Battle at LT

[ASHKUM BEAR]

6 hours ago, AZ54 said:

I don’t think last week wasn’t the biggest challenge for him but I do agree he is getting better each week.  He needs to avoid getting beaten early to the inside.    The IOL needs to give Caleb room to step up and we can make it through the season.  Last week Been said Ozzy was doing much better and that he should see the field soon.  I’m guessing likely as the 6th Oline on a play.  

I heard Darnell Wright is banged up and might miss the game.  They were talking whether they go with the swing OT Benedict or if Trapilo jumps him as next man up. 

[Mongo3451]

I think Braxton is done.  He may be the most Jekyll Hyde lineman we've had in a long time.  One moment he's locking his man down, the next he's getting signed walked.  On another play he may execute perfectly and then turn around and completely block the wrong guy.  I can't tell if he's a space cadet or plain stupid.  He's had time to get healthier, but the mental lapses are still prevalent.  They looked better when Theo took over.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I think Braxton is done.  He may be the most Jekyll Hyde lineman we've had in a long time.  One moment he's locking his man down, the next he's getting signed walked.  On another play he may execute perfectly and then turn around and completely block the wrong guy.  I can't tell if he's a space cadet or plain stupid.  He's had time to get healthier, but the mental lapses are still prevalent.  They looked better when Theo took over.

OK, so this exact evaluation is what I was saying several weeks ago that prompted your reaction that I:

1) am a "bitch"

2) dont understand OL play

3) should defer in all opinions about OL to you since you played and I didnt

And that's why I have taken a leave of absence. I could handle cheap shots from one particular member saying things like this that would get you punched in a bar, but I didnt want to fight like that with you too.

I would prefer to simply discuss football.

I will consider coming back at some point, but it has to be really different.

[Stinger226]

4 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

I think Braxton is done.  He may be the most Jekyll Hyde lineman we've had in a long time.  One moment he's locking his man down, the next he's getting signed walked.  On another play he may execute perfectly and then turn around and completely block the wrong guy.  I can't tell if he's a space cadet or plain stupid.  He's had time to get healthier, but the mental lapses are still prevalent.  They looked better when Theo took over.

BJ was saying he starts out well and then wears down as the game goes on and starts screwing up. Theo will be the starter going out of the bye week. They gave him a shot and now go to phase 2.

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

OK, so this exact evaluation is what I was saying several weeks ago that prompted your reaction that I:

1) am a "bitch"

2) dont understand OL play

3) should defer in all opinions about OL to you since you played and I didnt

And that's why I have taken a leave of absence. I could handle cheap shots from one particular member saying things like this that would get you punched in a bar, but I didnt want to fight like that with you too.

I would prefer to simply discuss football.

I will consider coming back at some point, but it has to be really different.

Clearly your ego hasnt changed , you're the one that said Ozzy will be starting because Braxton is bad. You were half right but its not about having an opinion and being wrong, its about you coping an attitude when people disagree with you. Every time I get on, I look to see if you got on the website. You're like a stalker, just start giving your opinions again and stop with the name calling. 

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

Clearly your ego hasnt changed , you're the one that said Ozzy will be starting because Braxton is bad. You were half right but its not about having an opinion and being wrong, its about you coping an attitude when people disagree with you. Every time I get on, I look to see if you got on the website. You're like a stalker, just start giving your opinions again and stop with the name calling. 

no, Ill just say this once.

1) I said Braxton sucks, and so I HOPE Trapilo will supplant him. I predicted the end of Braxton, but not what kind of a player Trapilo would become. I wasnt making any kind of judgement on Benedet, who was not really in the discussion at the time. Just that Braxton sucks. And he does.

2) People can disagree with me all they want, but often i am early seeing something when other dont, and then they start attacking me about it, and once attacked, i absolutely defend myself. But if someone simply disagrees with me, thats FINE. For example, you just called me "stalker" in the same sentence you said not to call people names?

3) I dont think I know everything. Most of what I say is opinion and I say it that way "I think" etc - certainly a lot more than you use that kind of language to be sure.

When I make an actual statement to assert what I think is now a fact about Charles Leno, Fields, Eberflus, Poles, Braxton Jones and the potential of Caleb I have been right every time. I dont make those kind of statements until i am sure, and like i said, that happens often earlier than some others want to see something, so they say Im negative, and call me names.

Thats how things started with you and me too - you couldnt stand that I said that Justin Fields sucked, and you went after me personally calling names and saying things that would generally get people punched in a bar.. Then I asked you to stop, you didnt, then I demanded you stop and you still didnt, and then I finally ramped it up to the point where others on the board told us BOTH to stop. I paid a personal price for that here, but it also got you to stop. Since then, you've been abrasive, but not using the kind of language you were toward me before.

4) I dont cop any attitude with people who disagree with me - I do cop a major attitude when people treat me with disrespect, name calling, profanity and the like.

With most members of this board, I usually agree. Dont forget, before you threw your Justin Fields tantrums Id been here for like 20 years, and wasnt known for that at all was I?

Anyway, I know who you are Stinger, and I dont expect you to understand this or to be able to behave yourself. My problem was when Mongo started it too. I would rather respect the members of this board like him who are worthy of it, and simply disagree if that's what happens.

And a comment here or there is easy to let go, but Mongo was being consistently disrespectful for a couple weeks, so i said what I needed to, and took a leave of absence.

I dont need to re-litigate it all, I am only gonna explain this to you especially just this once. I dont care what you think of it, whether you understand it. Im not gonna go back and forth.

When I do come back, maybe after the bye, I expect ALL of us, myself included, to deal with respect. Like I said, I doubt you personally can do it, but as long as everyone else is cool, there is no need for fighting.

But most of all, this has ALL been about me being early on these topics. Seeing things that other people werent ready to see, or watching film instead of just looking at stats and reading sportswriter narratives.

When I see something, and then I am confident in what I see, that isnt arrogance. And being unwilling to bend to common beliefs is not arrogance, its just confidence, the kind people have when they know theyre right, no matter what everyone else is saying.

And again, the things Ive been right about are just a handful of things. Its not like everything I guess or opine on is set in stone.

But when I talk about Kmet not being up to his paycheck, I got so much hate from you, but now you see it too dont you? Will you remember that thats why you thought I was arrogant, and realize i was right? Or is it just a memory of how you felt, and now that you agree, you still blame me?

I hate talking about all of this - I wont anymore. I'll be back in a few weeks, and I hope people can control themselves from getting personal and then acting like they are a victim when I speak back.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

no, Ill just say this once.

1) I said Braxton sucks, and so I HOPE Trapilo will supplant him. I predicted the end of Braxton, but not what kind of a player Trapilo would become. I wasnt making any kind of judgement on Benedet, who was not really in the discussion at the time. Just that Braxton sucks. And he does.

2) People can disagree with me all they want, but often i am early seeing something when other dont, and then they start attacking me about it, and once attacked, i absolutely defend myself. But if someone simply disagrees with me, thats FINE. For example, you just called me "stalker" in the same sentence you said not to call people names?

3) I dont think I know everything. Most of what I say is opinion and I say it that way "I think" etc - certainly a lot more than you use that kind of language to be sure.

When I make an actual statement to assert what I think is now a fact about Charles Leno, Fields, Eberflus, Poles, Braxton Jones and the potential of Caleb I have been right every time. I dont make those kind of statements until i am sure, and like i said, that happens often earlier than some others want to see something, so they say Im negative, and call me names.

Thats how things started with you and me too - you couldnt stand that I said that Justin Fields sucked, and you went after me personally calling names and saying things that would generally get people punched in a bar.. Then I asked you to stop, you didnt, then I demanded you stop and you still didnt, and then I finally ramped it up to the point where others on the board told us BOTH to stop. I paid a personal price for that here, but it also got you to stop. Since then, you've been abrasive, but not using the kind of language you were toward me before.

4) I dont cop any attitude with people who disagree with me - I do cop a major attitude when people treat me with disrespect, name calling, profanity and the like.

With most members of this board, I usually agree. Dont forget, before you threw your Justin Fields tantrums Id been here for like 20 years, and wasnt known for that at all was I?

Anyway, I know who you are Stinger, and I dont expect you to understand this or to be able to behave yourself. My problem was when Mongo started it too. I would rather respect the members of this board like him who are worthy of it, and simply disagree if that's what happens.

And a comment here or there is easy to let go, but Mongo was being consistently disrespectful for a couple weeks, so i said what I needed to, and took a leave of absence.

I dont need to re-litigate it all, I am only gonna explain this to you especially just this once. I dont care what you think of it, whether you understand it. Im not gonna go back and forth.

When I do come back, maybe after the bye, I expect ALL of us, myself included, to deal with respect. Like I said, I doubt you personally can do it, but as long as everyone else is cool, there is no need for fighting.

But most of all, this has ALL been about me being early on these topics. Seeing things that other people werent ready to see, or watching film instead of just looking at stats and reading sportswriter narratives.

When I see something, and then I am confident in what I see, that isnt arrogance. And being unwilling to bend to common beliefs is not arrogance, its just confidence, the kind people have when they know theyre right, no matter what everyone else is saying.

And again, the things Ive been right about are just a handful of things. Its not like everything I guess or opine on is set in stone.

But when I talk about Kmet not being up to his paycheck, I got so much hate from you, but now you see it too dont you? Will you remember that thats why you thought I was arrogant, and realize i was right? Or is it just a memory of how you felt, and now that you agree, you still blame me?

I hate talking about all of this - I wont anymore. I'll be back in a few weeks, and I hope people can control themselves from getting personal and then acting like they are a victim when I speak back.

I'll address this only once.  I was messing with you as a brother/friend and you took it the wrong way.  Instead of questioning my intent, you decided to splay me open with a miriad of falsehoods.  It was even in my verbiage.  Look at the posts.  If you can acknowledge that, we can be cool.  If not, screw you...

[BearFan PHX]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

I'll address this only once.  I was messing with you as a brother/friend and you took it the wrong way.  Instead of questioning my intent, you decided to splay me open with a miriad of falsehoods.  It was even in my verbiage.  Look at the posts.  If you can acknowledge that, we can be cool.  If not, screw you...

Im not gonna go back and forth, but you were not just busting my balls, you called me a bitch, you said you were my coach and i was the student, you said you were offended at the idea that i could disagree with you about OL since you played, you figured you are the authority and I shouldnt have an opinion, but just defer.

If it's screw me, then thats on you. When you act like an arrogant bully wanna be, and I dont play along, thats on you.

Ask yourself, if someone came up to you, and said what you said, and called you a bitch, youd just laugh?

And also,mit was over a course of days, maybe weeks that you stayed with the "joke"

You should own what you did, but I truly dont need you to. I will just ask that you treat me respectfully in the future. That would be good enough. And if you cant do that, then that will show too.

[Stinger226]

12 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

no, Ill just say this once.

1) I said Braxton sucks, and so I HOPE Trapilo will supplant him. I predicted the end of Braxton, but not what kind of a player Trapilo would become. I wasnt making any kind of judgement on Benedet, who was not really in the discussion at the time. Just that Braxton sucks. And he does.

2) People can disagree with me all they want, but often i am early seeing something when other dont, and then they start attacking me about it, and once attacked, i absolutely defend myself. But if someone simply disagrees with me, thats FINE. For example, you just called me "stalker" in the same sentence you said not to call people names?

3) I dont think I know everything. Most of what I say is opinion and I say it that way "I think" etc - certainly a lot more than you use that kind of language to be sure.

When I make an actual statement to assert what I think is now a fact about Charles Leno, Fields, Eberflus, Poles, Braxton Jones and the potential of Caleb I have been right every time. I dont make those kind of statements until i am sure, and like i said, that happens often earlier than some others want to see something, so they say Im negative, and call me names.

Thats how things started with you and me too - you couldnt stand that I said that Justin Fields sucked, and you went after me personally calling names and saying things that would generally get people punched in a bar.. Then I asked you to stop, you didnt, then I demanded you stop and you still didnt, and then I finally ramped it up to the point where others on the board told us BOTH to stop. I paid a personal price for that here, but it also got you to stop. Since then, you've been abrasive, but not using the kind of language you were toward me before.

4) I dont cop any attitude with people who disagree with me - I do cop a major attitude when people treat me with disrespect, name calling, profanity and the like.

With most members of this board, I usually agree. Dont forget, before you threw your Justin Fields tantrums Id been here for like 20 years, and wasnt known for that at all was I?

Anyway, I know who you are Stinger, and I dont expect you to understand this or to be able to behave yourself. My problem was when Mongo started it too. I would rather respect the members of this board like him who are worthy of it, and simply disagree if that's what happens.

And a comment here or there is easy to let go, but Mongo was being consistently disrespectful for a couple weeks, so i said what I needed to, and took a leave of absence.

I dont need to re-litigate it all, I am only gonna explain this to you especially just this once. I dont care what you think of it, whether you understand it. Im not gonna go back and forth.

When I do come back, maybe after the bye, I expect ALL of us, myself included, to deal with respect. Like I said, I doubt you personally can do it, but as long as everyone else is cool, there is no need for fighting.

But most of all, this has ALL been about me being early on these topics. Seeing things that other people werent ready to see, or watching film instead of just looking at stats and reading sportswriter narratives.

When I see something, and then I am confident in what I see, that isnt arrogance. And being unwilling to bend to common beliefs is not arrogance, its just confidence, the kind people have when they know theyre right, no matter what everyone else is saying.

And again, the things Ive been right about are just a handful of things. Its not like everything I guess or opine on is set in stone.

But when I talk about Kmet not being up to his paycheck, I got so much hate from you, but now you see it too dont you? Will you remember that thats why you thought I was arrogant, and realize i was right? Or is it just a memory of how you felt, and now that you agree, you still blame me?

I hate talking about all of this - I wont anymore. I'll be back in a few weeks, and I hope people can control themselves from getting personal and then acting like they are a victim when I speak back.

You expose yourself every time you say something.

1) No one was praising Jones and thinking he should be resigned. Everyone  just said he was a average NFL LT, which is true.. It doesnt mean he was very good by saying that but then because everyone didnt agree with you, you attack people, tell everyone how your always right and how stupid everyone else is. Then of course because of your  ego and shitty attitude, you attack people. 

2) Your ego again gets in the way, you get irritated when people disagree with you and write small novels about how smart you are and see things other people dont. Then you show attitude and people push back on that. Then you go into name calling. Saying you are stalking is not name calling it is what you're doing , you tell the Forum to go f..k themselves, and come back everyday and dont give opinions. Name calling is calling you a spineless little bitch for acting like a jerk when you choose to come back when Jones fails to tell everyone how smart you are.  You act like you have never did anything wrong. When you decided to call me a pedophile for going to Thailand, people respecting you went out the window. I had several people DM me and said they should kick you off here for that, I said to just let it go, so you didnt get butthurt. 

3) You say how you dont know everything and then go on to tell people how wrong they are about having a different opinion. Im going to leave that as you are just a jerk instead of going into the mental illness aspect that shows. 

4) (You dont have a attitude when people disagree with you is the funniest thing you have ever said. 

As far as me, I thought Justin Fields could get better and as long as he was our QB, I wanted him to succeed. Your take on that, (Justin Field tantrums). You were always changing my words to your delusional  take on subjects when I disagreed with you.

As far as getting into it with Mongo, he got tired of your ( Im smarter than you because I am great at watching tape). It has always been about your ego and going to you attacking people. 

Now you are deciding if you will bless this forum by you coming back. I dont care about anything you say, its laughable how you expose yourself all the time. I dont care if you come back, it is not going to change what I do but you are not capable of being respectful to members because of your ego and attitude. 

Start giving your opinions again. It will last about two weeks before you start your delusional egoistical behavior. You cant help yourself, its a brain weakness you have. I have a friend that is a therapist and just showed her your posts and asked her opinion without telling her the whole story.  You do not want to know what she said.  

If you come back stop with the small novels every time someone disagrees with you. I quit reading after the third sentence because you just keep repeating yourself. 

[Mongo3451]

10 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Im not gonna go back and forth, but you were not just busting my balls, you called me a bitch, you said you were my coach and i was the student, you said you were offended at the idea that i could disagree with you about OL since you played, you figured you are the authority and I shouldnt have an opinion, but just defer.

If it's screw me, then thats on you. When you act like an arrogant bully wanna be, and I dont play along, thats on you.

Ask yourself, if someone came up to you, and said what you said, and called you a bitch, youd just laugh?

And also,mit was over a course of days, maybe weeks that you stayed with the "joke"

You should own what you did, but I truly dont need you to. I will just ask that you treat me respectfully in the future. That would be good enough. And if you cant do that, then that will show too.

You chose the latter.

[AZ54]

In football coaches often tell players to know when the play is over.  It’s the same with conversations.  

[Mongo3451]

44 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

In football coaches often tell players to know when the play is over.  It’s the same with conversations.  

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