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[ASHKUM BEAR]

53 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

The Bears need to make sure LT is productive this year, until we see two young players produce, they are not going to trade him. You would trade him and then both of the young Ts play poorer and thinks that's OKaY? He's not expensive and was only a 5th round pick, if he plays this year and they let him walk it wont be a big deal. 

I understand wanting to see it from the young guys first.  The Bears cannot trade Jones anyways until he is healthy. So he is here until he passes the physical.  If Trapilo looks good in camp, Poles will have a hard decision.

They could keep Braxton and let him walk after the season. They will get some compensation. 3rd round if he starts and plays well, less if he sits.  They could also trade him before the deadline and get a pick to bring in more talent that can help the Bears keep their cap lower in the future.  

Trapilo was the most pass protection ready OT available in the draft according to pundits. Johnson said good run blocking is a bonus for LTs, he wants LTs to be able to pass block well. This to me is all directed at Braxtons skill set.  It all comes down to TC and preseason. 

 

[Stinger226]

11 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I understand wanting to see it from the young guys first.  The Bears cannot trade Jones anyways until he is healthy. So he is here until he passes the physical.  If Trapilo looks good in camp, Poles will have a hard decision.

They could keep Braxton and let him walk after the season. They will get some compensation. 3rd round if he starts and plays well, less if he sits.  They could also trade him before the deadline and get a pick to bring in more talent that can help the Bears keep their cap lower in the future.  

Trapilo was the most pass protection ready OT available in the draft according to pundits. Johnson said good run blocking is a bonus for LTs, he wants LTs to be able to pass block well. This to me is all directed at Braxtons skill set.  It all comes down to TC and preseason. 

 

Those are all options , training camp will answer a lot of questions going forward. If we end up keeping Jones on the roster (depth and injury protection if he doesnt start) he still has value. If another team signs him for 20+ we will get a comp pick either in round 3 or 4, I dont think it matters if he starts or not, its what he gets paid. 

[Mongo3451]

3 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

Those are all options , training camp will answer a lot of questions going forward. If we end up keeping Jones on the roster (depth and injury protection if he doesnt start) he still has value. If another team signs him for 20+ we will get a comp pick either in round 3 or 4, I dont think it matters if he starts or not, its what he gets paid. 

He definitely has value.  26 year old starting left tackles don't grow on trees.

[Stinger226]

 

[Stinger226]

I threw up in my mouth. Have no idea who this guy is.

 

[BearFan PHX]

You dont know who Colin Cowherd is? Not saying his takes are right, but hes pretty well known?

[Stinger226]

7 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

You dont know who Colin Cowherd is? Not saying his takes are right, but hes pretty well known?

The other guy, Cowherd does his show out of Chicago

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

The other guy, Cowherd does his show out of Chicago

ah OK! That makes more sense!

[Stinger226]

 

[Stinger226]

I agree with most comments he makes in the video, its 20 minutes long

 

[Stinger226]

These two make some good points about RB and getting rid of Sanborn.

 

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[adam]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

 

11-6 is fair. I think there is a big variance because there are still a lot of unknowns with how the combination of things will work. We know Ben Johnson is a great play caller, and we can see how that impacts other teams with comparable play callers (Reid, McVay, Shanahan, LaFleur, etc). A good coach who is a great play caller almost gives every team a floor of 7 to 8 wins just by default.

I think the Bears basement is 7 to 8 wins. That is if nothing goes right. RB and Edge are issues, LT never gets resolved, and Caleb doesn't take the next step.

I think the median is 9-11 wins, the more things go right, the more wins.

 

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, adam said:

11-6 is fair. I think there is a big variance because there are still a lot of unknowns with how the combination of things will work. We know Ben Johnson is a great play caller, and we can see how that impacts other teams with comparable play callers (Reid, McVay, Shanahan, LaFleur, etc). A good coach who is a great play caller almost gives every team a floor of 7 to 8 wins just by default.

I think the Bears basement is 7 to 8 wins. That is if nothing goes right. RB and Edge are issues, LT never gets resolved, and Caleb doesn't take the next step.

I think the median is 9-11 wins, the more things go right, the more wins.

 

yes 8-11 wins is the reasonable expectation, and no one can say they wont win more, or collapse. i dont expect them to collapse, but a lot of teams that looked good on paper didnt actually perform on the field. Like Redskin and Raiders teams of the 80s and 90s or a lot of Yankee trams over the years.

That doesnt mean there is any reason to predict failure either. Just that we dont know the chemistry of this team yet at all. Lots of reasons for optimism tho! And who can say who this team will be in December if it all comes together too.

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

yes 8-11 wins is the reasonable expectation, and no one can say they wont win more, or collapse. i dont expect them to collapse, but a lot of teams that looked good on paper didnt actually perform on the field. Like Redskin and Raiders teams of the 80s and 90s or a lot of Yankee trams over the years.

That doesnt mean there is any reason to predict failure either. Just that we dont know the chemistry of this team yet at all. Lots of reasons for optimism tho! And who can say who this team will be in December if it all comes together too.

This team has good team character.  Even with Flus, they played hard until he list the team.  Your mention of chemistry is key.  My belief is that it will develop quickly, due to the new staff being quite the opposite.  I expect extreme effort in camp.  Some guys might get hurt feelings, but wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air.  

[BearFan PHX]

40 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

This team has good team character.  Even with Flus, they played hard until he list the team.  Your mention of chemistry is key.  My belief is that it will develop quickly, due to the new staff being quite the opposite.  I expect extreme effort in camp.  Some guys might get hurt feelings, but wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air.  

if I had to bet, Id say the same. I am very optimistic about this season, and this team going forward.

But logically, I'm just waiting to see it on grass under live fire, and then ill start talking about whats working and what needs help. I'm really looking forward to that.

[Mongo3451]

24 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

But logically, I'm just waiting to see it on grass under live fire, and then ill start talking about whats working and what needs help. I'm really looking forward to that.

Same.  I think the most important jump needs to be with the pass rush, because I'm 100% convinced the OL is going to be a strength.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

Same.  I think the most important jump needs to be with the pass rush, because I'm 100% convinced the OL is going to be a strength.

I am still concerned about LT, but Trapilo is a physical specimen, he seems to be more ready for LT than his college experience would indicate, hes very steady, i wanna see him against NFL rushers. I think he has the potential to be a real stud, but I need to see it. Maybe on grass, Amagadje will show us hes the man instead?

My bet is in Trapilo, but it's all talk right now.

I worry about pass rush too. Im feeling pretty good about how the DT rotation looks right now, but i worry about the production from the DEs.

One of the things Ive learned here was that DA likes bigger DEs, so maybe he doesnt expect the same % of pressure to come from the DEs as we do in most schemes. I also see Dayo is going to Von Miller's pass rush camp. Miller is still available as a free agent too for limited snaps at critical moments...

[Mongo3451]

46 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

I am still concerned about LT, but Trapilo is a physical specimen, he seems to be more ready for LT than his college experience would indicate, hes very steady, i wanna see him against NFL rushers. I think he has the potential to be a real stud, but I need to see it. Maybe on grass, Amagadje will show us hes the man instead?

My bet is in Trapilo, but it's all talk right now.

I worry about pass rush too. Im feeling pretty good about how the DT rotation looks right now, but i worry about the production from the DEs.

One of the things Ive learned here was that DA likes bigger DEs, so maybe he doesnt expect the same % of pressure to come from the DEs as we do in most schemes. I also see Dayo is going to Von Miller's pass rush camp. Miller is still available as a free agent too for limited snaps at critical moments...

If Braxton Jones is the floor, the OL is in good shape.  No to Von Miller for me.

[BearFan PHX]

2 hours ago, Mongo3451 said:

If Braxton Jones is the floor, the OL is in good shape.  No to Von Miller for me.

fair on Von, I just mentioned it because Dayo is working with him.

I think Braxton got unmasked last year,a nd the league has a bull rush book on him now. especially coming back from an ankle.

I think we need Trapilo or Amagadje to be clearly superior to Braxton, and then we will be in good shape!

[Mongo3451]

31 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

fair on Von, I just mentioned it because Dayo is working with him.

I think Braxton got unmasked last year,a nd the league has a bull rush book on him now. especially coming back from an ankle.

I think we need Trapilo or Amagadje to be clearly superior to Braxton, and then we will be in good shape!

When your second best OL becomes your fifth best, that's a damn good thing in the NFL.  Every team would love to have that problem. (On paper)

[BearFan PHX]

12 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

When your second best OL becomes your fifth best, that's a damn good thing in the NFL.  Every team would love to have that problem. (On paper)

oh yeah, on paper we are looking good! no dobut. on paper Trapilo is a giant stud wh moves people in the run game, and swallows up speed rushers with width. he's got 33" arms, but he has a wide stance and moves laterally really well.

One thing that poles said about his film, which I've also found watching him since we drafted him, is that his film is boring. And it really is. Every snap looks the same. It looks easy and theres no real choas to it. He looks less like he's fighting defenders and more like he's couples ice skating. He just moves and absorbs them calmly.

If he can make it still look like that in the NFL, hes gonna be a monster. I expect it wont be so easy though, so I'm interested to see how he stacks up.