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[Stinger226]

14 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

Look I cant help it if you dont make sense and dont even remember what you said a day earlier.

Youre the one calling out people for not being "optimistic" and saying that we need to form an opinion right now. That was you.

Also, one of the funniest things in this thread is in your previous post you said that you werent saying the roster was perfect while you simultaneously said that me calling that silly was disrespecting your opinion LOL

You have a long history of lecturing us all on how we need to love every current player and coach. From Leno and Fields to Eberflus and last years offensive line, you call anyone who says they arent good enough a hater or a pessimist. It's like we are insulting your family or something.

And as you stack up the losses, the times it turns out you were totally wrong over and over, you just keep going.

I said wed have 4 new starters on the OL this year, and you were all over me about that. You got all butthurt that I said Kmet is on the bubble.

If all you want is sunshine and rainbows, there are plenty of boards for that. The thing I really like about this board is that pretty much everyone is smart, and knows the rhythm of the NFL year, and what makes good football.

I've learned lots from a bunch of members here, recently and over the years.

And you are the one who omits qualifiers like "I think" and "probably" more than anyone. And Ive called you out on it, so you come back trying to find instances where I might have missed one. Youre a "right fighter" but your arguments are usually wrong. So that makes you annoying.

Anyway, it doesnt matter. You'll just have to deal with reality as it comes like the rest of us.

This is my opinion, so you can stop confusing my comments by injecting what you say I do.

I THINK WE HAVE ADDED GREAT COACHING, BUILT UP THE ROSTER AND HAVE A QB THAT TAKES OFF THIS YEAR UNDER BJs PLAY CALLING. I HAVE NEVER SAID SB, OR PERFECT ROSTER, ALL THE CRAP YOU SAY I DO.

I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT WE COULD HAVE A WINNING SEASON. (10 TO 12), I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TALENT AT RB, LT, AND DE TO GET US THRU THE SEASON. NOT CLAIMING DAYO OR BOOKER BECOMES  15 SACK GUYs. OZZY OR KIRAN IS PRO BOWL MATERIAL I DONT THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL PROS AT EVERY POSITION TO BE GOOD THIS YEAR.

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[ASHKUM BEAR]

4 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

 

Miss having #54, one of my all-time favorites.  Wish they brought home a trophy, but they started getting cute in the draft.  My opinion on that was Lovie took control, which he might not have, and the team got old.

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7 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Miss having #54, one of my all-time favorites.  Wish they brought home a trophy, but they started getting cute in the draft.  My opinion on that was Lovie took control, which he might not have, and the team got old.

I agree, when Lovie was to involved in roster building, it seemed to start falling off. Of course 10-6 was his falling off. He only had 3 losing seasons. 

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19 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

 

The closer we get to TC, the more it looks like Braxtons chances get smaller. 

This was why a few of us were hammering for a high pick LT.  He is coming off a bad leg injury, his contract is up after the season, and he was susceptible to stopping a bull rush which disrupted the QB. I was happy Poles said early in the offseason there would be competition brought in. 

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10 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

The closer we get to TC, the more it looks like Braxtons chances get smaller. 

This was why a few of us were hammering for a high pick LT.  He is coming off a bad leg injury, his contract is up after the season, and he was susceptible to stopping a bull rush which disrupted the QB. I was happy Poles said early in the offseason there would be competition brought in. 

If he doesnt start playing in TC, the competition will move in front of him.

[Mongo3451]

Has anyone heard if Braxton has been able to strength train his legs?

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3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Has anyone heard if Braxton has been able to strength train his legs?

found this but no details. If he's not ready to go as training camp starts, he wont be starting LT at the begining of the season.

Braxton Jones, the Chicago Bears' starting left tackle, is expected to be limited in training camp due to an ankle injury that required surgery after the 2024 season. While he's making progress in his recovery, he's unlikely to be at 100% when training camp begins, according to ProFootballRumors.com. The injury, a fractured ankle, occurred in a late-season game against the Detroit Lions. 

 

Details of the Injury and Recovery:

• Injury:

  Braxton Jones sustained a fractured ankle in a Week 16 game against the Detroit Lions, requiring surgery. 

   
• Recovery:

  The surgery occurred in December 2024, and while Jones is reportedly on track with his recovery, he's not expected to be fully recovered by the start of training camp, according to ESPN. 

   
• Training Camp Impact:

  The Bears' coaching staff anticipates Jones will be limited at the start of training camp, which could create an opportunity for other players to compete for the starting left tackle position. 

[BearFan PHX]

3 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Has anyone heard if Braxton has been able to strength train his legs?

right. he was already susceptible to bull rushes, and without an offseason to train, hes not gonna come back stronger than he was last year before the injury.

You kinda have to proceed on the idea that his time as a starter is over for us.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

3 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

right. he was already susceptible to bull rushes, and without an offseason to train, hes not gonna come back stronger than he was last year before the injury.

You kinda have to proceed on the idea that his time as a starter is over for us.

Best case scenario is we trade him for a 4th or more. He has to perform well to get a 3rd comp pick if we keep him all year. I think Poles bet against that being over the cap now for 2026

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52 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Best case scenario is we trade him for a 4th or more. He has to perform well to get a 3rd comp pick if we keep him all year. I think Poles bet against that being over the cap now for 2026

if we could get a 4th for him that would be amazing, especially considering he was drafted in the 5th

I also believe in Tremaine Edmund's athleticism, but he would save $15M on the cap if you cut or trade him next year. And Kmet is another $10M so you get $25M right there if you need it.

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If someone is not able to participate in TC, you really think someone is trading for him? I think not. I think they let him finish getting healthy and is the backup plan if Ozzy or Kiran cant handle the starting job. Say what you want about Braxton but a 3 yr vet with starting experience that was ranked 20th last year among all tackles is not a discard item at LT. He takes heat for all his weaknesses but no one mentions his run blocking ability and what got him to be ranked 20th among 142 Ts in the NFL. With Thuney next to him and a legitimate play caller, you can give him help to not be a noticable weakness on the starting 5. He is our floor, and we could do worst.

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Pundits keep trying to find something to talk about. Replace Santos? A better offense will produce more points in extra points. Over 50 is touch and go but I think more offense will put us in less long attempt FGs. Not yet.

 

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51 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Pundits keep trying to find something to talk about. Replace Santos? A better offense will produce more points in extra points. Over 50 is touch and go but I think more offense will put us in less long attempt FGs. Not yet.

 

and I am sure Johnson will go more on 4th downs than the previous Bears coaches, maybe not to the level of Campbell, but I am sure he will go more than Flus/Waldron/Getsy ever did.

[BearFan PHX]

4 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Say what you want about Braxton but a 3 yr vet with starting experience that was ranked 20th last year among all tackles

PFF is random. Braxton cant handle a bull rush and will give up sacks and pressures at key moments, because the DE will save the power moves for those moments.

If you think he's so great, then someone will trade for him. Can't have it both ways.

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1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

PFF is random. Braxton cant handle a bull rush and will give up sacks and pressures at key moments, because the DE will save the power moves for those moments.

If you think he's so great, then someone will trade for him. Can't have it both ways.

My thought is can the Bears afford him? Not tomorrow without mortgaging your future.  I think their decision was made in the offseason when they spent cap on Thuney, Dahlman, and Jackson and then drafting Trapilo. Ben Johnson wants his starting 5 set by week 3 in training camp.  Braxton will be lucky to play. 

No one hates Braxton, but some times you need to say good bye to good players and if you can get value out of it, even better. Kiran will be the swing OT which helps him develop and the Bears get a 4th for 2026. 

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2 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

PFF is random. Braxton cant handle a bull rush and will give up sacks and pressures at key moments, because the DE will save the power moves for those moments.

If you think he's so great, then someone will trade for him. Can't have it both ways.

You cant go a couple days without putting words in my mouth. I literally said he will not start at LT to begin the year but they wont be trading him because the other 2 LTs havent proven anything.  He is the floor, that is just common sense, not making him an all pro. 

Can  you direct message me on  what I am going to say tommorrow so I dont have to put any thought in it.

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1 hour ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

My thought is can the Bears afford him? Not tomorrow without mortgaging your future.  I think their decision was made in the offseason when they spent cap on Thuney, Dahlman, and Jackson and then drafting Trapilo. Ben Johnson wants his starting 5 set by week 3 in training camp.  Braxton will be lucky to play. 

No one hates Braxton, but some times you need to say good bye to good players and if you can get value out of it, even better. Kiran will be the swing OT which helps him develop and the Bears get a 4th for 2026. 

No way I think we are signing him to a contract after this year. IF Ozzy and Kiran can play , they will be our future. A average LT is what Braxton has brought us for 3 yrs. We want better, even if he balls out , I dont think we pay him 20+. That is why we have drafted 2 LTs the last two yrs. We will just run with the younger guys. We get to watch the competition in real time. If the new guys struggle , Braxton will see the starting job again, its all up in  the air. I hope he plays well that would improve our team, I want them all to play well.

[BearFan PHX]

13 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

No way I think we are signing him to a contract after this year. IF Ozzy and Kiran can play , they will be our future. A average LT is what Braxton has brought us for 3 yrs. We want better, even if he balls out , I dont think we pay him 20+. That is why we have drafted 2 LTs the last two yrs. We will just run with the younger guys. We get to watch the competition in real time. If the new guys struggle , Braxton will see the starting job again, its all up in  the air. I hope he plays well that would improve our team, I want them all to play well.

If you know youre not gonna keep him, wouldnt you want a trade if one was possible?

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22 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

If you know youre not gonna keep him, wouldnt you want a trade if one was possible?

The Bears need to make sure LT is productive this year, until we see two young players produce, they are not going to trade him. You would trade him and then both of the young Ts play poorer and thinks that's OKaY? He's not expensive and was only a 5th round pick, if he plays this year and they let him walk it wont be a big deal. 

[BearFan PHX]

53 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

The Bears need to make sure LT is productive this year, until we see two young players produce, they are not going to trade him. You would trade him and then both of the young Ts play poorer and thinks that's OKaY? He's not expensive and was only a 5th round pick, if he plays this year and they let him walk it wont be a big deal. 

I wouidnt trade him today, but after camp in pads, when the next trade window opens, at the end of camp, I think he will be trade bait, and if we cant find a partner, he might even get cut. They arent gonna keep all three, and if you know Braxton isnt your future, hes the odd man out.