been using MattMiller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 One spot we are short on players is DE and we need to address that position in the draft more than once in 6th, otherwise like the names. I joined the Fanspeak and its lots of fun, which big board do you use? I have been using MattMiller I still don't see how anyone can say the Bears are short on DE. There are several players who will potentially work there. The Bears already had Allen, Bass, Houston, Lane, Merrell, Washington, and Young. Admittedly, 3 of those names are throw-aways, but that still leaves Allen, Houston, Washington, and Young. I don't care what they say about Houston; he's playing DE with his 300lb ass. And THEN they went out and signed McDonald and Jenkins. And that's not even taking into account that Sutton is probably going to end up getting a shot there because he doesn't appear to be 1st or 2nd in line for the NT job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 One spot we are short on players is DE and we need to address that position in the draft more than once in 6th, otherwise like the names. I joined the Fanspeak and its lots of fun, which big board do you use? I have been using MattMiller We're going to be in a 3-4 40% of the time, and a 4-3 60% of the time. I think with McDonald and Jenkins we've addressed it well enough to cover the 40% with our existing players. NT for the 3-4 front is a bigger concern of mine right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 We're going to be in a 3-4 40% of the time, and a 4-3 60% of the time. I think with McDonald and Jenkins we've addressed it well enough to cover the 40% with our existing players. NT for the 3-4 front is a bigger concern of mine right now. I expect to see the 2-4-5 a lot more often depending on what offenses are throwing at them. At least with the 9ers, that was Fangios nickel formation. As for the Bears having a ton of DEs, they either have a ton of DEs or a ton of OLBs. I tend to think they have a ton of OLBs. If you throw most of those guys Jason listed out there at 3-4 DE 40% of the time, you're gonna get beat 40% of the time. Lined up inside the tackle those guys won't do much of anything. Jenkins is a wild card i guess you can say. He really hasn't done much of anything from what I've read. He very well could be a starter, and who knows, he could improve, but I'm just not so sure you wanna say we've addressed the position with his acquisition. I have no clue what to think of Houston, yes, he may be close to 3 bills, but I believe I read where he played closer to 285. That's still pretty big, but like I went through before, going back to Fangios days in Baltimore, he's utilzed a lot of bigger, slower OLBs and made it work. Houston ran the 40 quicker than guys like Suggs, Kruger, and a few others that I don't feel like looking up again. It really wouldn't surprise me one bit if Houston does indeed play OLB, and they go with the 2 aggressive OLBs in Houston and McPhee vs going more speed oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 As for the Bears having a ton of DEs, they either have a ton of DEs or a ton of OLBs. I tend to think they have a ton of OLBs. If you throw most of those guys Jason listed out there at 3-4 DE 40% of the time, you're gonna get beat 40% of the time. Lined up inside the tackle those guys won't do much of anything. I have no clue what to think of Houston, yes, he may be close to 3 bills, but I believe I read where he played closer to 285. That's still pretty big, but like I went through before, going back to Fangios days in Baltimore, he's utilzed a lot of bigger, slower OLBs and made it work. Houston ran the 40 quicker than guys like Suggs, Kruger, and a few others that I don't feel like looking up again. It really wouldn't surprise me one bit if Houston does indeed play OLB, and they go with the 2 aggressive OLBs in Houston and McPhee vs going more speed oriented. I just don't agree. A front 3 that lacks size can be utilized differently, with the same principles as a 3T DT in the 4-3. Instead of holding ground, he can be asked to attack more often. This leaves the LB, particularly the OLB, responsible for gap discipline and edge coverage. I don't see any issue, however, if the Bears trotted out a front three of Allen-Rat-McDonald then followed it up with a rotation of Houston-Ego-Sutton/Jenkins. If the front seven is moving around harmoniously, I don't think the size is as big of a deal. In fact, 3-4 defenses tend to cause more confusion because of that exact fluidity - it feels like there are more players on D than there really are. Personally, I'm kind of hoping for that to be honest. I'm hoping speed wins out in all positions other than the NT, and the defense, while light, flies all over the place making huge hits. I much prefer an attacking defense like the Eagles ran for years than a flaccid D that holds ground and lets the offense pound into it for minimal gain (i.e. the Lovie special). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TerraTor Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Eh, not really a fan. Great tradedown, but picks suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I just don't agree. A front 3 that lacks size can be utilized differently, with the same principles as a 3T DT in the 4-3. Instead of holding ground, he can be asked to attack more often. This leaves the LB, particularly the OLB, responsible for gap discipline and edge coverage. I don't see any issue, however, if the Bears trotted out a front three of Allen-Rat-McDonald then followed it up with a rotation of Houston-Ego-Sutton/Jenkins. If the front seven is moving around harmoniously, I don't think the size is as big of a deal. In fact, 3-4 defenses tend to cause more confusion because of that exact fluidity - it feels like there are more players on D than there really are. Personally, I'm kind of hoping for that to be honest. I'm hoping speed wins out in all positions other than the NT, and the defense, while light, flies all over the place making huge hits. I much prefer an attacking defense like the Eagles ran for years than a flaccid D that holds ground and lets the offense pound into it for minimal gain (i.e. the Lovie special). And I just don't agree either. I believe there's a reason why Fox has called Allen an OLB. Allen would be awful as a 3-4 DE. He hasn't been particularly good as a 4-3 DE the past year or 2, and moving him inside the tackle is gonna make him even worse. When he has won in the past it's because he utilized his length out in space, he won't be playing in any space at 3-4 DE. Same goes for Young, he wins with his speed out in space. They aren't gonna be able to utilize what has made them NFL players moving inside the tackle. Both players lack the strength needed to play inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 And I just don't agree either. I believe there's a reason why Fox has called Allen an OLB. Allen would be awful as a 3-4 DE. He hasn't been particularly good as a 4-3 DE the past year or 2, and moving him inside the tackle is gonna make him even worse. When he has won in the past it's because he utilized his length out in space, he won't be playing in any space at 3-4 DE. Same goes for Young, he wins with his speed out in space. They aren't gonna be able to utilize what has made them NFL players moving inside the tackle. Both players lack the strength needed to play inside. I can envision a scenario where Allen or Young as 3-4 DEs would create confusion on the offense. They'd have to account for a rarely seen speed from 3-4 DEs. Will they go in or out? Will they crash the B-gap hard, or try a spin move? To be honest, gap pressure is gap pressure. It causes offenses to play defensively. Well, pressure does that. And that's what Allen/Young/etc. do. You're telling me that Allen and Young are suddenly ineffective because they move slightly to the side? That's just nonsensical to me. With an effective defensive plan, particularly one where the LB blitzes are unpredictable, that minimal strength difference is negated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I can envision a scenario where Allen or Young as 3-4 DEs would create confusion on the offense. They'd have to account for a rarely seen speed from 3-4 DEs. Will they go in or out? Will they crash the B-gap hard, or try a spin move? To be honest, gap pressure is gap pressure. It causes offenses to play defensively. Well, pressure does that. And that's what Allen/Young/etc. do. You're telling me that Allen and Young are suddenly ineffective because they move slightly to the side? That's just nonsensical to me. With an effective defensive plan, particularly one where the LB blitzes are unpredictable, that minimal strength difference is negated. Absolutely what I'm saying, and I don't see it as nonsensical in the least bit. Again, Young and Allen win in space, there's no space when you're moved inside the tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerBear7 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I like it up to the point you take Jay Ajayi. I'm not too big on him, he goes down too easily and doesn't seem to offer much more than a RB we could take later. Why do you want to move Fuller to FS and replace him with a 3rd Rd draft pick? I get that we need help at FS but we need just as much help at CB especially if Fuller isn't there. I highly doubt Randall lasts until Rd 7. He's had far too much positive press lately. If you go to CBS Sports they have him listed as #2 FS overall, Rd 2-3 grade. If he made it to the 4th Rd I think he'd be a good pickup for us because he has the athleticism and mentality to play FS, meaning he's more likely to hit somebody than Vereen, but needs time to learn the finer points of how to play the position. Keep in mind he took two years off from football before getting back into it at ASU. That's where Antrel Rolle comes into play. Lacking the athleticism to stay at CB, Rolle has had an excellent career at FS through his work ethic, smarts, and leadership. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players...marious-randall I'm not advocating moving Fuller to FS but he did play a hybrid DB position in college. I feel there is a lot of depth at CB in the draft more so than Saftey so would be good if bears took a bigger tweener DB like Rowe who could maybe move to FS. I would have no problem if the Bears drafted 3 CB's this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I still don't see how anyone can say the Bears are short on DE. There are several players who will potentially work there. The Bears already had Allen, Bass, Houston, Lane, Merrell, Washington, and Young. Admittedly, 3 of those names are throw-aways, but that still leaves Allen, Houston, Washington, and Young. I don't care what they say about Houston; he's playing DE with his 300lb ass. And THEN they went out and signed McDonald and Jenkins. And that's not even taking into account that Sutton is probably going to end up getting a shot there because he doesn't appear to be 1st or 2nd in line for the NT job. I think Houston will end up at end, but the others have OLB bodies. I suspect in rush defense, Allen might play end. With the new guys, I say we have 3 with Houston who they said was an OLB. Last year I read where he played at 265, so depending on what they want out of him, will determine his weight. I would say we need 2 more, unless they think one of those others actually can play end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I can envision a scenario where Allen or Young as 3-4 DEs would create confusion on the offense. They'd have to account for a rarely seen speed from 3-4 DEs. Will they go in or out? Will they crash the B-gap hard, or try a spin move? To be honest, gap pressure is gap pressure. It causes offenses to play defensively. Well, pressure does that. And that's what Allen/Young/etc. do. You're telling me that Allen and Young are suddenly ineffective because they move slightly to the side? That's just nonsensical to me. With an effective defensive plan, particularly one where the LB blitzes are unpredictable, that minimal strength difference is negated. If Young and Allen play our defense ends, our rush defense will look as bad as last year. 251 and 270 do not fit Fangio's 3-4 . He lists his three spots as LDT-NT-RDT . The purpose of the ends is to take on blockers and be strong against the run. Your off base with you opinion on this. Fox stated Young,Allen and Houston will be OLBs. I dont think he's trying to fool anybody., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerBear7 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Eh, not really a fan. Great tradedown, but picks suck why do the picks suck? Who would you have taken differently? Do you just hate the players, position selected or what round player/ position selected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerBear7 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 One spot we are short on players is DE and we need to address that position in the draft more than once in 6th, otherwise like the names. I joined the Fanspeak and its lots of fun, which big board do you use? I have been using MattMiller I vary the boards used but can't remember which one I used for this mock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 If Young and Allen play our defense ends, our rush defense will look as bad as last year. 251 and 270 do not fit Fangio's 3-4 . He lists his three spots as LDT-NT-RDT . The purpose of the ends is to take on blockers and be strong against the run. Your off base with you opinion on this. Fox stated Young,Allen and Houston will be OLBs. I dont think he's trying to fool anybody., Agree with this. Sure 3-4 with smaller faster guys can get to the qb faster, but they will be taking on 2 blockers. The purpose is to have guys strong enough to beat 2 on 1 match ups. Houston I agree will see time at DE and that will confuse offenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I guess I'm just thinking of a non traditional way to use 3-4 DEs. I don't want them to be space eaters who take up OL. I want them to attack so the O doesn't know where the next blitzer or player is coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I guess I'm just thinking of a non traditional way to use 3-4 DEs. I don't want them to be space eaters who take up OL. I want them to attack so the O doesn't know where the next blitzer or player is coming from. I get what you're saying, but I just don't think Young and Allen could be those types of players. You're looking for players like Justin Smith and JJ Watt. Big STRONG guys who just reck shit. If you're looking for 4-3 DEs that can make the transition, you're gonna be looking for DEs who win with power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I guess I'm just thinking of a non traditional way to use 3-4 DEs. I don't want them to be space eaters who take up OL. I want them to attack so the O doesn't know where the next blitzer or player is coming from. Is there a defense out there that runs a 3-4 that way? I think the Justin Smiths or JJ Watts are those guys but with size and strength. I think when they go goal line or short yardage we will see 5 or 6 man fronts with Allen, Young, McPhee, and Houston all putting a hand in the dirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I guess I'm just thinking of a non traditional way to use 3-4 DEs. I don't want them to be space eaters who take up OL. I want them to attack so the O doesn't know where the next blitzer or player is coming from. Just look at the two DEs they signed 6-3 290 and 6-4 315. Thats what fits Fangio and they attack with the 4 LBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Just look at the two DEs they signed 6-3 290 and 6-4 315. Thats what fits Fangio and they attack with the 4 LBs. I noticed, and I didn't really like the moves in terms of personnel usage. It essentially says, "Hey, we're throwing a few of the guys we have on roster in the trash can." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I noticed, and I didn't really like the moves in terms of personnel usage. It essentially says, "Hey, we're throwing a few of the guys we have on roster in the trash can." did you watch our defense the last two years, Im all in on people that can play.If some get to do that this year that would be a good thing, if not, then they just didnt cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I just don't agree. A front 3 that lacks size can be utilized differently, with the same principles as a 3T DT in the 4-3. Instead of holding ground, he can be asked to attack more often. This leaves the LB, particularly the OLB, responsible for gap discipline and edge coverage. I don't see any issue, however, if the Bears trotted out a front three of Allen-Rat-McDonald then followed it up with a rotation of Houston-Ego-Sutton/Jenkins. If the front seven is moving around harmoniously, I don't think the size is as big of a deal. In fact, 3-4 defenses tend to cause more confusion because of that exact fluidity - it feels like there are more players on D than there really are. Personally, I'm kind of hoping for that to be honest. I'm hoping speed wins out in all positions other than the NT, and the defense, while light, flies all over the place making huge hits. I much prefer an attacking defense like the Eagles ran for years than a flaccid D that holds ground and lets the offense pound into it for minimal gain (i.e. the Lovie special). Here,IMO, is a good breakdown of our roster and spots people play at. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fhd...qQjQ/edit#gid=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Here,IMO, is a good breakdown of our roster and spots people play at. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fhd...qQjQ/edit#gid=0 Good roster breakdown. Everytime I see the oline depth I think Long would look nice outside at T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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